rocrunr

I was going to use a 1998 accord and automatic in my rockcrawler. Is this do able and has anyone had some experience with this? Is 98 the best year to use ? need your imput. Thanks Rocrunr

Sketch o5

well, the autos in the 98-02 accords are all garbage, i4 or v6. and from what ive heard, i dont think an auto is the best for a rock crawler?

wolfy47

the autos from those years are dogshit....the engine is great if you want to boost without having to build it, but if you want to go N/A i would use a H22

jhammond_82

iTrader: (1)

because of the amount of posts you have, and the date you became a member, i'm gonna have to call on this one...

cstone

ummm.... what? you realize that accords are FWD not 4WD right? well even though i am pretty sure you aren't serious about this. i'll answer your question. GO BUY A JEEP AND GTFO!!!

racebum

buuuut the f22 trannies are only $200 each for the JDM replacements. once nice perk to a really heavy trans that frequently dies.

wolfy47

thats cool....so this isnt one of the major factors of why most the 6th gen accord owners do the trans swap other than just wanting to have a standard???

jhammond_82

iTrader: (1)

i belive i was speaking in reference to the op. check his post count now....

MAD_MIKE

Well, he did state 'rock crawler'. Albeit hes talking about a cage with wheels and ridiculous suspension travel. IIRC Saturn/Ecotec drivetrains are used. Mount the engine transmission 90* from transverse to longitudinal. Rather than having a long powertrain engine>trans>transfer case>d shafts. He can have a rather simple power pack layout. Connect two driveshafts to where the axleshafts would normally go. Allowing for the engine to be mounted in the center of the vehicle.

As for the OPs question regarding the AT. I have no idea how much abuse the FD in the AT can take from the backfeed of shock loads from two axles slipping and catching on terrain. Also don't forget, Hondas (except S2000) engines run counter-clockwise. So you will have to have the front of the engine facing back.

keoni96764

sorry if i sound like a dick but off road accord???????????????? Your making the accords look bad. sell it and get a off road truck.

cstone

Yeah i guess it is possible... but that doesnt make it a good idea by any means. I cant imagine a trans designed for FWD would be even slightly reliable if converted to AWD (this is my speculation only i have not and would not try this). And besides that lets all be realistic and admit that these engines and especially the AT's arent exactly torque monsters.... Not saying that some people on here havent put down really nice numbers with their built engines but i'm pretty sure no one has stepped into the realm of rock crawler torque.

O/P as it appears you have realized you are in the wrong forum for this. Try posting this in a rock crawler forum. Maybe someone out there has done it already and could prove me wrong. It just seems like a pointless project to me. Why not buy something that at least comes stock with 4WD or AWD and preferably a decent amount of suspension travel. I dont even want to think about the amount of fab work it would take to turn an Accord into a rock crawler.

philadd

You might want to re-read the OP's post. He's talking about putting an Accord motor and tranny into a rockcrawler, not use the Accord chassis for off-roading.

rocrunr,
There was someone else on here who used an F-series motor in their rockcrawler (don't remember if it was an F22 or F23), although I don't remember what transmission they used. I believe they started a thread asking about ECUs, but I don't remember. You might want to try finding that thread and talking to that user.

On a side note, the F23 is the 4-cylinder motor that came in 98-02 Accords, and F22 variants came in 90-97 Accords.

bigsnorlax

So because he's a new member to the forum, he has to by lying?

cstone

i believe he was refering to the fact that he still only has 1 post. not just that it was his first post. my guess is that yes he is lying. but even if he isn't i see no reason to do something like this. there are much better engines/trans combos for this application. like um... say one that is built with 4WD in mind. my opinion is that if you dont have the no how to do this build then it isnt worth asking about. because it probably isnt within your abilities. "do able" to some people on here is probably not even within your realm of understanding yet alone executing.

can a mod please lock this thead? the OP hasn't even posted on another thread since his first post yet alone this one.

1st_mk1

Flame suit is on being that this is my first post here. This can be done, has been done, and works with great success. All this talk about not being a good idea, not reading the OP post, here is a thread to shut all you up and help out the OP.

http://www.offroadfabnet.com/forums/...ead.php?t=5498

cstone

Flame suite is not necessary. People here are pretty friendly to newcomers who can put a coherent post together. Thanks for the info. If the OP is actually considering something like this i think he may be better off on a forum like the one you posted. I dont think anyone (and if so not many) have any experience in doing something like this.

I personally apologize. I think we all took it kinda how the ITR guys do when someone comes in asking "can i haz ITR too? i haz ls and some type-R lips!"

jhammond_82

iTrader: (1)

i don't recall calling him a liar. but, he hasn't chimed in any of his thoughts on HIS thread..still? notice how far this thread HASN'T gone? i'm not the only person not taking him serious. /thread

1st_mk1

I totally understand where you guys are coming from calling BS. I have just seen done what he is asking about so I am trying to help. And I thing his question was warranted, especially since this is an accord forum and he is planning to use the drive train out of one. I probably wouldn't come back and ask any more questions with the responses he got.

Thanks for the reassurance, I am seriously thinking about getting out of the vw world so I have been lurking around...

MAD_MIKE

Where better to find out about Accord drivetrains than in the Accord forum of Honda-Tech
I wouldn't lock the thread, it's not like it has turned into a festering cesspool of childish antics or pointless posts.
If anything the weak points of the '98 A/T may yet to be addressed. Rather than 'Accord automatics are 'teh sucky'!11' answer, someone must know what fails in the A/Ts, clutches/bands/TC/etc. Outside of high mileage and abuse of course.
So, getting this back on track...

What are the weak points of the '98 A/T in Accords? What causes them to fail. And are there known issues to address to improve the durability of the unit?

Bwill9886

I remember that thread as I believe I even commented on it. I'm trying to find it now.

And as 1st_mk1 said, this HAS been done before. It will probably still be done in the future.

Bwill9886

Here is the thread I was refering to about an F23 in a rockcrawler.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...rockcrawler%3F

Guy even wanted to turbo the thing. Hope this helps at all.

1st_mk1

Here is one more thread with a few buggies that have used honda motors. Hope some of this helps out.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...php?p=10671218

cstone

I think many took his post as I did. It sounded like he wanted to actually turn an accord into a rock crawler, and that would be a rediculous idea (possible i'm sure but not worth it in any way IMO.) Now that I understand what it is he wanted to do it makes sense. I hope someone can point out the weak points in the A/Ts it would not only be usefull for this application but also the people who would just like a reliable auto accord. I guess it was kinda the way he worded it. would have made a lot more sence and I dont think he would have gotten the response he did.

Glad to hear that you are thinking about the honda world. If you jump in I hope this forum can be of assistance to you, I know it has helped me a lot.

Eighty-Nyne

90% of the replies from honda-tech members here have been complete ****.

I'm embarrassed.

notAdiesel

haha agreed. if you're gonna bash someone at least give some useful info.. he probably joined the HONDA forum because he had a question specifically about a HONDA motor.. hence the first post.

idk why you would pick this combo, except for it being lightweight and you probably got it for free, but do the math and see how much extra it would cost to fab everything up.. there's 4 cylinder truck motors that are probably a lottt easier to match up to a gearbox with 4x4, and have more torque