ludelvr

I'm looking into buying a 92 del sol and I'm just noticed that there is the infamous 3rd gear grind. Anyway, it's a b16 engine and I noticed that the throw is really short. The man selling it is selling it on behalf of someone else so he doesn't know if it's a short shifter or not and I've been doing SO MUCH reading on the 3rd gear grind and I've concluded that it could be 1 (or a combo) or 3 things.

1. Syncros are bad
2. Short shifter
3. Rear motor mount is shot

I'm just wondering on number 2, how much would a short shifter cause a grind. It only happens in 3rd as well, only when shifting quickly at high speeds. This is the first thing I want to target seeing that I'm almost certain that there's a short shifter....unless the del sols have a really short throw. First del sol I've ever driven.

G2 Speed

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ludelvr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm looking into buying a 92 del sol and I'm just noticed that there is the infamous 3rd gear grind. Anyway, it's a b16 engine and I noticed that the throw is really short. The man selling it is selling it on behalf of someone else so he doesn't know if it's a short shifter or not and I've been doing SO MUCH reading on the 3rd gear grind and I've concluded that it could be 1 (or a combo) or 3 things.

1. Syncros are bad
2. Short shifter
3. Rear motor mount is shot

I'm just wondering on number 2, how much would a short shifter cause a grind. It only happens in 3rd as well, only when shifting quickly at high speeds. This is the first thing I want to target seeing that I'm almost certain that there's a short shifter....unless the del sols have a really short throw. First del sol I've ever driven.</TD></TR></TABLE>

syncro.. I wouldn't blame something like that on a short shifter....

B18C EG2

my car has hasport mounts.= very stiff...no way is the motor moving and a stock teg shifter...

my 3rd gear only grinds at high rpms...its the synchro...

torqueless

yes short shifter can make you grind gears, if you shift before the clutch is fully engauged, then it will hurt the synchro

ludelvr

Yah, I'm pretty sure it's the syncros, after reading all the threads about b series and their tendancies towards grinding 3rd, I just wanted to see what the likeliness it could be the other two options.

Just wondering how some people change the rear motor mounts and their grinding goes away. Anyway, thanks for the input guys.

sohcvtec1995

throw some syncro mesh in there and call it a day. but yes a short shifter can cause this. because the throw is shorter you may be shifting faster then the tranny.

ludelvr

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sohcvtec1995 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">throw some syncro mesh in there and call it a day. but yes a short shifter can cause this. because the throw is shorter you may be shifting faster then the tranny.</TD></TR></TABLE>

After reading the endless stuff on syncromesh I'd love to try it, however, I'm currently living in New Zealand, and GM is not so big here and I asked some of the mechanics about syncromesh and they looked at me like I was on crack! haha

sohcvtec1995

Pennsoil makes some stuff aswell. thats what i have used. if it is hard to come buy try ebay. or if you know someone in the states, have them buy it, and mail it to you.

ludelvr

Little bit of a discovery, but I don't know if this makes a huge difference on what it may be. I just found that when the car has been sitting overnight and then I take it for a drive and the engine is still cool, shifting into third is not a problem, it doesn't grind at high rpm or anything, but once the car warms up, it starts to grind. Is this an idicator for the transmission fluid and that it needs to be changed? And again, I checked into it and yah, there's not much of a following for GM syncromesh in the country and on top of that, shipping might be a problem.

jdm_bones

iTrader: (5)

Give the syncro mesh a try, it made a world of a difference in my ride!

philosofy1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by torqueless &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes short shifter can make you grind gears, if you shift before the clutch is fully engauged, then it will hurt the synchro</TD></TR></TABLE>

if he's shifting before the clutch is engaged, it will not be the short shifter, but more like driver error. so no a short shifter will not make your gears grind.

spock_rocker

i see it as.. if the 3rd gear was bad before.. its gonna get worse and i personally dont think that a short thow will help matters!

philosofy1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spock_rocker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i see it as.. if the 3rd gear was bad before.. its gonna get worse and i personally dont think that a short thow will help matters!</TD></TR></TABLE>

if his third gear is bad, i still don't understand how a short shifter will affect this matter. it's all about driver skill. whether it would be an oem or short shifter, if he's driving it like this it'll still worsen.

CardDealer

Modified by CardDealer at 9:56 AM 11/16/2006