riceburnerryan

so i have a GSR in my EG coupe and the other day my CEL came on ... well it was from my VAFC wires being disconnected ... well one of my friends old me if i pulled the ECU fuse and tured the car over it would erase it .. well now my car wont start.... i have taken it to a shop and the car is throwin code 15 and 20 ...

code 15
Ignition Output Signal
missing or defective ignition output signal

code 20
Electrical Load Detector
defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor

i was told it was my dizzy but he has 12v from the cap and to the cap and from the coil also

i was told a new ignitor? letme kno

SL!M

if the dizzy is not new, and should be replaced then I would do a whole unit, the price of a friggin ignitor is nearly the cost of a unit. I just went through that bullshit.

P.s don't listen to your friends.

riceburnerryan

thanks man .. yeah i wont listen to my friends again .. hey also ... does anyone know what a VTM sensor is ... i saw it in the manual for my VAFC


let me kno you guys! thanks!

riceburnerryan

*sorry for the double post*

also .. did that fix your problem ? and were you throwing the same codes?

Civic92jak

Talkin to ya on aim .

riceburnerryan

so ... new ignitor didnt work ... ordered new dizzy

Civic92jak

Sorry to hear bro. Leads me to believe its the coil from what you explained to me. But a new Dizzy is always a good way to go.

riceburnerryan

we have lead to beleive its the main relay... let me kno ??

HondaFanatic708

For the code 15, check for battery voltage on the BLK/YEL wire at t he dizzy with the ignition in the on position. If you get voltage it could be the ICM, wiring between the ICM and ECU or the ECU. If you don't get voltage check for a short in the BLK/YEL wire.. The ELD wouldn't keep the car from starting. Just an FYI the 7.5a fuse under the hood is to reset the ECU but you just remove it for a few seconds and its reset. Never did it myself, but maybe turning the key when that fuse was removed fried some things as said...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SL!M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
P.s don't listen to your friends.</TD></TR></TABLE>

But before you go throwing parts at it I would run through the troubleshooting flowcharts in a factory service manual. I'm sure if your nice your local Honda dealer would let you make copies of the needed pages.

riceburnerryan

thats the problem .. there is voltage at the ICM the coil and the cap and everything we replaced everything and still nothing .. i heard the main relay ... so i am gonna try that tomorrow other than that.. i donno

HondaFanatic708

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But before you go throwing parts at it I would run through the troubleshooting flowcharts in a factory service manual. I'm sure if your nice your local Honda dealer would let you make copies of the needed pages. </TD></TR></TABLE>Just to reitterate my opinion..

riceburnerryan

i went to honda of spokane today and got some things from them .... nothing so .. hopefulyl main relay

HondaFanatic708

Yeah if you ran all the way through the troubleshooting flowcharts for your CELs they should be solved. I really think whatever is causing the DTC 15 is also keeping the car from starting.

riceburnerryan

thing is .. i have power to everything! its weird

riceburnerryan

so i replaced the master relay and code 20 is gone i now am throwing 21 and 15 21 is like ... spool solenoid?


HELP ME PLEASE!

HondaFanatic708

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But before you go throwing parts at it I would run through the troubleshooting flowcharts in a factory service manual. I'm sure if your nice your local Honda dealer would let you make copies of the needed pages. </TD></TR></TABLE>What I should have said is your local Acura dealer since you would want the flowcharts for the GSR. If you follow the flowcharts it will direct you to the root of the problem.. And you CEL will go away, most likely allowing the car to start.

riceburnerryan

no acura in spokane that i kno of.. im going to tow it to honda and have them takea crack at it

Civic92jak

Code 21 is:
21*- Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude
94-98 ** 92-95 n/a n/a 93-95 n/a 93-95
VTEC Solenoid Valve
defective circuit or unplugged / defective solenoid valve
* not a valid code if car does not have a VTEC engine
** not with V-6 engine

Code 15 is:
15- Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude
90-95 88-95 n/a 88-91 93-95 95 88-95
Ignition Output Signal
missing or defective ignition output signal

This might help you alittle better . Seems like the not starting problem lies in the code 15. This could also be causing the code 21. Hopefully you can figure something out soon.

riceburnerryan

k so i kno why im throwing 21 and 22 .. its becuase when i did my VAFC .. the ****** didnt connect the wires right so they are disconnected right now .. either way do you think the VTEC wires not being connected would really affect the no spark even tho i have power to my distributor and ****? thanks james.. only thing i can think of now is tow it to honda and have them ****** fix that ****...

2lua

vtm= vtec module.
it is the blue wire came from the vafc right? you need to hook it with the vtec pressure switch to the ecu.

riceburnerryan

so the only codes im throwing now is like.. 15 and thats prolly whats not starting my car... i was throwing a code.. the spool solenoid but that i think has to do with VTEC ?? i have all my VTEC wires connected ... but car ont start so i rented a uhaul truck and trialer and gonna drop that piece of **** off at honda so ... i guess its in their hands now...

Civic92jak

Seem like something else failed inbetween the ecu and the dizzy. Taking it to the nearest Honda/Acura dealer is about your only hope. Wish i was closer man, i would come over and look at it for ya.

riceburnerryan

thanks james... but yeah .. im just fed up with not having a car and using my girlfriends.. its an inconvinience and i just need my car back so i was like.. ill rent a uhaul truck *cheapest towing* and just pay the extra to have the job done right

riceburnerryan

so i took my car to honda... and its now fixed... in a grand total including towing it was 300 bucks.. wanna kno what was wrong? well it was one of the wires came loose form the shoddy VAFC wiring and well .. that cuased no signal from the ECU to the dizzy ... which in turn .. caused no spark thus not allowing my car to start... well ... now its fixed and i even got a cool new honda shirt! yay!

Civic92jak

good to hear mang. Now you don't want to get rid of it right ?