03EM2guy

went down to the honda-tech meet in charleston this past weekend and decided to throw my car on the dyno to see what it would make ...i was pretty happy with the results, i was expecting 105-110.....

2003 d17a2 MT

power mods-
aem sri
aem lightweight pulleys
dc sports race header 4-2-1 (eliminates the cat)
apexi N1 cat back

feel free to use this as "its not worth your money, just kswap or turbo" evidence

+1 for puttin this in the noob FAQ

enjoy...

03EM2guy

i took my filter off for the last run to make that 2 extra hp

awang

i don't know your car really well, but maybe specify whether yours is a d17a1 or a d17a2, and also if it's an AT or MT.

03EM2guy

sorry didnt think about it thanks :fixed:

toyomatt84

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Added to the FAQ's.

04civicdx

hay i took my air filter of on my dyno run and got 2whp to lol i have a dx thought and just h/i/e and put down 114hp and 110wtq

awang

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 04civicdx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hay i took my air filter of on my dyno run and got 2whp to lol i have a dx thought and just h/i/e and put down 114hp and 110wtq </TD></TR></TABLE>

lol.

as much as i hate the movie tokyo drift, i'll have to borrow a line... "Wow. You can read the brochure. "

i am positive you did not go on a dyno...

Wikipedia:

D17A1

* Found in:
o 2001-2005 Honda Civic DX/LX/VP
+ Displacement : 1668 cm³
+ Bore and Stroke : 75 mm X 94.4 mm
+ Compression : 9.5:1
+ Power : 115 hp (86 kW) @ 6100 rpm & 110 ft·lbf @ 4500 rpm
+ Valvetrain : SOHC
+ Fuel Control : OBD-2 MPFI

the numbers on the window sticker isn't the HP that your actually getting to the wheels. you lose some of it due to the drivetrain... and also, having an auto doesn't help this.

devani

still that is power...that you can brag about...

K24_Y61P

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 03EM2guy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

2003 d17a2 MT

power mods-
aem sri
aem lightweight pulleys
dc sports race header 4-2-1 (eliminates the cat)
apexi N1 cat back

QUOTE]

[QUOTE=awang]

D17A1

* Found in:
o 2001-2005 Honda Civic DX/LX/VP
+ Displacement : 1668 cm³
+ Bore and Stroke : 75 mm X 94.4 mm
+ Compression : 9.5:1
+ Power : 115 hp (86 kW) @ 6100 rpm & 110 ft·lbf @ 4500 rpm
+ Valvetrain : SOHC
+ Fuel Control : OBD-2 MPFI

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Look up the correct engine next time. If he made 114whp and 109wtq on a A1, our cars would be extremly efficeint on getting power down.

1llmatic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ajgrosch716 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Look up the correct engine next time. If he made 114whp and 109wtq on a A1, our cars would be extremly efficeint on getting power down.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think you should read the thread more carefully before you try to flame.

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2003 d17a2 MT

power mods-
aem sri
aem lightweight pulleys
dc sports race header 4-2-1 (eliminates the cat)
apexi N1 cat back
</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 04civicdx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hay i took my air filter of on my dyno run and got 2whp to lol i have a dx thought and just h/i/e and put down 114hp and 110wtq </TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by awang &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

lol.

as much as i hate the movie tokyo drift, i'll have to borrow a line... "Wow. You can read the brochure. "

i am positive you did not go on a dyno...

Wikipedia:

D17A1

* Found in:
o 2001-2005 Honda Civic DX/LX/VP
+ Displacement : 1668 cm³
+ Bore and Stroke : 75 mm X 94.4 mm
+ Compression : 9.5:1
+ Power : 115 hp (86 kW) @ 6100 rpm & 110 ft·lbf @ 4500 rpm
+ Valvetrain : SOHC
+ Fuel Control : OBD-2 MPFI

the numbers on the window sticker isn't the HP that your actually getting to the wheels. you lose some of it due to the drivetrain... and also, having an auto doesn't help this. </TD></TR></TABLE>

fventura03

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by devani &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">still that is power...that you can brag about...</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah, for some reason, i don't think 114whp is something to brag about... but that's just me.

03EM2guy

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1llmatic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I think you should read the thread more carefully before you try to flame.
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i think we were saying that there is no way he got 114/110 out of an a1 w/ i/h/e when i have an a2 w/ i/h/e/pulleys and got 114/109 thus saying he pulled that from the 'brochure'

i think im kinda confused


long story short

roost

I don't see why or how this post would be beneficial at all. Maybe if it contained a stock dyno if his car and than a dyno with all his mods on the same dyno to show a increase or decrease in power.

Every dyno runs a different number.

example:
Guy with 05' sti goes on dynojet puts down 280whp/290tq stock
guy with 05' sti goes on mustang dyno puts down 220whp/223tq stock

way different numbers, but theortically the "same".

Hell we could see a guy put down 140whp/130tq with a i/h/e but does that mean he'll be faster than a stock em2 or if he just got a run on a high reading dyno.

Newborn_

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by roost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't see why or how this post would be beneficial at all.... </TD></TR></TABLE>

You know what? I honestly dont see why YOU are beneficial at all.

He posted it because he wanted to share something he did with his car. People do things like that on forums. Hey, maybe some people might be interested in this just as a matter of curiosity! ZOMG!

And yeah, we suspected that dyno readouts vary... phew! Thanks for confirming that for us. I honestly don't know where we'd be without you.

Curiouz_G

this forum is so filled with sarcasm it makes my day complete

roost

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EM2_UK#1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You know what? I honestly dont see why YOU are beneficial at all.

He posted it because he wanted to share something he did with his car. People do things like that on forums. Hey, maybe some people might be interested in this just as a matter of curiosity! ZOMG!

And yeah, we suspected that dyno readouts vary... phew! Thanks for confirming that for us. I honestly don't know where we'd be without you. </TD></TR></TABLE>

where as my proof had facts, yours has none yet you assume YOU'RE beneficial?

Someone sounds a little butt hurt over the internet

It's a highly "debatable" topic on many car forums of dynos, about how they should be used not as measuring how much HP you have but how much HP you have increased over your baseline due to mods.

I'd be more interested in comparing his baseline dyno vs the one now, at the same location.

daddy

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do you do anything but be a pain in the ***? god im glad i live a long ways away from you.

DsevenEm2

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by roost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't see why or how this post would be beneficial at all. Maybe if it contained a stock dyno if his car and than a dyno with all his mods on the same dyno to show a increase or decrease in power.

Every dyno runs a different number.

example:
Guy with 05' sti goes on dynojet puts down 280whp/290tq stock
guy with 05' sti goes on mustang dyno puts down 220whp/223tq stock

way different numbers, but theortically the "same".

Hell we could see a guy put down 140whp/130tq with a i/h/e but does that mean he'll be faster than a stock em2 or if he just got a run on a high reading dyno.</TD></TR></TABLE>

im wondering what your post would have looked like if someone else had made a thread about their fully built and turbo'd d17 making 300 something whp... with a dyno sheet and all... would u seriously go ahead and write a post that says.. i dont see how this is beneficial? did u see what OP posted? its just proof that the benefit of bolt ons is very low and k or turbo is the way. its just proof for any noob that comes in asking about bolt ons.. it was thrown into the FAQ... we arent talking subes or some insanly powered car. its just the D with a few bolt ons.. like someone said before.. i dont think anything you post is beneficial at all.. you're a moron.

recaroem2

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DsevenEm2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

im wondering what your post would have looked like if someone else had made a thread about their fully built and turbo'd d17 making 300 something whp... with a dyno sheet and all... would u seriously go ahead and write a post that says.. i dont see how this is beneficial? did u see what OP posted? its just proof that the benefit of bolt ons is very low and k or turbo is the way. its just proof for any noob that comes in asking about bolt ons.. it was thrown into the FAQ... we arent talking subes or some insanly powered car. its just the D with a few bolt ons.. like someone said before.. i dont think anything you post is beneficial at all.. you're a moron. </TD></TR></TABLE>
could not have said that better myself!! you= ftw

da1lydr1ver

I know that every dyno reads differently, but for what its worth, heres mine...

2002 Civic EX MT
Mods:
DC Sports 4-2-1 Race Header (same as OP)
'02 RSX-S axleback
K&N FIPK 2 Intake

The dyno was also a dynojet







I made 119 WHP and 112 WTQ, not too shabby.


i also have a Crower Stage 1 Cam BNIB for sale if you're interested in making a few more ponies. PM me if interested. (yea, that was a plug on my part, but can you blame me? )

toyomatt84

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Very little spiking at all. That's a good readout. As is, my car's dyno sheets don't look nearly as clean as those. No worries, since it's getting some modification.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by roost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't see why or how this post would be beneficial at all. Maybe if it contained a stock dyno if his car and than a dyno with all his mods on the same dyno to show a increase or decrease in power.

Every dyno runs a different number.

example:
Guy with 05' sti goes on dynojet puts down 280whp/290tq stock
guy with 05' sti goes on mustang dyno puts down 220whp/223tq stock

way different numbers, but theortically the "same".

Hell we could see a guy put down 140whp/130tq with a i/h/e but does that mean he'll be faster than a stock em2 or if he just got a run on a high reading dyno.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'd like to know what type of runs were being made to get that big of a variance. I've heard of a 5-8% variance between dyno companies, but 32% is a serious extreme.

roost

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by toyomatt84 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Very little spiking at all. That's a good readout. As is, my car's dyno sheets don't look nearly as clean as those. No worries, since it's getting some modification.

I'd like to know what type of runs were being made to get that big of a variance. I've heard of a 5-8% variance between dyno companies, but 32% is a serious extreme.</TD></TR></TABLE>

IIRC of the top of my head one was a dynojet at AMS and the other a mustang elsewhere, i'll try and find some dyno proof searching the boards.

You guys are taking what i said wrong, and i did rubb of mean in this post. My intent was without a baseline i just find this not faq worthy.

Curiouz_G

yea, for once, i think that he means it (he wasnt trying to be a jackass ). he basically just meant that there isnt a before dyno so he wouldnt know how much ower he had made after those bolt ons.

03EM2guy

hold on let me post up my stock dyno....<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DsevenEm2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

im wondering what your post would have looked like if someone else had made a thread about their fully built and turbo'd d17 making 300 something whp... with a dyno sheet and all... would u seriously go ahead and write a post that says.. i dont see how this is beneficial? did u see what OP posted? its just proof that the benefit of bolt ons is very low and k or turbo is the way. its just proof for any noob that comes in asking about bolt ons.. it was thrown into the FAQ... we arent talking subes or some insanly powered car. its just the D with a few bolt ons.. like someone said before.. i dont think anything you post is beneficial at all.. you're a moron. </TD></TR></TABLE>

thanks i was gonna say just that i love you

horchata

dyno charts should be taken with a grain of salt. dynos are MUCH better to use for determining how much power you've gained with certain mods.