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Old 12-15-2011, 03:38 PM   #1
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Ok i have a 95 b16a bottom end and a 96 GSR head with blox int. man. can these motors handle boost and if they can how much would be good for a daily driver???? the setup is bone stock other than the int. man.
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yes they can and i'd say 8lbs of boost for a DD
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Dammit!!! Where do you people come from with this PSI nonsense? PSI on what turbo? PSI without the turbo is just some BS number people pull outta the sky that don't know what they're talking about.

You can't answer the OPs question unless you know what turbo he's using. Chances are he doesn't know either. Just want's to turbo. Horsepower is the factor that makes boost safe or not.
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its a greddy 18g turbo
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Then list it in the first post and stop making people guess what setup is going on it. I don't know about this combo but stock B blocks can handle 300hp safely. That is common knowledge.
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Dammit!!! Where do you people come from with this PSI nonsense? PSI on what turbo? PSI without the turbo is just some BS number people pull outta the sky that don't know what they're talking about.

You can't answer the OPs question unless you know what turbo he's using. Chances are he doesn't know either. Just want's to turbo. Horsepower is the factor that makes boost safe or not.
i go by what people do when they buy your average eBay turbo, 9 out 10 times that's what they do when they come to forums like this...
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Ita all about how much horsepower the block can handle, Not the amount of air(Psi) you put in it. al turbos are diff and have diff CFM's depending on the size. BTW im pretty sure a poor mans type R is a GSR(B18c/1 block) and a B16 Head since the castings are the same as the type r heads. Just sayin lol
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i go by what people do when they buy your average eBay turbo, 9 out 10 times that's what they do when they come to forums like this...
And when they do they come off looking foolish and ignorant. Don't be ignorant. Take that Ebay turbo crap OUT of here. It takes nothing to buy and install a POS Ebay turbo kit. Anyone that does is not serious about boost nor learning how it really works. All they want to do is go fast for cheap.

Horsepower starts things breaking. Not PSI.

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Ita all about how much horsepower the block can handle, Not the amount of air(Psi) you put in it. al turbos are diff and have diff CFM's depending on the size.
To correct this, PSI is a measure of pressure (pounds per square inch). CFM is the measure of how much air a turbo can move.
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Lol grumble don't even fight it anymore people will keep saying this PSI bs for a long time
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Dammit!!! Where do you people come from with this PSI nonsense? PSI on what turbo? PSI without the turbo is just some BS number people pull outta the sky that don't know what they're talking about.

You can't answer the OPs question unless you know what turbo he's using. Chances are he doesn't know either. Just want's to turbo. Horsepower is the factor that makes boost safe or not.
Hahaha, Grumble as soon as I read the first post I knew you'd be on top of this thread....

Isn't it torque that kills engines and not horsepower? Correct me if I'm wrong but that is what I have been led to believe.
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I thought torque kills transmissions more than engines
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Hahaha, Grumble as soon as I read the first post I knew you'd be on top of this thread....

Isn't it torque that kills engines and not horsepower? Correct me if I'm wrong but that is what I have been led to believe.
Never read it like that. All my research always pulls up horsepower numbers but with torque and horsepower being interrelated I guess that would be accurate as well. I've just never seen a general rule of thumb when it comes to torque and engine breakage. If you find such numbers lemme know so I can add them to my "Go Fast" thread.
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So back to the OP's question: can a stock B series handle boost?
So nothing needs to be changed or improved?
No better rods or what not needed?
If so, B-series are pretty awesome!
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(I DO wonder what kinda of compression that thing is running with that type of setup, and how high it might get if a turbo is added to an already high compression VTEC B series....)
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I think I answered the question. Healthy stock B-series blocks can safely handle 300hp.
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Never read it like that. All my research always pulls up horsepower numbers but with torque and horsepower being interrelated I guess that would be accurate as well. I've just never seen a general rule of thumb when it comes to torque and engine breakage. If you find such numbers lemme know so I can add them to my "Go Fast" thread.
Cool, and yeah man if I find anything out I'll let you know.

To the original poster, you should be fine. Keep in mind though 300whp on the street is a lot of power. Especially in a light car such as a civic.
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I think I answered the question. Healthy stock B-series blocks can safely handle 300hp.
But for how long? If you could answer that I would love you for ever and ever. Turbo on stock internals is fun!!! until it your motor gets tired and your rings diminish their tolerances, allowing oil to fill the combustion chambers causing carbon deposits to cake your valves and cylinder head. Very quickly your precious B series motor begins to look like the colon of someone with ebola
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I think I answered the question. Healthy stock B-series blocks can safely handle 300hp.
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But for how long? If you could answer that I would love you for ever and ever. Turbo on stock internals is fun!!! until it your motor gets tired and your rings diminish their tolerances, allowing oil to fill the combustion chambers causing carbon deposits to cake your valves and cylinder head. Very quickly your precious B series motor begins to look like the colon of someone with ebola
No one can really answer this question. So many things go into how long it will list, it's stupid.

How healthy the engine was to start, how much boost,what turbo, how often are you getting on it, was it properly tuned? blah blah blah.

I have heard of people going years on boosted stock setups. Then again, if your at the track, and beating the crap out of the thing every other night don't expect it to last that long.


Summer of sophomore in HS my buddy saved up enough to build his turbo on turbo kit. Not sure on the turbo size, but ran 13psi was tuned. Stock GSR. It was blown and in peices by thanksgiving. I'll never forget what he dad said. "dumbass, what did I tell you?" lol That was the night it finaly blew, as his dad was dragging it onto the trailer. Not quite sure what happened, and I lost the pic's but #3 held a very unhappy piston.
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B16 bottom ends are known for being good for boost when properly built! There is no way you are going to reach 300whp on a stock build! Best thing you can do is either get a complete b16 or Gsr and you'll have better numbers! The way I see it the only way it might work is if u had a b16 Head and a Gsr bottom end! But it won't give you 300whp
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B16 bottom ends are known for being good for boost when properly built! There is no way you are going to reach 300whp on a stock build! Best thing you can do is either get a complete b16 or Gsr and you'll have better numbers! The way I see it the only way it might work is if u had a b16 Head and a Gsr bottom end! But it won't give you 300whp
Where in this thread did the OP said he wanted 300hp?
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But for how long? If you could answer that I would love you for ever and ever. Turbo on stock internals is fun!!! until it your motor gets tired and your rings diminish their tolerances, allowing oil to fill the combustion chambers causing carbon deposits to cake your valves and cylinder head. Very quickly your precious B series motor begins to look like the colon of someone with ebola
Erm. You just described every engine on the planet. NO turbocharged engine is in boost 100% of it's life. If you maintain it well and get a very good tune UP FRONT and don't beat the **** out of it, it should last for years. If you want to insure reliability then build up the bottom end of the block with good parts.
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B16 bottom ends are known for being good for boost when properly built! There is no way you are going to reach 300whp on a stock build! Best thing you can do is either get a complete b16 or Gsr and you'll have better numbers! The way I see it the only way it might work is if u had a b16 Head and a Gsr bottom end! But it won't give you 300whp
please stop talking. 300whp is easy and reliable on ANY healthy b series.

not to nit pick, but a b16 bottom end doesn't make it a poor man's type r. a poor man's type r is a gsr bottom end and b16 head. (why anyone would take a gsr head off to put a b16 one in its place i have no idea)
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please stop talking. 300whp is easy and reliable on ANY healthy b series.

not to nit pick, but a b16 bottom end doesn't make it a poor man's type r. a poor man's type r is a gsr bottom end and b16 head. (why anyone would take a gsr head off to put a b16 one in its place i have no idea)
dont bother he has 5 posts... he doesn't know what he's talking about
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please stop talking. 300whp is easy and reliable on ANY healthy b series.

not to nit pick, but a b16 bottom end doesn't make it a poor man's type r. a poor man's type r is a gsr bottom end and b16 head. (why anyone would take a gsr head off to put a b16 one in its place i have no idea)
Some people, have the misguided belief that the b16 head flows better.
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