shaylude

Ok, i have the 1pc. blackedout headlights in my 4th gen. just like everyone else on this forum so i should be able to get some awnser pretty quickly.

Ok im not sure what bulb they take.
I've seen something like a H4 bulb or something.
my driver side headlight has been out for quit some time now.

but really what im interested in is the HID conversion for the headlights.

how does it work?
how much it cost?
how do you install it?
where can i find one on the internet?

El_Arsonista

Ok. All I know is that 4th gen headlights use base 9006 bulbs. So if you're looking for a plug and play HID kit, then buy 9006.

I don't know what the "blacked out" 1 piece headlights look like, so please specify whether they come with projectors or reflectors.

As far as your questions:

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H..._lamp

You need 2 ballasts (to regulate the current going through the capsules), 2 capsules (aka bulbs) and wiring harnesses to plug them in.


2. For cheap, unreliable HID kits, it'd say about $200. For OEM quality, I'd say about $500.


3. You'll have to buy a plug and play kit. That's the easiest way to install it. Search for some threads about users with 4th gens installing HIDs in them because I don't know whether you might have to change fuses or use special wiring.

4. Ebay for cheap stuff (you might find some OEM too, like search for "Philips Ballasts"), or you can try sites like http://www.xenondepot.com or simply google them.

I'd suggest you go with OEM stuff. Cheap material ends up being expensive when it fries up.

The Phil

#3 is the stupid, annoying way to go about it, don't listen to it.

Do it right or don't do it at all.

MilanoLude

He's talking about the black JDM one piece headlights, I have never referred to them as "blacked out" before though.

The bulbs for those headlights are H4 low beam and H1 high beams.

If you want to buy a HID kit then get an H4 kit, but I would suggest retrofitting real HID projectors as they are better quality if done correctly.

El_Arsonista

Oh ok. For some reason I thought he was talking about those blacked out 4th gen headlights with projectors in them.

In that case, you need an H4 6000k plug and play kit, and make sure your lights are aimed low, or you will blind other drivers.

esedulerp5tenin

H4 are low beams for JDMs

my brother got me a 6K HID kit for x-mas this year, i forget what brand, but it was literally plug and play. almost as easy as installing new bulbs
i've been driving with them unaimed for 4 months w/o getting flashed once

lemme know if you want some pics

The Phil

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by El_Arsonista &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh ok. For some reason I thought he was talking about those blacked out 4th gen headlights with projectors in them.

In that case, you need an H4 6000k plug and play kit, and make sure your lights are aimed low, or you will blind other drivers.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wrong.

If you want to not be a moron, do a proper retrofit, none of this plug and play garbage.

shaylude

so its h4 for low beam, h1 for high beam?

well right now i dont have the money but i was thinking about just ordering a set of h4's and h1's from P:JDM.com but like 80$ for the "super white" ones..

might get yellow ones for low and the white ones for high

El_Arsonista

Buy low beams only. Once you have HIDs, there's no need for you to use high beams.

spin_r_g

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by El_Arsonista &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Buy low beams only. Once you have HIDs, there's no need for you to use high beams. </TD></TR></TABLE>

This is completely untrue. Even with HIDs you will still have the need for high beams. Why do you think the cars with OEM hids still have high beams? Just for kicks and giggles? Why don't the manufactures just not bother to put them in, cause the hids are so bright?
Most H4 pnp hid kits come with a small halogen bulb next the d2s bulb anyways.
You're being fooled by pnp kits that you don't need a high beam because of all the glare being put out.

I have retrofited hids in my jdm housings and YES I do need high beams.
Above the cut off theres no light. Where do I have my highbeams set? Above the cut off.

El_Arsonista

What I meant to say is that there is no need to have HIDs in high beams when you have them installed in the low beams.

rawNArsxS

nice cover

spin_r_g

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by El_Arsonista &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What I meant to say is that there is no need to have HIDs in high beams when you have them installed in the low beams.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ever hear of bi-xenons?

94Vtecluder

Believe it or not HID kits look perfectly fine in 4th gens without retrofits....

rawNArsxS

i dont have a retrofit in mine n theyre fine...although i do wanna do a retrofit though

El_Arsonista

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spin_r_g &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ever hear of bi-xenons?</TD></TR></TABLE>


Yes I have. Their only purpose is to enable flashing, which is also the same reason why cars with OEM HIDs are fitted with high beam halogens. That said, when I said that it's useless to USE high beams when you have HIDs installed, it's because HIDs have a stronger and deeper light output than any other automotive halogen.

You mentioned that you want to have light above your cut-off? That's called glare. Unless you want to go off-roading or something, having any kind of light above your cutoff means blinding other drivers.

I have a retrofit and I NEVER use my high beams, except when I need to flash my lights at other drivers.

prelude1897

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Wrong.

If you want to not be a moron, do a proper retrofit, none of this plug and play garbage.</TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL, so true if you want a great light output. Yea, PnP kits may look fine in 4th Gen. lights, but if you had a retrofit done, the lighting would be even better and wider

petern101

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Yes I have. Their only purpose is to enable flashing, which is also the same reason why cars with OEM HIDs are fitted with high beam halogens. That said, when I said that it's useless to USE high beams when you have HIDs installed, it's because HIDs have a stronger and deeper light output than any other automotive halogen.

You mentioned that you want to have light above your cut-off? That's called glare. Unless you want to go off-roading or something, having any kind of light above your cutoff means blinding other drivers.

I have a retrofit and I NEVER use my high beams, except when I need to flash my lights at other drivers. </TD></TR></TABLE>

are you freaking serious? you are equating it to like having a huge tank w/o a 50 cal on top. thats because the main gun is so nice and big and can destroy so much.....

but what about those little ppl with grenades???? so yeah you are wrong.

glare is something that happens if you don't adjust your headlights properly. high beams are meant to shoot above the regular low beams to light up stuff where you can't see (but obviously not in ppl's faces)

P13_mein

actually, the H1 were originally city lights
and the H4 a dual purpose bulb.
if u wire them straight to your harness the h1 will become your brights
and the h4 are your dips.
and HID's do look good in the 1 pieces
if they're not the stanley ones
the aftermarket ones usually accomadate a 9006 tho

petern101

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by P13_mein &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">actually, the H1 were originally city lights
and the H4 a dual purpose bulb.
if u wire them straight to your harness the h1 will become your brights
and the h4 are your dips.
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well thats what most use them for now. but in the 4th gen prelude it was never wired that way. i ahve a jdm front clip, i know. its wired just like how the usdm lights are (highs/lows) no daytime running lights

the jdm harness does not accomodate a h4 with low / high prongs

El_Arsonista

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by petern101 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are you freaking serious? you are equating it to like having a huge tank w/o a 50 cal on top. thats because the main gun is so nice and big and can destroy so much.....

but what about those little ppl with grenades???? so yeah you are wrong.

glare is something that happens if you don't adjust your headlights properly. high beams are meant to shoot above the regular low beams to light up stuff where you can't see (but obviously not in ppl's faces)</TD></TR></TABLE>

The dictionary defines glare as an intense, blinding light. High beams (as well as improperly aligned/installed HIDs) cause glare, point blank. So I don't know what you're trying to debate.

For most of us who drive around cities, high beams are barely ever needed, so why the heck would he buy HIDs for high beams? You'll always get a better light output with low beam HIDs, especially if we're talking about a retrofit.

The only thing I find high beams useful for are flashing. You can't flash HID capsules, so if you ever need to flash the lights at someone for communication purposes, you can use your high beams.

petern101

wow YOU still don't get it.

if you ever saw the beam pattern of a proper retrofit it will still just point down. the area under this beam pattern will be brighter but sometimes you need to see further or see stuff above your normal beam pattern.

i live in the city, i still use mine. esp since my neighborhood is relatively dark and using the brights just helps you see further.

and who the hell is buying HIDs for high beams? you are the one who said don't buy bulbs for high beams. i was stating why you still need them.

preludefien

h4 are low. h1 are high beams. i have the black housing with the 8000k HID kit. its plug and play. and i got mines of ebay for 130 from the company nissanpower. and im pretty staisfied.

94Vtecluder

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by petern101 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are you freaking serious? you are equating it to like having a huge tank w/o a 50 cal on top. thats because the main gun is so nice and big and can destroy so much.....

but what about those little ppl with grenades???? so yeah you are wrong.

glare is something that happens if you don't adjust your headlights properly. [b]high beams are meant to shoot above the regular low beams to light up stuff where you can't see (but obviously not in ppl's faces)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually the major diff other than the bulb is one is refracted light and the other is direct light with reflection.

spin_r_g

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Actually the major diff other than the bulb is one is refracted light and the other is direct light with reflection.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Right so high beams aren't glare it's direct light. It's light that has an intended purpose which is to be projected above the low beam pattern. GLARE FROM HIDs is refracted unwanted stray light that is which blinds on coming traffic.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by El_Arsonista &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The dictionary defines glare as an intense, blinding light. High beams (as well as improperly aligned/installed HIDs) cause glare, point blank. So I don't know what you're trying to debate.
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He's trying to debate the difference between useful intended light (high beams) versus unwanted stay blinding glare from pnp hids.
According to your dictionary definition All types of bright lights including normal headlights = glare.
Improperly installed hids aligned incorrectly? It's a freaking pnp kit. You stick the bulb in the socket and its done. The only reason why you need to aim them down is to avoid glare in the first place. What's really happening is you're trying yo adjust for the problem hid pnp kits cause. If you were to align headlights to oem spec then stick a hid pnp kit in there they are still aligned correctly. There's just too much stray light that you need to aim them down which makes the headlights aimed incorrectly.