mzaner

Ok, I have a 91 CRX w/ B16A, the car won't start, but it has been throwing a code since yesterday and the car started fine, so I'm not sure if they are related. I don't know how to read the CEL codes so maybe you guys can help. There may be 2 codes, but I'm not sure.

It blinks once shortly, then there is a 4 second pause, then there is one long blink followed by 7 short ones, then it takes a 4 second pause and starts all over again. This is what it looks like with periods and the bold . is the long blink, it holds for like 2 seconds.

. ........ . ........

Oh and it's obd-1.

mzaner

Anybody? If you can't tell me what the codes are, could you give me a link so I can try to figure it out?

si90rex

a long blink = 10 + 7 blinks = 17
2 i think its o2 senor give me a min and i'll have a answer

si90rex

17 is speed senor has nothin to do with the car not starting same with the o2 senor. do u have spark and fuel

mzaner

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by si90rex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">17 is speed senor has nothin to do with the car not starting same with the o2 senor. do u have spark and fuel</TD></TR></TABLE> What about the first short blink? I think there are 2 diff. codes. But, I can push start the car, so there is fuel for sure. I had this exact problem back in May and took it to a shop, and they said there were no grounds from my engine to the chassis, so they put some on and it has been running fine until now, but it's the same problem as before. I turn the keys and nothing happens, not even clicking from my starter.

BTW, my speed sensor is definitely working fine. I don't know why it would be saying to check that, and yes I read the code right, I watched it for like 5 mins.

si90rex

o2 senor is the othere code
ok take out the battery ok then take a wrench just touch the - and + just fast if theres a start its fine but i would stay batterys not staying charge this happened to me like two days ago

i was gone for a week and it was dead when i got back so i jumped is was fine. intell the next morning it did the same thing. now its fine. have the alternator check at auto parts place. if there both fine u have a wire touching that shouldn't be. a gound or a power wire some were.or a fuse.

mzaner

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by si90rex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">o2 senor is the othere code
ok take out the battery ok then take a wrench just touch the - and + just fast if theres a start</TD></TR></TABLE> You lost me here. Take out the battery? Then take a wrench and touch the + and -?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by si90rex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">have the alternator check at auto parts place. </TD></TR></TABLE> I just replaced the alternator in May, but I will still have it checked because I know they can be bad to begin with.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by si90rex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if there both fine u have a wire touching that shouldn't be. a gound or a power wire some were.or a fuse. </TD></TR></TABLE> I'll check all the fuses and look for lose or disconnected grounds. Could it be my distributor?

si90rex

distributor not likely the battery isn't holding a charge if u take discont the battery termials and touch batterys the neg and pos to gether it should spark. if idon't its dead. but take the termials off other wise u'll blow fuses like carzy. other words take screw driver that will reach the -+ and lay it on top of them if it sparks great. but take off the termails

mzaner

Ok, will let you know what I find out about the battery. I'm at work now, so will probably find out in a couple of hours. You were right about the shift linkage, so I hope you're right about this too, battery is a relatively cheap fix.

mzaner

Ok, so after I got home from work, I disconnected the battery and touched the two posts and it sparked, so I reconnected the battery and checked all grounds, checked the fuses, none blown, then tried starting it with no luck. I decided to hammer the starter and that did the trick. Restarted it a couple of times just to be sure. Now, should I look into a new starter because I have heard once you hammer them they go bad.

bag

does it even crank?

Whats the other code you're getting maybe thats why it wont start..cause a vss code would still let the car start.,.

by the way here are the obd1 codes https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1171263

si90rex

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mzaner &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok, so after I got home from work, I disconnected the battery and touched the two posts and it sparked, so I reconnected the battery and checked all grounds, checked the fuses, none blown, then tried starting it with no luck. I decided to hammer the starter and that did the trick. Restarted it a couple of times just to be sure. Now, should I look into a new starter because I have heard once you hammer them they go bad.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hope its not the starter that might costed a penny or to i would see if theres not a battery rebuild around a friend of mine his dad works at one a he can rebuild starters and alternators and recycle batterys. he said that it cost about half of what a starter would cost for just as good if not better.

mzaner

After I got it started, I pulled out the hazard fuse to reset my ECU and today the CEL came on again, this time flashing the same codes, code 1 and 17, I don't understand why it's saying there is something wrong with my VSS, it seems to be working fine.

si90rex

does vtec still work

mzaner

Yes, VTEC is still working, however it does seem like the car is bogging just a little, after VTEC kicks in, it doesn't pickup as fast as it usually does.

si90rex

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mzaner &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, VTEC is still working, however it does seem like the car is bogging just a little, after VTEC kicks in, it doesn't pickup as fast as it usually does.</TD></TR></TABLE>

bogging is from the o2senor get a new o2senor. as from the vss i don't know in less theres some thing wrong w/ the cluster i think it would cause the vtec not to work. if u a sitting and u rev up the car vtec will not come on. becuase it knows the vehicle is not moving. but i don't know. u need a new o2senor tho.

mzaner

Do you have a diagram on how to replace that or where it goes? I know it's near the firewall on the passenger side somewhere.

si90rex

try this first

http://www.we-todd-did-racing....3D%3D

mzaner

Ok, I will have to wait until I get home to check that, but as far as the o2 sensor, my CRX has a B16 swap. Do I have to get an o2 sensor specifically for the B16 or can I get any one?

si90rex

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mzaner &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok, I will have to wait until I get home to check that, but as far as the o2 sensor, my CRX has a B16 swap. Do I have to get an o2 sensor specifically for the B16 or can I get any one?</TD></TR></TABLE>

u said its obd1 right? put it like this

92 del sol B16
99-00 si civic
92-93 gsr i would go with this one

should all work

si90rex

ooo and on the vss code i would start a new post i could be wrong i don't know.

there is probly some one else that knows.

i would post (VSS code what is it and how do i know whats wrong)

i think the VSS is in the cluster i don't know.

mzaner

Do you know where the o2 sensor is on the 91 CRX'es? I will just go pick one up and replace it myself, one of my friends did it himself and said it wasn't hard, but he has a Ford.

si90rex

hold the phone. u don't know where the o2 senor is. srry thats shocking to me because u know where the starter is and stuff. well look under the car on the exhuast manifold by the back of the oilpan it well stick up fromthe the exhaust manifold. i see if i can find a pic.


Modified by si90rex at 9:58 AM 7/25/2006

si90rex

u'll need a adjustable wrench thats it. get a oem one not a universal there gay a botsch one is the best. hard to miss itshould have 4 wires coming from it.

mzaner

Ok, thanks, will get a Bosch, but not the universal one. The one at Advanced Auto Parts says it's only 1 wire though?