2K16K20

Just curious on what people think about this engine? Turbo possibility?

Traum

Personally, I don't see any point in turbo-ing the K20C2. The factory already offers the L15B7 (1.5T engine), whatever they will offer in the Si, as well as an additional option in the CTR. It would be far less work for someone to jump straight into the 1.5T or Si cars, and get a lot more performance out of it. The K20C2-equipped cars are really meant to be basic, reliable, and comfy transportation for the masses.

2K16K20

But couldn't that be said about any non Si civic that's been out on the market prior to this new platform? Personally, I really like this engine (so far) and feels.. "meaty"? Not arguing at all, but I feel like there's potential with this engine (wishful thinking?) and just want to get a discussion going. Thanks for your input though!

Traum

Certainly the same thing could be said about any non-Si engines that has been out in the past. In this case, I'd say the difference is, prior to this generation, Honda hasn't really produced any factory turbo engines (the one off K23A1 not withstanding) for their cars. So if people wanted a lot of extra power, they have to do the heavy duty lifting and engineering themselves. But in this generation, we are already going to have at least 2 different factory turbo-ed engines, so the work involved to go down the turbo route becomes much simpler.

As far as potential is concerned, I am actually far more interested in how much additional (naturally aspirated) power can be squeezed out of the K20C2. Traditionally, K engines are very conservatively tuned from the factory. So if the same engine building / tuning trend continues with the K20C2, there should still be a lot of headroom remaining for people to tap into.

2K16K20

Hm, I never gave NA a second thought.. maybe you're right, and now I'm even more intrigued by this motor. Thanks Traum

safedriver

iTrader: (1)

Here are some fundamentals.
If you can't drive a stick shift, don't get anything less than a 6 cylinder car.
If you can't spend CTR money, don't settle for less than the SI.
If you must have an automatic 4 cylinder, never think that it will be anything close to quick.
There's a car in everyone's price range, even if it's a used 2008 Mugen Civic.

2K16K20

I love the way my civic sedan looks (plus baby on the way). I also like the fuel efficiency. BTW, it's also a manual

Traum

I wouldn't quite say these things, esp with today's technology.

A VW GTI (or god forbid, Golf R) is seriously quick, and they it can be had as a turbo 4 + DSG.

The K20C2 Civic is quite nice for what it is. It drives well even though it isn't especially sporty. Not everyone needs to drive a sporty car. And even non sporty cars can be a lot of fun to drive.

gmcuajo1

Don't know where you get those "fundamentals" but I think you dragged them from the 90's.

Here is a video of HONDATA running a new 2016 EX turbo with CVT against a 9th gen SI. All "gears" the new 1.5T is faster than the 9th gen. I don't really likes CVT's but there they are.
https://www.hondata.com/news/blogart29

About your K20 with ~158hp. Haven't look at them yet, but looks like the K20A3 of the 02-05 civic SI. They were good to go shopping. Honestly, if you have a 2016 with the K20 and want to go faster, buy an older car and mess with that. Left your new car running nice.

If you are thinking on buying one, go for the 1.5T. Aftermarket should support them very soon. If you still planning to mess with a 2016 K20, the first thing you should do is call HONDATA and find an ECU or programable. Without that you aren't going anywhere. After you have the programable go turbo. Don't spend a cent on going NA because with that money you buy another car.

And also the cheapest most affordable and funny way, NOS. You won't regret having the power you want with the touch of a button.
Its like magic.

tony_2018

I think the new civic ex-l is perfect for what I need in a daily, UNFORTUNATELY the recall has scared me.....

komat

the recall only affects the N/A engines. EX-L is the 1.5T

tony_2018

what? so on the civic ex-l is 1.5t and the rest of the line up, minus the civic si an type r, are the ones that have the issue, the k20c motors? Got it. phew...so the ex-l is the one to shoot for.

m_shake

Its only a certain number of cars affected. At this point you can't buy one from the dealer until its inspected, the dealer i work at has about 60 cars that need inspection.

m_shake

To OP, if you don't already own the new 2.0 civic wait a few more months, a manual 1.5T is coming. Do not waste your money on trying to make the k20c2 something is isn't.

tony_2018

To answer the OP's question on turbo'ing this motor:

You can turbo any car, it comes down to the tune.

2K16K20

Yeah, I thought about that but I didn't want a first generation motor albeit a first ever turbo motor so I stuck with what honda knows. Yes, I already have the 2.0L manual civic. Haven't pushed it yet (still doing the manufacturer recommended break in) but I have hit 4K rpm or so. This motor sounds pretty good for an economy car. Fun to drive too

Flr Power

I don't see why the K20C2 would not get turbocharged. After all, all of their NA engines have been turbo modded to success. Some NA engines have proven to be stronger than others but that's it. I think the 1.5T engine is useless. It just does not have enough power for a turbo engine.

junkyard racer

I think a lot of the big Honda R&D guys out there are all but struggling to continue, but one to really pay attention to is 4p Racing, from the great state of Indiana. They somewhat fly under the radar when it comes to the mainstream ear, but they put out some serious engines. Most of what they do is in the head.

Back in the late 90 to the mid-'00, it was GUDE, Endyne, JG, Rocket Motorsports, ERL, RS Machine (to name a few) who were big players in the North America aftermarket community who could really extract power from the B series and early K series engines. We will see if these guys make an appearance once again and what will become of these new engines.

You have to remember, the new engines are coming with fairly new technology. I'm 100% confident that once the new engines are out and in the hands of developers, they will become pretty insane. It will take time to get there though.

FWIW, Honda has already said this a lot of room for improvement in the already new R engine.

Lturbo2016

Was planning on waiting for the EX-T manual but I settled for auto but I have a coupe not a sedan . Good thing it's on a lease just gonna wait for the CTR

LUIS84

I have a 2019 civic sport 2.0L and I plan to put it in a turbo since it has a low displacement compression and I don't have to do any forging of pistons and rods I think it would withstand it and the kit only costs $2,800 dollars and of course it would accelerate more than it 1.5T let's not be ignorant let's be realistic look at the 2.0L turbo accord it's a family vehicle and it responds quite well so everyone who has a K20c2 don't take the opinions of heater and start their project like me and I already have a corduroy in miami What did the turbo guy do and the truth is that I loved it, it rides very hard and drives well, nice

Scott1130

Are you going to go standalone on the ecu? What turbo kit are you going to use, and what downpipe and exhaust are you gonna use? I was thinking about turboing too

wunfstgsr

I just purchased a 2020 LX and in S mode its pretty fun for a auto this new daily is not bad!, the 2.0 I-Vtec feels good! I'm also wondering what mods there might be for this engine..