TOP91

getting ready to replace bushings on 97 honda civic but dont really know where they are all at. The only ones that i know of is trailing arm bushings and control arm. how many are there all togethor for the rear end and where?

Libertariat

Did you buy a master set? What are you trying to do?

There are a lot of bushings. ~26 or more.

This is the PIC hard rubber full kit:

TOP91

no i havent gotten anything yet. Still thinking about it. Im trying to tighten up the rear end which is handling really bad, every little bump on the road throws me everywhere and also has terrible road noise. fixed one bearing by replaceing hub assembly and now have to do the other. wanted to start with bearings then fix bushings, then later possibly replacing struts/shocks etc.

Libertariat

Is the car stock?

I would inspect the shocks, endlinks if you have a swaybar, and then inspect the bushings. You can visually inspect bushings so don't just replace those because the car handles funny.

Also be sure the alignment is in check, .03-.05 toe out int he front, and .03-.05 toe in in the rear. This will promote high speed stability.

Road noise? what kind? Tires noise?

TOP91

Yea everything is stock. road noise, sounds like a train. the wheel bearing in the back is bad im going to replace it this week. i can grab the tire and rock it side to side. had this problem on other side and replaced it. Going to see if this fixes some of the noise. bounces all over the road, hums and vibrates entire car past 40 mph. well i noticed about 80,000 miles ago when coming to an abrupt slow down like a stop sign on a backroad etc, that the rear end would vibrate hard like a tire coming off the road several times.

the car has around 200,000 miles on it

95EG2

2 trailing arm bushings
3 bushings on each rear lower control arm
2 bushing on each of the rear toe arm
1 bushing on each of the rear upper control are
And the sway bar bushings if it equipped with one

98civdx

Don't just replace just the rear. Do them all at once.

For the rear upper, the are 2 bushings each.

Also, I reccomend taking a look at the ball joints, and upper control arms, as well as tie rods.

Also, you would be much better off repalceing everything all the same time. Including shocks/springs.

jonesEK

iTrader: (1)

I know this is an assumption but i think its the RTA bushing or the LCA bushings mostly the RTA bushings so go outside and try to look at the bushing to see if its in bad shape

TOP91

ok the rear bearings have been replaced now. and since i actually looked under the car i checked the bushings and there all shot... Next im going to go ahead and get a master bushing set like libertariat suggested earlyer and go ahead and redo all the bushings on the rear end and be done with it for a while. (then i will still have them for the rest of the car for later)

Wanted to know of some good bushing kits. right now the one im looking at is from Energy Suspension and the bushings are red.

Also there is no rear sway bar on the back, someone mentioned about that earlyer. Not really concerned about that since it has stock suspension but if i ever come across one ill grab it.

Also about this time last year i replaced the rear passanger wheel bearing. It was to the point i could grab tire and wobble it slightly while the car was on the ground. Got the drivers side one done yesterday same thing i could grab it tire and wobble it. Put it back togethor seems good nice and tight tire spins good. gave it a good last shake no wobble. no grinding. Walked back over to the passanger side and gave it the tire a shake, to my surprise it wobbles back and forth. Lug nuts are all tight what could cause this can a bearing really wear out this fast? i just replaced it last year... when i do the bushings im going to look over it and make sure that theres not a bolt or two loose in the drum.

There isnt much under these cars!

Libertariat

There aren't very many bushings on the rear end. Trailing arm, LCAs, and the toe compensator arm.

TOP91

any good deals on a bushing kit yet?

Libertariat

PIC's kit is really a steal. $225

TOP91

Well i think im going to go ahead with energy suspension for $145 free 2nd day shipping.

98civdx

You do realalise the so called "master kit" doesn't even include half the total amount of bushings?

Also, that you'll have to remove them, and clean and lube them every so often?

Sure it's about 100 more, but you get more bushings, which will last longer, and in the long run be better?

But, buy what you want.

TOP91

Well what about this kit?

Energy Suspension 16.18110R Master Set

Front control arm bushing set: 16-3114
4 2409 lower control arm bushings.
2 15.10.405.39 (1"O.D. x 9/16"I.D. x 1.960” sleeve)
2 3340 lower control arm bushings.
2 15.10.246.39 (1”O.D. X .718” I.D. X 2.277” sleeve)
4 3371 upper control arm bushing.
4 15.10.408.39 (7/8"O.D. x .406”I.D. x 1.875" sleeve)
1 17278 installation instructions



Front shock bushing set: 16-8102
4 8096 upper shock bushings.
4 2272 lower shock bushings.
2 15.10.245.39 (3/4”O.D. x .480”I.D. x 1.960” sleeve)
1 17162 installation instructions.


Front sway bar bushing set: 16-5121
2 5382 22mm front sway bar bushings..
1 17039 installations instructions.


Front coil spring isolator set: 16-6104
2 6168 coil spring isolators ( uppers only).


Rear coil spring isolator set: 16-6103
2 6143 coil spring isolators (uppers only).


Rear trailing arm bushing set: 2-7106
2 3317 trailing arm bushings.
1 17339 installation instructions.


Manual transmission shifter bushing set: 16-1102
2 2277 transmission end.
1 15.10.247.39 (1/2” x 5.16” x 1.200” sleeve)
1 1033 body end.
1 17161 installation instructions.


Rack and pinion mount bushing set: 16-10104
4 10022 driver side bushings.
1 10037 passenger side bushings.
1 17153 installation instructions.

Front ball joint boot set: 16-13101
2 13001 ball joint boots.
2 13003 ball joint boots.
Front tie rod boot set: 9-13103
2 13003 tie rod boots.


Front end link set: 16-8104
8 8072 end link bushings.
8 15.03.03.40 (cup washers)
2 15.10.226.39 (9/16” x 3/8” x .400” sleeve)
2 15.05.28.39 (3/8-16 x 3-3/4” bolt)
2 15.07.01.40 (3/8-16 nylon locknut)


Misc.:
4 9.11101 Grease.

98civdx

That is the kit I was talking about.

What about the rear lower control arms, upper control arms, as well as the componsator arms.

Look how much ES charges for that, and than you will see why I say the rubber kit is better.

Ball joint and tie rod boots are junk. If your boots are torn the joint is more than likey ruined anyways.

TOP91

well what kit has all the bushings for the rear end then?
What kit do you suggest 98civdx?

arich

i need to do that to mine, too. thanks for the tips

TOP91

who has a kit that has these

98civdx

You must have missed the first post of this thread. That and the Hardrace kit, they are simply the best for the money.

TOP91

i need names of these bushings and name of where they go.

98civdx

Why? go look at the bushing kit online, and I already posted in your new thread.

You need to help yourself man, I am not going to spoon feed you readily avaible information.

TOP91

are you talking about the PIC hard rubber bushing kit? does this have all the bushings? or just "critical" ones like energy suspension had?

98civdx

Are you kiding?

It's the first post in the thread.

This is the kit.



Go to Picperformance.com

altitude_19

You talk about needing to lubricate ES bushings... What happens if you don't? Do they just get squeaky? I've never lubricated ES components after installation...