bayoufrogg

might be a little confusing, but here goes:

I just finished relocating battery in my trunk and tried to start the car(no probs with terminals). When I try to turn it over, I just hear a click, but the starter isnt engaging or spinning. I went to check the connections on the starter and when I wiggled the power connection it just cracked off. Needless to say, now I need a new starter, but I dont want to put a new one in if the way I wired it up is wrong.

Main question here: Is the little black/white wire on the starter the ground and does the starter spin/engage with the ground completing the circuit when turning ignition switch? I wired everything up by looking at the stock harness and it seemed like the starter power wire and 12v(battery) wire were on the same wire. I ran my 12v+ wire AND starter power wire to the same terminal on the fusebox, and now since my starter shorted out Im wondering if that is right. This would mean the starter has contiuous power, and when the key is turned, the ground to the starter is activated and the circuit is completed. Is this how they work?

Hawkze_2.3

I don't know all the details, but the starter should have constant power. I have mine connected directly to the battery positive.

bayoufrogg

well, at least i got that part right. just need to know if the black/white small wire is ground. (i.e. can i use jumpers and a battery to test starter by putting ground cable where that black/white wire is?)

i read some of the archived posts and it said something about making sure the ground wire to transmission is good. If anyone can tell me where that ground is located that would be great. Thanks.

Hawkze_2.3

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i read some of the archived posts and it said something about making sure the ground wire to transmission is good. If anyone can tell me where that ground is located that would be great. Thanks.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That ground is on the front of the tranny towards the bottom and has it's own little bracket.

fastludeh22

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bayoufrogg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, at least i got that part right. just need to know if the black/white small wire is ground. (i.e. can i use jumpers and a battery to test starter by putting ground cable where that black/white wire is?) ...

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NOOOO, dont ground that wire!!!!!!!!!!! the starter is grounded by being bolted tot he engine/tranny. that little wire on the starter is 12v signal wire. it tells the starter to start, lol. the big constant wire is where it pulls its act power from

fastludeh22

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also if ur going to test the starter like that. the test bat must be grounded to the fram or engine, and the 12 v from the test bat must go to both terms on the starter.

you can just test the starter using the bat in there already by jumping the constant 12v on it to the little wire on it.

how did u put the bat in the trunk? what gage wire did u run the postive to the fron with? how did u do the ground? it will need to be thick to the frame. i used 0 gage. then make sure u have good ground to tranny, and a few extrat good grounds to the engine, i grounded the starter with 8 gage wire itself

bayoufrogg

If the black/white wire is signal and the ground is made when bolted to tranny, then I have everything wired right.

I have 2 gauge power wire ran to front and a 16 inch piece of 4 gauge from the battery ground in trunk to frame. I have good power inside car(i.e. blower motor and radio will run indefinately). Its wierd b/c it was a newly bought REMAN. and worked before the relocation. Like I said though, now I have to go buy a new one either way b/c the 12+ terminal on the starter cracked.

Fastlude....whyd you run 8 guage ground to the starter if it alrady has a good ground on the tranny?


Modified by bayoufrogg at 12:54 PM 10/19/2006

fastludeh22

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bayoufrogg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If the black/white wire is signal and the ground is made when bolted to tranny, then I have everything wired right.

I have 2 gauge power wire ran to front and a 16 inch piece of 4 gauge from the battery ground in trunk to frame. I have good power inside car(i.e. blower motor and radio will run indefinately). Its wierd b/c it was a newly bought REMAN. and worked before the relocation. Like I said though, now I have to go buy a new one either way b/c the 12+ terminal on the starter cracked.

Fastlude....whyd you run 8 guage ground to the starter if it alrady has a good ground on the tranny?


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i ran it cause the starter pulls alot of power when cranking. i also have an 8 gage ground to the thurmo housing, and to the valve cover. before i added the last 2 my temp gage was reading hot, and when the car was hot it was hard to start.

i think your prob is you ground from the bat to frame isnt big enough, or you dont have enough going from the frame to the engine, or both...

GraphiteMW

Any tutorials on reloacting the battery to your trunk. I want to do this.

shutta

Your positive terminal shoudl have 2 wires leaving it, one going to the fuse box, and one going to you starter. I don't understand what broke on yoru starter because there is just a threaded post coming off the starter and the crimp on connector that shoudl be connecting to teh starter slides over the post and then a nut tightens it. unless your broke the threaded post off the starter, I have no idea what broke. I have a starter from a 4th gen laying around fully functional, not sure hwo much they cost at an auto parts store..

as for the ground wires from the negative battery post. one shoudl be going to the chassis and one goes to the front of the transmission. if you look straight down from where your battery used to sit (if you removed the battery bracket) you shoudl see the ground on the transmission. wait a sec, if you already relocated yoru battery why don't you know where that is?...

EDIT: damn, 1000 posts, I need to find something else to do.. away from the computer..

prelude_h22vtec

i ran a wire straight to the starter, and the wire from the fuse box to the same wire at the starter terminal. its been working great for me

bayoufrogg

The whole "terminal/post" on the starter solenoid(where the 12v+ hot goes to) broke off. Im guessing Ill just have to replace the starter solenoid.......if I can find one.

About the wiring, I have a 4 gauge ground to the trunk. Ill be replacing it after I get the starter solenoid with 1 gauge wire to rule out a small ground problem. I know where the transmission ground bracket is, but do I need to run a ground to it? I though as long as I grounded the battery in the trunk that I was okay. If I need to run a ground to the transmission bracket from my battery ground all the way in the trunk that is going to suck.

Hawkze_2.3

Dude...the battery is connected to the frame, so anything you ground to the frame is essentially connected to the battery. Put a ground on your tranny.

fastludeh22

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that right there is his problem

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i think your prob is you ground from the bat to frame isnt big enough, or you dont have enough going from the frame to the engine, or both...</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats why you car just clicked and didnt start, it didnt have enough power without the transmission ground. you run from the transmission to the frame, try that first and i bet ur car starts. i suggest adding a gound or 2 though...

bayoufrogg

thanks guys.....ill run a ground from my tranny to the frame once I find a new starter solenoid and see how that works.

fastludeh22

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bayoufrogg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks guys.....ill run a ground from my tranny to the frame once I find a new starter solenoid and see how that works. </TD></TR></TABLE>

so what fixed it?