Hmm! I Wonder... ;)
11-20-2007, 07:16 AM
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Re: Hmm! I Wonder... ;) (PirateMcFred)
I remember a guy got flamed on a previous thread for wanting to do this... I have no idea why, the K20 is simply an amazing motor 
Would be a beast in the lude..But it is pricey
Would be a beast in the lude..But it is pricey
11-20-2007, 08:40 AM
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Re: Hmm! I Wonder... ;) (PirateMcFred)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PirateMcFred »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
They were flamed for thinking about putting an H23 head on a K20 block? If an H23 head will "go" on a K20 block then it'll "go" on a K24 block too.
C'mon man looking for proof of concept here.
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Nah he's talking about doing a custom k20 swap for a Prelude.
Anyone that does a k24 swap should be doing it for the transmission and VTC. Everything else is duplicable with an h22 and you don't have to buy a swap kit and a $1000 ecu to do it. If you're building a race engine, screw both of those anyways. (Hint hint: you can modify 99mm k24 cranks for use in H/F blocks)
My take: 6spd = cool. Everything else = Unnecessary $
They were flamed for thinking about putting an H23 head on a K20 block? If an H23 head will "go" on a K20 block then it'll "go" on a K24 block too.
C'mon man looking for proof of concept here.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Nah he's talking about doing a custom k20 swap for a Prelude.
Anyone that does a k24 swap should be doing it for the transmission and VTC. Everything else is duplicable with an h22 and you don't have to buy a swap kit and a $1000 ecu to do it. If you're building a race engine, screw both of those anyways. (Hint hint: you can modify 99mm k24 cranks for use in H/F blocks)
My take: 6spd = cool. Everything else = Unnecessary $
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11-20-2007, 09:43 AM
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Re: Hmm! I Wonder... ;) (98vtec)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98vtec »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so would you be looking to use Kpro to operate the VTC?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah unless you go MoTeC lol.
Yeah unless you go MoTeC lol.
11-20-2007, 11:08 AM
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Re: Hmm! I Wonder... ;) (PirateMcFred)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PirateMcFred »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah I have a Kpro ECU right now as much as I hate them right now. Why not use it for the VTC?</TD></TR></TABLE>
He's just noticing how you only have that one option I believe. MoTeC is the only other widespread system I know of that can control VTC.
He's just noticing how you only have that one option I believe. MoTeC is the only other widespread system I know of that can control VTC.
11-20-2007, 06:21 PM
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Re: Hmm! I Wonder... ;) (mgags7)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mgags7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Nah he's talking about doing a custom k20 swap for a Prelude.
Anyone that does a k24 swap should be doing it for the transmission and VTC. Everything else is duplicable with an h22 and you don't have to buy a swap kit and a $1000 ecu to do it. If you're building a race engine, screw both of those anyways. (Hint hint: you can modify 99mm k24 cranks for use in H/F blocks)
My take: 6spd = cool. Everything else = Unnecessary $</TD></TR></TABLE>
NOT TRUE
it's more than worth it, if you cant afford it then that's your own problem but everything on the k series engine and trannys are far superior that the h PERIOD
why do you keep bashing the swap?
Nah he's talking about doing a custom k20 swap for a Prelude.
Anyone that does a k24 swap should be doing it for the transmission and VTC. Everything else is duplicable with an h22 and you don't have to buy a swap kit and a $1000 ecu to do it. If you're building a race engine, screw both of those anyways. (Hint hint: you can modify 99mm k24 cranks for use in H/F blocks)
My take: 6spd = cool. Everything else = Unnecessary $</TD></TR></TABLE>
NOT TRUE
it's more than worth it, if you cant afford it then that's your own problem but everything on the k series engine and trannys are far superior that the h PERIOD
why do you keep bashing the swap?
11-20-2007, 06:26 PM
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Re: Hmm! I Wonder... ;) (I smell secretions)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I smell secretions »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
NOT TRUE
it's more than worth it, if you cant afford it then that's your own problem but everything on the k series engine and trannys are far superior that the h PERIOD
why do you keep bashing the swap?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Like I said, transmission and VTC. There are other small differences that make the K series a better engine. But, I'd like you to explain them to me in your own words first since you know so much.
NOT TRUE
it's more than worth it, if you cant afford it then that's your own problem but everything on the k series engine and trannys are far superior that the h PERIOD
why do you keep bashing the swap?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Like I said, transmission and VTC. There are other small differences that make the K series a better engine. But, I'd like you to explain them to me in your own words first since you know so much.
11-20-2007, 06:41 PM
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Re: Hmm! I Wonder... ;) (mgags7)
honda makes great engines
k series is the new wave of the future and rightfully so.
stop hating and posting negitive shi# about putting a k in this platform.
cb5 or 4th/5th gen ludes + k series>h series
budjet then H>k but that would be the ONLY reason
11-20-2007, 06:45 PM
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Re: Hmm! I Wonder... ;) (I smell secretions)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I smell secretions »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
honda makes great engines
k series is the new wave of the future and rightfully so.
stop hating and posting negitive shi# about putting a k in this platform.
cb5 or 4th/5th gen ludes + k series>h series
budjet then H>k but that would be the ONLY reason
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Tell me why the K is better, why it is the wave of the future, etc.
I agree that for bolt ons and mostly OEM combos that the K is a way better platform, and a bolt on 280whp engine with a 6spd for the street would be awesome, and you can do that with a K.
I said, I wouldn't do this swap if I was building a race engine in the first place. In that respect, most of the advantages the K has from the factory can be made up for.
You still can't beat the fact that brand new k parts from Honda are much cheaper than H parts, some almost cheaper than used H parts.
honda makes great engines
k series is the new wave of the future and rightfully so.
stop hating and posting negitive shi# about putting a k in this platform.
cb5 or 4th/5th gen ludes + k series>h series
budjet then H>k but that would be the ONLY reason
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Tell me why the K is better, why it is the wave of the future, etc.
I agree that for bolt ons and mostly OEM combos that the K is a way better platform, and a bolt on 280whp engine with a 6spd for the street would be awesome, and you can do that with a K.
I said, I wouldn't do this swap if I was building a race engine in the first place. In that respect, most of the advantages the K has from the factory can be made up for.
You still can't beat the fact that brand new k parts from Honda are much cheaper than H parts, some almost cheaper than used H parts.
11-20-2007, 06:56 PM
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Re: Hmm! I Wonder... ;) (mgags7)
I am sorry for entering a pissing contest, not my intention or the purpose of this thread.
i would love to see the outcome of all of these k series project's. I wish i could get a 280whp from just bolt on's on a h series. even a full blown race h with pump gas couldn't make the numbers a stock bolt on k24 engine can.
what would be the purpose of this build pirate?
i would love to see the outcome of all of these k series project's. I wish i could get a 280whp from just bolt on's on a h series. even a full blown race h with pump gas couldn't make the numbers a stock bolt on k24 engine can.
what would be the purpose of this build pirate?
11-20-2007, 07:00 PM
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Re: Hmm! I Wonder... ;) (I smell secretions)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I smell secretions »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">even a full blown race h with pump gas couldn't make the numbers a stock bolt on k24 engine can.</TD></TR></TABLE>
wrong.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I smell secretions »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what would be the purpose of this build pirate?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Pirate is a herra non-vtec hoar.
wrong.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I smell secretions »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what would be the purpose of this build pirate?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Pirate is a herra non-vtec hoar.
11-20-2007, 07:05 PM
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Re: Hmm! I Wonder... ;) (mgags7)
maybe be. i haven't seen a 280 dynapack whp h22 with pump 93oct gas but i wont say your wrong.
pirate seems to do well without that pesky 3rd lobe.
pirate seems to do well without that pesky 3rd lobe.
11-21-2007, 02:35 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dumkopf »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">n00b question:WTF is VTC?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Variable Timing Control
K series engines have a cam gear setup that allows you to adjust the timing from the computer, thus allowing you to tune the perfect amount of cam overlap at all rpm, on h22s you'd use an adjustable cam gear for this, but it would only be set to work well in one rpm range. This adjustability can give a lot of extra power.
Variable Timing Control
K series engines have a cam gear setup that allows you to adjust the timing from the computer, thus allowing you to tune the perfect amount of cam overlap at all rpm, on h22s you'd use an adjustable cam gear for this, but it would only be set to work well in one rpm range. This adjustability can give a lot of extra power.
11-21-2007, 04:00 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ImPuLsIvE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">k20 - needs more torque</TD></TR></TABLE>
k24 ring a bell?
k24 ring a bell?
11-21-2007, 04:39 AM
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Re: Hmm! I Wonder... ;) (PirateMcFred)
Pirate, there are definitely benefits. Lighter, cheaper parts. More options, etc. I conceded that it is definitely a better platform for the average person, you can more reliably make more power with the K, and easier.
If you were looking to build a race engine, you're right, but if you had to build a Honda, I'd still go with the H. Roller rockers limit the amount of lift you can use and the narrower rods/journals are also a factor, though that could be modified. I've also heard that k transmissions are a little on the weak side, and more prone to failure with big torque going through them.
Don't get me wrong, I can't wait to see this either. I just like to show how there are two sides to every story. I'd love to build a k24 hybrid 99x90 and 350+ cfm, throw some choppy *** cams in it mmmm.
If you were looking to build a race engine, you're right, but if you had to build a Honda, I'd still go with the H. Roller rockers limit the amount of lift you can use and the narrower rods/journals are also a factor, though that could be modified. I've also heard that k transmissions are a little on the weak side, and more prone to failure with big torque going through them.
Don't get me wrong, I can't wait to see this either. I just like to show how there are two sides to every story. I'd love to build a k24 hybrid 99x90 and 350+ cfm, throw some choppy *** cams in it mmmm.
11-21-2007, 07:10 AM
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K series use cables for shifting right? That shouldn't be all that tough to do.
A custom header/exhaust for this is going to probably cost just as much as most people pay for custom regular style headers and the welding to fit.
If I was still into dropping $$ down the Prelude's throat I'd be on the top of this list....
A custom header/exhaust for this is going to probably cost just as much as most people pay for custom regular style headers and the welding to fit.
If I was still into dropping $$ down the Prelude's throat I'd be on the top of this list....
11-21-2007, 07:25 AM
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Re: Hmm! I Wonder... ;) (vinuneuro)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vinuneuro »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hasport has K-series mounts for the Accord, how different would the Prelude fitment be?</TD></TR></TABLE>
3 out of 4 would fit. Mounting locations are identical except for the driver side.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PirateMcFred »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My guess is custom (or hybrid) axles, shift linkages, exhaust and wiring are more of a concern. Anyone with a stick welder, bandsaw and a drill press can make some mounts. Might not be pretty but mounts are easy.
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Those parts from the Hasport k-series accord swap should work due to the similarity in dimension and position of drivetrain parts from the 5th gen accord and prelude.
I think this is a great project. I would do it just for the 6-speed tranny. Of course, you can get an xtrac 6-speed for an h22, but that costs $1000's. This is definitely more cost effective.
3 out of 4 would fit. Mounting locations are identical except for the driver side.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PirateMcFred »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My guess is custom (or hybrid) axles, shift linkages, exhaust and wiring are more of a concern. Anyone with a stick welder, bandsaw and a drill press can make some mounts. Might not be pretty but mounts are easy.
Pirate</TD></TR></TABLE>
Those parts from the Hasport k-series accord swap should work due to the similarity in dimension and position of drivetrain parts from the 5th gen accord and prelude.
I think this is a great project. I would do it just for the 6-speed tranny. Of course, you can get an xtrac 6-speed for an h22, but that costs $1000's. This is definitely more cost effective.