95 civic sputters and stalls HELP
#26
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And now, let me tell you what you should do if your car is misfiring and idling rough. First, you check the spark (free). At this point, you would see that you had an ignition problem, and could logically justify doing an ignition tune-up. If your spark was fine, you can save the $80, then you check the fuel (also free). If your fuel is fine, then you move onto compression, still saving that $80 you didn't need to spend on spark. Still pass? Check your mechanical and ignition timing.
Your process blindly spent $80 in the hopes that it solves the problem. My process spends $0 to figure out exactly what the problem is, and only spends money when necessary. Your process is, unfortunately, wrong. Blindly throwing parts at something is not acceptable around here. Please get the thought out of your head if you really want to help out around here. I'm really trying to be nice here. Those who know me, know that doesn't happen that often. You're trying. Just step back and realize how things work around here, and you could be an asset to H-T. If you don't, you're going to end up being a major pain in the *** for us regulars, which really won't make your time here fun.
Your process blindly spent $80 in the hopes that it solves the problem. My process spends $0 to figure out exactly what the problem is, and only spends money when necessary. Your process is, unfortunately, wrong. Blindly throwing parts at something is not acceptable around here. Please get the thought out of your head if you really want to help out around here. I'm really trying to be nice here. Those who know me, know that doesn't happen that often. You're trying. Just step back and realize how things work around here, and you could be an asset to H-T. If you don't, you're going to end up being a major pain in the *** for us regulars, which really won't make your time here fun.
#27
Re: 95 civic sputters and stalls HELP
So what is next step you suggest to OP ?
*Low compression won't create misfire and stall while accelerating. The engine will vibrate and/or become noisy and/or create white smoke but never misfiring or stall.
There are many other things can also cause symptoms I mentioned. But I prefer replacing the basic and cheap parts that can cause these symptoms and start there.
*Low compression won't create misfire and stall while accelerating. The engine will vibrate and/or become noisy and/or create white smoke but never misfiring or stall.
There are many other things can also cause symptoms I mentioned. But I prefer replacing the basic and cheap parts that can cause these symptoms and start there.
#28
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What I suggest next is exactly what I suggested next last night. It hasn't changed.
While we appreciate that you're trying to help, SteveT, please don't unless you know what you're talking about.
92-00 Civics don't use MAF sensors. "Cleaning the MAF" won't accomplish anything, because there isn't one to clean. On top of that, there is no logical reason to compare solutions between two completely unrelated cars. Replacing random parts is stupid. Follow proper diagnostic procedures, and solve the problem correctly. If all you're going to do is slap random parts at it, then please don't waste our time spent trying to help.
https://honda-tech.com/honda-civic-d...sting-3002401/
OP, you were asked, multiple times now, to post your smog sheet. Post it. Straight from the rules -
92-00 Civics don't use MAF sensors. "Cleaning the MAF" won't accomplish anything, because there isn't one to clean. On top of that, there is no logical reason to compare solutions between two completely unrelated cars. Replacing random parts is stupid. Follow proper diagnostic procedures, and solve the problem correctly. If all you're going to do is slap random parts at it, then please don't waste our time spent trying to help.
https://honda-tech.com/honda-civic-d...sting-3002401/
OP, you were asked, multiple times now, to post your smog sheet. Post it. Straight from the rules -
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#29
Re: 95 civic sputters and stalls HELP
Let's be practical. If my car was misfiring, has rough idle, sometime stall while accelerating and no CEL, I would replace the rotor, the distributor cap, the cables, all spark plug and the coil, especially when those parts are old. If these new parts fixe all these problems, I'm no going to waste my time to find out which of these parts was culprit. And Yeah, these parts are cheap.
#30
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@Jimi Hondrix
I repeat again it all depends money and time. If I don't see any obvious sign that direct me to the suspect part, I will start with cheap and easy to replace parts that are likely cause the problem (very old cables and spark plug). If there is CEL, of course I will start to check the code first. If I hear the fuel pump is struggling, of course I will check the fuel system pressure first. But if there is no obvious sign that explains the symptoms and it needs more time and special tools for advance diagnostics, I would start to replace the cheap and easy to replace parts first. You can buy a tune up kit (distributor cap, rotor, cable, spark plug ) for very cheap price. I'm not someone ****, so I don't ********** about everything should be "OEM".
I repeat again it all depends money and time. If I don't see any obvious sign that direct me to the suspect part, I will start with cheap and easy to replace parts that are likely cause the problem (very old cables and spark plug). If there is CEL, of course I will start to check the code first. If I hear the fuel pump is struggling, of course I will check the fuel system pressure first. But if there is no obvious sign that explains the symptoms and it needs more time and special tools for advance diagnostics, I would start to replace the cheap and easy to replace parts first. You can buy a tune up kit (distributor cap, rotor, cable, spark plug ) for very cheap price. I'm not someone ****, so I don't ********** about everything should be "OEM".
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#32
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@Jimi Hondrix
I repeat again it all depends money and time. If I don't see any obvious sign that direct me to the suspect part, I will start with cheap and easy to replace parts that are likely cause the problem (very old cables and spark plug). If there is CEL, of course I will start to check the code first. If I hear the fuel pump is struggling, of course I will check the fuel system pressure first. But if there is no obvious sign that explains the symptoms and it needs more time and special tools for advance diagnostics, I would start to replace the cheap and easy to replace parts first. You can buy a tune up kit (distributor cap, rotor, cable, spark plug ) for very cheap price. I'm not someone ****, so I don't ********** about everything should be "OEM".
I repeat again it all depends money and time. If I don't see any obvious sign that direct me to the suspect part, I will start with cheap and easy to replace parts that are likely cause the problem (very old cables and spark plug). If there is CEL, of course I will start to check the code first. If I hear the fuel pump is struggling, of course I will check the fuel system pressure first. But if there is no obvious sign that explains the symptoms and it needs more time and special tools for advance diagnostics, I would start to replace the cheap and easy to replace parts first. You can buy a tune up kit (distributor cap, rotor, cable, spark plug ) for very cheap price. I'm not someone ****, so I don't ********** about everything should be "OEM".
#33
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Nothing to do with laziness. An "OEM" (NGK) tune up kit cost only $70. For my wreck, I bought an aftermarket tune up kit for $30 from ebay and I had zero problem. You can take your time to remove the IAC, the fuel injectors, the fuel pump for the "diagnostic". But for myself, I prefer spend $30 to $70 tune kit first, and take 30 minutes of my time to replace these parts to see if the symptom still there.
BTW, what is your suggestion for OP ? What is your "diagnostic"?
#34
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See thread #2
Your solution to every random misfire is to throw a tune-up at it first?
You don't check for spark? You don't test ICM or igniter? You just guess.. is that correct? Your position has no basis.
I am not responding to anymore of your post unless you have something of value to offer. Again, just don't lead others to follow your thought process.
Your solution to every random misfire is to throw a tune-up at it first?
You don't check for spark? You don't test ICM or igniter? You just guess.. is that correct? Your position has no basis.
I am not responding to anymore of your post unless you have something of value to offer. Again, just don't lead others to follow your thought process.
#35
Re: 95 civic sputters and stalls HELP
See thread #2
Your solution to every random misfire is to throw a tune-up at it first?
You don't check for spark? You don't test ICM or igniter? You just guess.. is that correct? Your position has no basis.
I am not responding to anymore of your post unless you have something of value to offer. Again, just don't lead others to follow your thought process.
Your solution to every random misfire is to throw a tune-up at it first?
You don't check for spark? You don't test ICM or igniter? You just guess.. is that correct? Your position has no basis.
I am not responding to anymore of your post unless you have something of value to offer. Again, just don't lead others to follow your thought process.
You can "diagnose" the ICM only when it's really dead. A dying ICM is very hard to "diagnose" and it doesn't cause constant rough idle. A dying ICM do cause random misfire and random and sudden shutoff but independently to acceleration. As for the spark, you can check the spark only when the car cranks but refuse the start. If you can start the car, it's very hard to check for the spark.
And Oh btw, the battery, the engine oil and filter, the wiper blades and the tires of all my cars are not OEM. Am I doomed ?
Last edited by SteveT2008; 10-06-2015 at 05:53 PM.
#36
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#37
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No cel codes, there's the smog sheet, I've replaced the gas cap and grabbed a new manga flow cat. Cleaned the fitv , car running decent yet still stalls but it's decreasing. Replacing rotor cool and cap come Friday. Judging by smog sheet anything other suggestions ?
#38
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No cel codes, there's the smog sheet, I've replaced the gas cap and grabbed a new manga flow cat. Cleaned the fitv , car running decent yet still stalls but it's decreasing. Replacing rotor cool and cap come Friday. Judging by smog sheet anything other suggestions ?
At this time, I think you need to wait until you get the rotor and cap replaced and report back the results. Then you should receive the next segment of diagnosis assuming that the cap and rotor and everything else you have done doesn't clear up the issue.
Until then, I think you are just waiting for your parts.
#39
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Thank you for staying on point. Good job there by not being distracted away from the point at hand.
At this time, I think you need to wait until you get the rotor and cap replaced and report back the results. Then you should receive the next segment of diagnosis assuming that the cap and rotor and everything else you have done doesn't clear up the issue.
Until then, I think you are just waiting for your parts.
At this time, I think you need to wait until you get the rotor and cap replaced and report back the results. Then you should receive the next segment of diagnosis assuming that the cap and rotor and everything else you have done doesn't clear up the issue.
Until then, I think you are just waiting for your parts.
#40
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Re: 95 civic sputters and stalls HELP
SteveT, I tried being nice, because I thought you could be an asset to these forums, but I see that I was wrong. Do yourself a favor and stop posting for a few days. Pay attention to what the regulars advise people do. People like RonJ, TomCat, myself, eghatch9295, 24TEN, tony_2018, and a few others. We've been around the block a few times, and we know what we're talking about when we say things. In short, we basically run **** around here. Telling people to blindly replace parts is bad. ******* stop it.
High HC is caused by defective ignition, improperly set timing, a damaged motor, or a failing catalytic converter. Now, we have something diagnostically relevant to go off of. Here's a short list of things to do, in order.
1 - Replace your cap and rotor with NGK hardware.
2 - Reset your ECU, and see which codes return. Hopefully none of them do, and if they do, hopefully you were reading them wrong. 13 is particularly nasty.
3 - Verify your ignition timing. You'll need to buy/borrow/rent a timing light for this. You can find an easy to follow how-to here.
4 - Can you explain to us why the sheet says your cat was "modified"? Did the tech offer to sell you a replacement gas cap, or at least explain why that particular part failed?
High HC is caused by defective ignition, improperly set timing, a damaged motor, or a failing catalytic converter. Now, we have something diagnostically relevant to go off of. Here's a short list of things to do, in order.
1 - Replace your cap and rotor with NGK hardware.
2 - Reset your ECU, and see which codes return. Hopefully none of them do, and if they do, hopefully you were reading them wrong. 13 is particularly nasty.
3 - Verify your ignition timing. You'll need to buy/borrow/rent a timing light for this. You can find an easy to follow how-to here.
4 - Can you explain to us why the sheet says your cat was "modified"? Did the tech offer to sell you a replacement gas cap, or at least explain why that particular part failed?
#41
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Re: 95 civic sputters and stalls HELP
flashing cel= misfire. if you have a multimeter, time to test the coil. you can remove your icm as well, many parts stores can test for free. to SteveT- yeah, a bad icm can cause poor drivability symptoms and usually do before shitting the bed. you're an idiot.
#42
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SteveT, I tried being nice, because I thought you could be an asset to these forums, but I see that I was wrong. Do yourself a favor and stop posting for a few days. Pay attention to what the regulars advise people do. People like RonJ, TomCat, myself, eghatch9295, 24TEN, tony_2018, and a few others. We've been around the block a few times, and we know what we're talking about when we say things. In short, we basically run **** around here. Telling people to blindly replace parts is bad. ******* stop it.
High HC is caused by defective ignition, improperly set timing, a damaged motor, or a failing catalytic converter. Now, we have something diagnostically relevant to go off of. Here's a short list of things to do, in order.
1 - Replace your cap and rotor with NGK hardware.
2 - Reset your ECU, and see which codes return. Hopefully none of them do, and if they do, hopefully you were reading them wrong. 13 is particularly nasty.
3 - Verify your ignition timing. You'll need to buy/borrow/rent a timing light for this. You can find an easy to follow how-to here.
4 - Can you explain to us why the sheet says your cat was "modified"? Did the tech offer to sell you a replacement gas cap, or at least explain why that particular part failed?
High HC is caused by defective ignition, improperly set timing, a damaged motor, or a failing catalytic converter. Now, we have something diagnostically relevant to go off of. Here's a short list of things to do, in order.
1 - Replace your cap and rotor with NGK hardware.
2 - Reset your ECU, and see which codes return. Hopefully none of them do, and if they do, hopefully you were reading them wrong. 13 is particularly nasty.
3 - Verify your ignition timing. You'll need to buy/borrow/rent a timing light for this. You can find an easy to follow how-to here.
4 - Can you explain to us why the sheet says your cat was "modified"? Did the tech offer to sell you a replacement gas cap, or at least explain why that particular part failed?
What make you think I'm telling people to blindly replace parts? I just shared my experience that fixed similar problems. Did I ask OP to replace tires or wiper blades to fixe his problems? Why it's OK for RonJ to suggest replacing distributor cap and rotor but It's not OK for me to suggest the same parts ?
#43
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So You're affirmative that a dying ICM can also cause CONSTANT rough idle and acceleration can INCREASE misfire and/or stalling . It's that right ? How smart are you ?
And Oh btw, smart guy, can you tell OP how to test a dying coil (but not die yet) with a multimeter ?
#44
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So on my way home from class I noticed my cels starting to flash. Idk I pulled over because I know it'd be bad to drive home, it's about a 5 mile drive and I need to get home can't afford a tow atm would my car make it ? Cels flashing codes 10, 13, and 41. Didn't code read but I'm just reading by the amount of flashes . Long blink = 10 quick flashes = 1
Just curious, How is the idle before and now? Do you have hard starting after a stall?
#45
Re: 95 civic sputters and stalls HELP
SteveT, I tried being nice, because I thought you could be an asset to these forums, but I see that I was wrong. Do yourself a favor and stop posting for a few days. Pay attention to what the regulars advise people do. People like RonJ, TomCat, myself, eghatch9295, 24TEN, tony_2018, and a few others. We've been around the block a few times, and we know what we're talking about when we say things. In short, we basically run **** around here. Telling people to blindly replace parts is bad. ******* stop it.
High HC is caused by defective ignition, improperly set timing, a damaged motor, or a failing catalytic converter. Now, we have something diagnostically relevant to go off of. Here's a short list of things to do, in order.
1 - Replace your cap and rotor with NGK hardware.
2 - Reset your ECU, and see which codes return. Hopefully none of them do, and if they do, hopefully you were reading them wrong. 13 is particularly nasty.
3 - Verify your ignition timing. You'll need to buy/borrow/rent a timing light for this. You can find an easy to follow how-to here.
4 - Can you explain to us why the sheet says your cat was "modified"? Did the tech offer to sell you a replacement gas cap, or at least explain why that particular part failed?
High HC is caused by defective ignition, improperly set timing, a damaged motor, or a failing catalytic converter. Now, we have something diagnostically relevant to go off of. Here's a short list of things to do, in order.
1 - Replace your cap and rotor with NGK hardware.
2 - Reset your ECU, and see which codes return. Hopefully none of them do, and if they do, hopefully you were reading them wrong. 13 is particularly nasty.
3 - Verify your ignition timing. You'll need to buy/borrow/rent a timing light for this. You can find an easy to follow how-to here.
4 - Can you explain to us why the sheet says your cat was "modified"? Did the tech offer to sell you a replacement gas cap, or at least explain why that particular part failed?
#46
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Idle is better. It's mostly the stalling now. If the car stalls the car starts right back up immediately. There's still a little shakeyness in the idle before it's about to stall but thats about it.
#47
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When the CEL comes on you can pull to the side of the road, leave the car running and short the service connector. It should give you the active blink codes.
If it stays solid, that is bad as usually (not always) a solid unblinking CEL light means the ECU is going bad or is bad.
For everyone else, please ignore the side bar going on (each other) and please just focus on the OP's issue. OP is doing well to follow advise and provide feedback as well as any additional observations as they occur.
Lets keep this on track and non distracting for the OP.
Thanks ahead of time.
If it stays solid, that is bad as usually (not always) a solid unblinking CEL light means the ECU is going bad or is bad.
For everyone else, please ignore the side bar going on (each other) and please just focus on the OP's issue. OP is doing well to follow advise and provide feedback as well as any additional observations as they occur.
Lets keep this on track and non distracting for the OP.
Thanks ahead of time.
#48
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This issue is really sounding like a failing coil and/or igniter. Since we don't want the OP to throw those expensive parts at it.. best to test both first. If, they test okay it's possible they could still be the issue.. either try to find them (or complete distributor) at a local junkyard or if you have a friend that you that has a 6th gen civic you can swap distributors with..go that route.
Last edited by Jimi Hondrix; 10-07-2015 at 11:28 AM.
#49
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This issue is really sounding like a failing coil and/or igniter. Since we don't want the OP to throw those expensive parts at it.. best to test both first. If, they test okay it's possible they could still be the issue.. either try to find them (or complete distributor) at a local junkyard or if you have a friend that you that has a 6th gen civic you can swap distributors with..go that route.
For this, I agree with you.
#50
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How about you quit shitting up someone else's thread with irrelevant ****. You're distracting the conversation, and risk confusing the OP.
Cut it out. If y'all want to bicker about diagnostics, make your own thread, so we can all tell you how wrong you are there.
Cut it out. If y'all want to bicker about diagnostics, make your own thread, so we can all tell you how wrong you are there.