Camber Kits
04-23-2008, 12:47 PM
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Camber Kits
Ok Im sick of seeing eveyone Here argue over whether or not if I drop my car will I need a camber kit. YES YOU DO ! if its more than a .5 in drop yes !!!!!
There are 3 Angles that Align you Wheels
Camber
A setting of automobile wheels in which they are closer together at the bottom than at the top.
In retards words the alignment of the top and bottom (vertical) of the wheel to be level.
Caster
Caster is the angle to which the steering pivot axis is tilted forward or rearward from vertical, as viewed from the side. If the pivot axis is tilted backward (that is, the top pivot is positioned farther rearward than the bottom pivot), then the caster is positive; if it's tilted forward, then the caster is negative.
In retards words the diagonal line 45 degrees from top to bottom alignment.
Toe
When a pair of wheels is set so that their leading edges are pointed slightly towards each other, the wheel pair is said to have toe-in. If the leading edges point away from each other, the pair is said to have toe-out. The amount of toe can be expressed in degrees as the angle to which the wheels are out of parallel, or more commonly, as the difference between the track widths as measured at the leading and trailing edges of the tires or wheels. Toe settings affect three major areas of performance: tire wear, straight-line stability and corner entry handling characteristics.
In retards words when you turn the Steering wheel that both the left and the right are turning on the same Angle if it is off by more than 1 degree it will basically drag the other tire around because their not turning at the right angle.
On 99% of Hondas Camber and Caster are set at a FIXED ANGLE... therefore they are NON ADJUSTABLE AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!! there is absolutely no leeway.
Yes the less you drop your car the wear is less visible, but once lowered you have changed all the angles of alignment.
The only adjustable angle that all Hondas have are toe, which is very common for eating tires and causing feathered wear on tires. Improper toe will also cause your steering wheel to be crooked or pull to 1 side which makes for power loss because the tires are either point towards or away from each other.
They must be perfectly straight to stop this.
Im positive Ive covered the basics and this would go for every car not just hondas but some cars do come with different type of suspension making them adjustable but not 88-01 hondas I can vouch for these because these are the ones I have worked on numerous times. I am not a weekend mechanic by the way i used to do this for a living.
There are 3 Angles that Align you Wheels
Camber
A setting of automobile wheels in which they are closer together at the bottom than at the top.
In retards words the alignment of the top and bottom (vertical) of the wheel to be level.
Caster
Caster is the angle to which the steering pivot axis is tilted forward or rearward from vertical, as viewed from the side. If the pivot axis is tilted backward (that is, the top pivot is positioned farther rearward than the bottom pivot), then the caster is positive; if it's tilted forward, then the caster is negative.
In retards words the diagonal line 45 degrees from top to bottom alignment.
Toe
When a pair of wheels is set so that their leading edges are pointed slightly towards each other, the wheel pair is said to have toe-in. If the leading edges point away from each other, the pair is said to have toe-out. The amount of toe can be expressed in degrees as the angle to which the wheels are out of parallel, or more commonly, as the difference between the track widths as measured at the leading and trailing edges of the tires or wheels. Toe settings affect three major areas of performance: tire wear, straight-line stability and corner entry handling characteristics.
In retards words when you turn the Steering wheel that both the left and the right are turning on the same Angle if it is off by more than 1 degree it will basically drag the other tire around because their not turning at the right angle.
On 99% of Hondas Camber and Caster are set at a FIXED ANGLE... therefore they are NON ADJUSTABLE AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!! there is absolutely no leeway.
Yes the less you drop your car the wear is less visible, but once lowered you have changed all the angles of alignment.
The only adjustable angle that all Hondas have are toe, which is very common for eating tires and causing feathered wear on tires. Improper toe will also cause your steering wheel to be crooked or pull to 1 side which makes for power loss because the tires are either point towards or away from each other.
They must be perfectly straight to stop this.
Im positive Ive covered the basics and this would go for every car not just hondas but some cars do come with different type of suspension making them adjustable but not 88-01 hondas I can vouch for these because these are the ones I have worked on numerous times. I am not a weekend mechanic by the way i used to do this for a living.
04-23-2008, 04:32 PM
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Re: Camber Kits (slvrcvc93)
We all know camber is an angle but whether it causes noticeable wear on tires is the real question and whether it is worth buying a camber kit for hundreds of dollars. You DO NOT need a camber kit if your dropped .5 in lol lol. If a person has four people in the car the car will be lowered more than .5 in. That was pretty funny... but to be serious I'm not trying to call you out but camber only needs to adjusted WHEN tire wear becomes noticeable which it won't be with any kind of moderate drop. Point Blank. You need to check yourself before you post such a definite statement.
04-24-2008, 10:52 AM
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Re: Camber Kits (spivt11)
It is a definite statement and unless you are dragging around FOUR 250 pound people in your car everyday no Factory civic is made to handle that Spring load on a daily basis. Thats why car makers take into account the difference from a front to rear spring rates to compensate for the weight of an engine, transmission and driver. Especially a Civic which was made to be an economy car. Why don't you think the U.S. civics at first were never offered Recaro seats as a factory option because Americans are overweight. Also if you buy a set of drop springs Why doesn't the rear of the car sit perfectly even with the front, because there compensating if your carrying things in the rear.
For example look at a rear wheel drive Mercedes and BMW you see that the rear wheels come with negative camber for better handling and traction but you put 2 fat girls in the back and the wheels look like there going to pop off. Its obvious your a noob because if you read what i wrote before the less dramatic the drop the less noticeable the wear. Get a basic car Manuel and read about alignment im not gonna keep schooling someone who has a 1 track mind.
For example look at a rear wheel drive Mercedes and BMW you see that the rear wheels come with negative camber for better handling and traction but you put 2 fat girls in the back and the wheels look like there going to pop off. Its obvious your a noob because if you read what i wrote before the less dramatic the drop the less noticeable the wear. Get a basic car Manuel and read about alignment im not gonna keep schooling someone who has a 1 track mind.
04-24-2008, 12:42 PM
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Re: Camber Kits (slvrcvc93)
Even my econo box DD will be getting some camber correction and an alignment after I lower it 1.5 inches. Why would I want my tires worn any faster?
04-24-2008, 05:48 PM
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Re: Camber Kits (D50boy)
Okay! you win noobs 
I can't stand talking to people like you all. You can't have a damn normal conversation without talking smack. I bet if I was standing in front of your *** you'd be hush. NOBODY needs a camber kit with .5in drop that's the most idiotic thing I ever heard. I didn't want to put in like that but obviously that's the only way you understand things.
Alright to d50boy I have a 1.5 inch drop on tanabe springs and kyb struts. I have been with this set up for two years. No abnormal tire wear at all. Only thing I have done is get a simple alignment. Again I'm not tryn to show you up but slvcr couldn't understand that. Hopefully your a little more mature and can handle a normal convo. But anyway just giving you my specs since me and you have the same and telling you my experience.
I can't stand talking to people like you all. You can't have a damn normal conversation without talking smack. I bet if I was standing in front of your *** you'd be hush. NOBODY needs a camber kit with .5in drop that's the most idiotic thing I ever heard. I didn't want to put in like that but obviously that's the only way you understand things. Alright to d50boy I have a 1.5 inch drop on tanabe springs and kyb struts. I have been with this set up for two years. No abnormal tire wear at all. Only thing I have done is get a simple alignment. Again I'm not tryn to show you up but slvcr couldn't understand that. Hopefully your a little more mature and can handle a normal convo. But anyway just giving you my specs since me and you have the same and telling you my experience.
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04-24-2008, 06:59 PM
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Re: Camber Kits (spivt11)
If i was standing in front of you I would crack your bumpkin *** in your **** and like I said before ******* depending on the drop you put on your car the camber wear is less noticable and not severe. IF YOU RETARDED *** COULD READ YOU WOULD SEE THAT I PUT IT 3 TIMES BUT RETARDS LIKE YOU JUST WANNA RUN YOUR MOUTH. all hondas come with FIXED CAMBER AND CASTER NON ADJUSTABLE THAT MEANS YOU CANT MOVE IT DUMBASS anything changing this will alter what the dealer recommended settings.
04-24-2008, 07:18 PM
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Re: Camber Kits (slvrcvc93)
um ... didnt mean to disturb you two... but what does a camber kit exactly fix because I have about a 1.5" lower (tokico shocks, Eibach springs) and I was considering a camber kit, but I didnt think that there would be much a camber problem. But, also, isnt negative camber a good thing? for cornering and whatnot, because negative camber will straighten out with the body roll, increasing grip on the outboard tires? and if a camber kit straightens out the tire, positive camber, then while turning you would be riding on the outer edge of your tire, i.e. understeer? or am I not grasping the concept of camber?
... didnt mean to disturb you two... but what does a camber kit exactly fix because I have about a 1.5" lower (tokico shocks, Eibach springs) and I was considering a camber kit, but I didnt think that there would be much a camber problem. But, also, isnt negative camber a good thing? for cornering and whatnot, because negative camber will straighten out with the body roll, increasing grip on the outboard tires? and if a camber kit straightens out the tire, positive camber, then while turning you would be riding on the outer edge of your tire, i.e. understeer? or am I not grasping the concept of camber?
04-24-2008, 07:24 PM
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Re: Camber Kits (slvrcvc93)
sometimes its just better to spend the extra money rather than pay for new tires every month. I learned the hard way and paid 600 in tires.... not fun. Thats what i get for buying my car from a guy who knew nothing about cars and dropped it 4 inches. I realized the problem pretty quick, i just couldnt tell what to do first... slot the bolt and adjust it myself so i dont need to keep buying tires, or get the camber kit. I ended up just selling the car.
zero out the toe and ****'ll be fine
04-25-2008, 06:50 AM
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Re: Camber Kits (slvrcvc93)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slvrcvc93 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok Im sick of seeing eveyone Here argue over whether or not if I drop my car will I need a camber kit. YES YOU DO ! if its more than a .5 in drop yes !!!!!
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I know I can read. This is exactly what you said. Don't ry to change up now because people are saying:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spray_bombed »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">more than .5 you need a camber kit....nice one *** clown, way to fill h-tech with more wrong information, stupid noob zero out the toe and ****'ll be fine</TD></TR></TABLE>
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EK_B »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">+1 on stupid noob.
It's all about the alignment for tire wear. </TD></TR></TABLE>
You're the only one up here sounding rediculous slcrv.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
I know I can read. This is exactly what you said. Don't ry to change up now because people are saying:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spray_bombed »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">more than .5 you need a camber kit....nice one *** clown, way to fill h-tech with more wrong information, stupid noob zero out the toe and ****'ll be fine</TD></TR></TABLE>
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EK_B »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">+1 on stupid noob.
It's all about the alignment for tire wear. </TD></TR></TABLE>
You're the only one up here sounding rediculous slcrv.
04-25-2008, 07:30 AM
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Re: Camber Kits (spivt11)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spivt11 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I know I can read. This is exactly what you said. Don't ry to change up now because people are saying:
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You're the only one up here sounding rediculous slcrv. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Your wrong! You do need a camber kit slvrcvc93 is right you NEED a camber kit. And if you so love neg camber then at least you can play with the numbers and see results. Im tired or arguing the facts of needing a camber kit (cause you do) so i think everyone needs to figure it out on their own. I have a lot of stock civic owners that come in here for an alignment and they complain about a very small amount of inside tire wear, guess what the toe is fine and it sits at neg . 6 deg. So how are you gonna say that dropping the car is not gonna make things worse? even if you have toe at 0 with neg 1.2 of camber. thats what a 1.5 inch dropp does to camber. I say buy a camber kit they're only about 150. everybody [freak]s off more money than that in one night anyways.
I know I can read. This is exactly what you said. Don't ry to change up now because people are saying:
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You're the only one up here sounding rediculous slcrv. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Your wrong! You do need a camber kit slvrcvc93 is right you NEED a camber kit. And if you so love neg camber then at least you can play with the numbers and see results. Im tired or arguing the facts of needing a camber kit (cause you do) so i think everyone needs to figure it out on their own. I have a lot of stock civic owners that come in here for an alignment and they complain about a very small amount of inside tire wear, guess what the toe is fine and it sits at neg . 6 deg. So how are you gonna say that dropping the car is not gonna make things worse? even if you have toe at 0 with neg 1.2 of camber. thats what a 1.5 inch dropp does to camber. I say buy a camber kit they're only about 150. everybody [freak]s off more money than that in one night anyways.
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http://autorepair.about.com/cs...a.htm
here is a link to where people can see what an alignment is about.
here is a link to where people can see what an alignment is about.
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All you wanna be weekend mechanics! lmao because your work out of you house doesn't Qualify you as being a real mechanic. When you have actully used an alignment rack (a real one not a level you bought in the hardware store for 2.99) then you will know wtf im talking about lol I dare any of you just to go to a place anywhere even Pepboys and get your readout so I can laugh at your stupid asses.
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wait wait wait, let me get this strait.... people actually try to do their entire alignment by themselves? I thought that everyone just got it as close as possible and brought it to a shop to get it finished off. Seriously... some people are really that irresponsible to think they did an alignment right at home?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slvrcvc93 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All you wanna be weekend mechanics!... then you will know wtf im talking about lol I dare any of you just to go to a place anywhere even Pepboys and get your readout so I can laugh at your stupid asses. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I just asked them and they're laughing at you lol. I'm being serious too no lie.
</TD></TR></TABLE>I just asked them and they're laughing at you lol. I'm being serious too no lie.
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My man your a cornball you have alot to learn still I've been doing this for a long time already like i said save that B.S. for you and your friends everything i typed up can be found in ANY CAR MANUEL. I didn't make any of this stuff up you and your friends can all suck a dick, and eat all the tires you want. These post are to learn not talk ****. Its obvious what your doing so stop posting up if you have nothing to teach anyone
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