ZXRider

So today I did a compression check and got ~210 in cylinders 1,2, and 4. Cylinder 3 is another story.

The compression in cylinder 3 was 90. My friend added some oil and the compression did not go higher. We did a leak down test and it appears that I have a bent valve. I was wondering would it be a better decision to change the whole cylinder head with a good condition used head or just get new valves?

Hawkze_2.3

Just get it rebuilt at a good machine shop

darkspector2.0

just get some cams.... LoL, and change out your valves, springs, and retainers.

ZXRider

How much would getting it rebuilt run for approximately? For that would I just need to buy a new set of valves and have the shop install them?

Hawkze_2.3

Quoted from another recent thread :

'A while back I had bent all of my valves and a local machine shop replaced all the valves with new ones, rebuilt the head, decked the head, cleaned it, and got me an entire gasket set and assembly lube for about $600. I did remove & replace the head myself though. '

ZXRider

Crap that's pretty expensive. I'm a college student and well damn that's alot of money for me. That's twice as much as I was hoping for. I'll probably have to end up and use a used cylinder head that has no damages to the valves

darkspector2.0

then you might want to do all the work yourself... will save you TONS of money

ZXRider

Well im planning on taking off the head myself. I was considering to have a machine shop install new valves in my cylinder head but if it's going to cost that much I rather just buy a set of used head and slap that on. I'm not looking for anything fancy, I just want to get the car in a good shape so I can go to school and finish school.

ZXRider

Anyone else has anything else to share about this?

binqker

best thing you can do.. is what people have said.. REBUILD and take it to a machine shop.. then everything will be good, like fresh and new. if you aint got the money.. i suggest you find someone who could do it for cheap without having to machine the cylinder... heck i could do it for you, pretty simple. but hardlabor.

Hawkze_2.3

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZXRider &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anyone else has anything else to share about this? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Try it yourself if you think you're up to it...this might help a little--&gt;https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1604753

Also get a Helms manual if you don't have one and you could probably do it...

ZXRider

Where would I be able to purchase the Helms manual from? I think im pretty capable of pulling the heads off myself but I highly doubt I am capable of changing the valves myself. For now im just going to remove the head and see what the situation is. I'll call around and see what will a machine shop charge to do the work.

Thanks for all the input guys.

Hawkze_2.3

http://helminc.com

ZXRider

Damn this is so annoying, I have been searching the forums and the net for the past 3 hours and I cant find the exact parts and part numbers that I need. I'm trying to figure out how much parts is going to run for and it's driving me nuts. Anyone have any clue on what specific parts i need to chagne for a valve job and where can I get these damn things. Thanks.

manbearpig

Okay, first of all your car only has 1 head on it, not "heads" as you said before. As someone else said earlier, It's gonna cost you roughly 600 bucks to get everything done......trust me, I know. I just had everything that was mentioned before done to mine and the guy charged me $600, he changed the price on me and told me he wanted $700 but I only gave him 6......back on topic, any machine shop should be able to find prices on valves, just call and ask them.

ludesleep

I've got a used set of valves(jdm) that came off a head I bought with 30k on it. I remember checking the valves and almost all of them were usable. I don't have a complete set anymore cause I turned a couple of them down for chamber work. But if most of your valves are still good I would almost give you these to help you out. If your looking for the cheap way out I would have a machine shop install some K'liners you can't go wrong with'em. Almost all shops charge around 150 to install. You can buy your seals from SI for 16dollars and call it a day your back on the road.

Bobby Snyder


Modified by ludesleep at 3:43 AM 10/23/2006

ZXRider

How much are you thinking for the valves? and what do you exactly mean the seals from SI?

and while im asking so many stuipd questions....what is kliner? haha thanks

ludesleep

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZXRider &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How much are you thinking for the valves? and what do you exactly mean the seals from SI?

and while im asking so many stuipd questions....what is kliner? haha thanks</TD></TR></TABLE> However much they cost to send to you I guess. Si valve company http://www.sivalves.com sell your guide seals for 16 dollars(set). A k-liner is a bronze sleeve that is pressed into your existing guide. When you replace guides on hondas, alot of times, you pull material out with the old guides. So when you go to install the new ones its really hard to get them in straight. A liner will keep your new guide hone straight and true.

ZXRider

I'm sorry I don't mean to be a pain in the *** here, but you seem to know a good amount of information about this. If I wanted to do this correctly, everything fresh and new, what are all the things I would need to change with the valves? Part of me wants to just take the valves you have and fix the damn thing and get it back on the road and part of me says im there already lets get everything cleaned up.

Also I didn't understand from your reply, would the Kliner replace the guides? and also the seals you are talking about from SI valves, Im not able to located them on their site.

ludesleep

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZXRider &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm sorry I don't mean to be a pain in the *** here, but you seem to know a good amount of information about this. If I wanted to do this correctly, everything fresh and new, what are all the things I would need to change with the valves? Part of me wants to just take the valves you have and fix the damn thing and get it back on the road and part of me says im there already lets get everything cleaned up.

Also I didn't understand from your reply, would the Kliner replace the guides? and also the seals you are talking about from SI valves, Im not able to located them on their site.

</TD></TR></TABLE> The seals you will have to physically call up there and get a price on...they are like 80cents a piece and they are viton.

On your stock guides they will run a reamer through and utilize the stock concentricity of your seat. Then press the new kline inside your stock guide. I would personally do this with good used valves new ones in you prefer. Or else you will be looking at new valve guides with labor.

ZXRider

So what you are saying is I could just use your valves and replace the broken valve and have kliners installed with new seals and call it a day? If I wanted to install kliners than wouldn't the machine shop have to install one in every valve guide? or just the one that they are replacing.

and If i do want to get new valves than I would need to install all new guides?

I would like to take you up on the offer of the valves. How much would it cost for shipping to 92604? Thank you.

ludesleep

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZXRider &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So what you are saying is I could just use your valves and replace the broken valve and have kliners installed with new seals and call it a day? If I wanted to install kliners than wouldn't the machine shop have to install one in every valve guide? or just the one that they are replacing.

and If i do want to get new valves than I would need to install all new guides?

I would like to take you up on the offer of the valves. How much would it cost for shipping to 92604? Thank you.</TD></TR></TABLE> I give you the quote tomorrow...now I would say have all of them klined might as well but they can do just one. And if you gonna buy all new valves but your not gonna be running high hp motor with heat disbursement is crucial then I would go ahead and still put kliners in.

myh22runsontequila

if u can find a snap on guy u just need to spend $125 to buy the spring compresor tool and if u have a torqrench and some 19mm 14mm 12mm 10mm and maybe a 8mm u got a done deal o0o and a hammer u always need a hammer for some reason i tell just cuz i bent my valves 3 times

ludesleep

looks like ground is around eight dollars with ups....double check it my area code is 76118

ZXRider

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