HondaHeddie

Can one xfer enough weight to stop the endless understeer?


btw
I dont want to put bags of cement in the back either

sidewayz32

e-brake?

HondaHeddie

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I am not trying to pull stunts

When I go around hwy exits/entrances or am otherwise having fun during daily driving the front slides.

maybe I should put Pirrelli on the front and some nice hard, long mileage tires on the back.

g-ride-si

mine does all the time, stiff suspension, sticky fronts hard rears(tires). i also usually have my sub and amp in the back. i even have a big heavy b18 in the front but itll kick the *** out all day long.

Coltmorris

front wheel drive cars dont really 'oversteer' the way one would ever want. Any kind of serious oversteer in a crx is dangerous and stupid. if you just want to eliminate understeer dont just lighten the back up a whole bunch your car will be really unbalanced. it depends what kind of oversteer your talking about tho..lift off oversteer is the kind attainable with a crx any other kind is pretty much for rwd cars. Just get your car balanced do some research. If you want oversteer get a rwd car

HondaHeddie

I just want to end the understeer
I am not trying to cut donuts

I have nothing but a full size spare in the rear

no sound sys at all...........that will come later
after I am done mechanically

CRXBart

ST rear sway bar, and stiffer rear spring rates.

g-ride-si

mine only kicks out when i get out of the throttle or cut the wheel. very controllable. not dangerous at all if you know what your doing.

D Jaws II

aal,

What year and model of CRX? some major differences in suspension between generations, that's why i ask. Street use only?

Donnie

HondaHeddie

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the b18 is probly why you can sling you rear.
it is levering your rear off the ground

D Jaws II

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by g-ride-si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">mine only kicks out when i get out of the throttle or cut the wheel. very controllable. not dangerous at all if you know what your doing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You do that on a 30 degree high banked asphalt track and you'll find new uses for Depends. Not dangerous ,very controllable....hardly, your heart will skip a beat, I guarantee it.


JMHO


Donnie

g-ride-si

i know sometimes i even get the 3 wheel motion in there.

peanut butter

If you have a front sway bar on take it off. I took mine off and it reduced the understeer by a lot and turn-in on corners was a lot better too.

g-ride-si

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D Jaws II &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You do that on a 30 degree high banked asphalt track and you'll find new uses for Depends. Not dangerous ,very controllable....hardly, your heart will skip a beat, I guarantee it.


JMHO


Donnie</TD></TR></TABLE>

i used to do it all the time in my late model modified, im used to being sideways. of course that is rwd, im not saying it wont scare you the firs time but try it in an open parking lot, that way if it ever happens accidently youll know what to do with the car, in fwd if you give it gas it tends to straighten out pretty quick.

goforbroke

I don't have a crx but a hatch and having a lot of understeer on the road is dangerous. I spun out numerous times, given sometimes I was messing around but other times I was driving normal. If you autox or did road racing it was be acceptable. Oversteer is a crx is dangerous because its hard to correct it with such a short wheelbase. People will give you countless setups that will work for you I'm just not going to do it.

Hondacivic90ed

I lift thottle understeered my DA into a barrell roll down an embankment where the roof caved in and my head had road rash. I still relive it today. Understeer is bad, oversteer is bad, if you really want a good time, balance your car so that it is predictable and handles turns not slides through them.

Timmah!!

1)Install Rear ST swaybar on its tightest setting
2)Uninstall front swaybar
3)Install Mugen rear trailing arm bushing
4)Trail-break into the corner

I can assure you, you will have all the oversteer you could ever want

HondaHeddie

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D Jaws II &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">aal,

What year and model of CRX? some major differences in suspension between generations, that's why i ask. Street use only?

Donnie</TD></TR></TABLE>


91 STD (according to the manual Honda quit calling them DX in 89, hence the lack of a badge)
5spd
ac removed

yes street use, daily driver, with some cross country(long hwy drives)

Boosted Chemist

iTrader: (1)

get a st rear sway, but watch it, i almost lost my car due to oversteer (had the st at the highest setting)

EJ1 wilcox

Stiff springs in the back and a nice thick sway bar.

In my EF project I'm running a ST sway in the back with a Si sway bar up front. That with strut bars and skunk2 coilovers should make my car pretty neutral.

My goal is to get the car as neutral as possible. I used to have a DA that was so neutral it was amazing. It was so predictable, even if I went into a corner too hot I never felt out of control. That thing would slide perfectly flat without understeer or oversteer.

That's my goal with this EF. Predictability even when skidding

IMO that's much better than simply getting a FWD car to oversteer.

88 rex

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Cobra Tim &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1)Install Rear ST swaybar on its tightest setting
2)Uninstall front swaybar
3)Install Mugen rear trailing arm bushing
4)Trail-break into the corner

I can assure you, you will have all the oversteer you could ever want </TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by peanut butter &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you have a front sway bar on take it off. </TD></TR></TABLE>


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CRXBart

This thread is begining to look like a ST comercial. lol. Seriously though, it is one of the best mods you can do to an EF. I don't try to drift my car's by any means, but it kills the understeer problem. I need to change the setting on mine on my beater now, though. I went to 205's and now the damn thing pushes again, time for the full stiff setting.

HondaHeddie

ok
I wasnt really looking to have oversteer
I just wanted to get rid of understeer.

Sounds like you guys have my answer

-----------------what is the $$ on these mods------------------

other than the JDM D15B it is as it came from the factory
(no coils, sway bars, or anything)

jisu009

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91 STD (according to the manual Honda quit calling them DX in 89, hence the lack of a badge)
5spd
ac removed

yes street use, daily driver, with some cross country(long hwy drives)</TD></TR></TABLE>

The STD is a civic hatch. It was a 4 sp transmission.

The CRX models were:

SI, DX and HF

HondaHeddie

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jisu009 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The STD is a civic hatch. It was a 4 sp transmission.

The CRX models were:

SI, DX and HF</TD></TR></TABLE>

I bow to your knowledge

I just reread the manual, I missed that.

I have a DX.

Did they have a DX badge on them in 88-89?
85-87?