F22b1 Turbo Build
12-06-2010, 08:02 PM
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Re: F22b1 Turbo Build
It never hurts to be safe... Plus with these parts you can bump up your boost later if you want to.
I'm in the 180k range so I have a build in the plan if this f22 goes. It's pretty similar to yours and good for more than 270whp for sure.
I'm in the 180k range so I have a build in the plan if this f22 goes. It's pretty similar to yours and good for more than 270whp for sure.
12-07-2010, 02:03 PM
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I dont see no waste.
F22's can see 300hp stock but its a matter of time until the ringlands go.
You can say he should have got this motor and that head but THAT COSTS money, where the f22b1 he's building probably came out of his car.
bored stock sleeves, forged pistons, forged rods, new bearings, thrust washer, arp studs, you should be able to handle a lot more than 270whp.
F22's can see 300hp stock but its a matter of time until the ringlands go.
You can say he should have got this motor and that head but THAT COSTS money, where the f22b1 he's building probably came out of his car.
bored stock sleeves, forged pistons, forged rods, new bearings, thrust washer, arp studs, you should be able to handle a lot more than 270whp.
12-07-2010, 02:39 PM
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I dont see no waste.
F22's can see 300hp stock but its a matter of time until the ringlands go.
You can say he should have got this motor and that head but THAT COSTS money, where the f22b1 he's building probably came out of his car.
bored stock sleeves, forged pistons, forged rods, new bearings, thrust washer, arp studs, you should be able to handle a lot more than 270whp.
F22's can see 300hp stock but its a matter of time until the ringlands go.
You can say he should have got this motor and that head but THAT COSTS money, where the f22b1 he's building probably came out of his car.
bored stock sleeves, forged pistons, forged rods, new bearings, thrust washer, arp studs, you should be able to handle a lot more than 270whp.
I have another question, what about the axles and the tranny? Should they hold up pretty good under alot of power?
12-07-2010, 03:43 PM
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Stock axles will not like your new found power. However, most parts stores have a lifetime warranty on stock replacements so... you buy one set and you are basically good from there on. Besides, if you don't beat on it everyday, the OEM spec axles will last a decent amount of time.
You can go aftermarket and get stronger ones, but to me they aren't worth it on a street-build that isn't going to see more than occasional track abuse. Plus, they don't typically play nice with transmissions.
12-08-2010, 01:12 PM
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12-08-2010, 01:19 PM
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12-08-2010, 03:05 PM
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not sure. It would be nice for the turbo guys though to use racing axles made for the lude
12-08-2010, 04:28 PM
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Hi.
Stock H axles out of a 4th or fifth gen lude will hold anything your F is going to throw at it. You'll need the Prelude int shaft too ;O) You MAY need a washer on the pass side under the axle nut due to the "longer" splining of the lude axles.
Mine have taken 650 WHP with the SHEEEEET beat out of them for 3 years. Over a hundred dyno pulls and a few trips to the tack in the 10s at over 130 MPH in the 1/4 mile. I finally replaced one because it was leaking at the boot. They are MUCH bigger inside the joint cups. Now they are surviving 750/575 :O)
DO NOT USE AFTERRMARKET VATOZONE SCHUCKS ETC AXLES. THEY WILL BREAK. THEY HAVE TO BE OEM HONDA AXLES. Find a clean 97-99 lude and grab the axles out of it. If OEM, They will be painted a deep navy Blue, with either yellow, blue, or green rings around the middle of the shaft(s)
FWIW I made 305 307 on a bone stock F22b1 in like 05 for a year and a half or so on a motor that had 140K on it when I started. It held the number 2 stock block HT power record for an F behinf TWKD95CD5 for a good minute. I ran the stock accord axles in it and never had an issue.
Stock H axles out of a 4th or fifth gen lude will hold anything your F is going to throw at it. You'll need the Prelude int shaft too ;O) You MAY need a washer on the pass side under the axle nut due to the "longer" splining of the lude axles.
Mine have taken 650 WHP with the SHEEEEET beat out of them for 3 years. Over a hundred dyno pulls and a few trips to the tack in the 10s at over 130 MPH in the 1/4 mile. I finally replaced one because it was leaking at the boot. They are MUCH bigger inside the joint cups. Now they are surviving 750/575 :O)
DO NOT USE AFTERRMARKET VATOZONE SCHUCKS ETC AXLES. THEY WILL BREAK. THEY HAVE TO BE OEM HONDA AXLES. Find a clean 97-99 lude and grab the axles out of it. If OEM, They will be painted a deep navy Blue, with either yellow, blue, or green rings around the middle of the shaft(s)
FWIW I made 305 307 on a bone stock F22b1 in like 05 for a year and a half or so on a motor that had 140K on it when I started. It held the number 2 stock block HT power record for an F behinf TWKD95CD5 for a good minute. I ran the stock accord axles in it and never had an issue.
04-20-2011, 08:12 PM
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Re: F22b1 Turbo Build
Progress is being made! Got the motor in the car today and now all I have left is all the small billions of crap to finish up. If im lucky, will be able to go and take a looooooooooong joy ride either saturday or sunday. As far as the turbo set up goes I still need a t25 mani, injectors, fuel pump, front mount and piping, and hondata. Possibly some other misc. crap so if anyone has some stuff sitting around let me know. I may be interested. Anyway here are pics...
04-21-2011, 03:27 AM
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04-21-2011, 11:47 AM
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Looks good, love to see build threads. Should be a plenty solid short block for only 270whp, and then some in the future. 
I made 335whp on a totally bone stock motor valve cover to pan for a good while (a year or so), probably could have gone a little farther but I had already maxed out the injectors. Ultimately that would come back to bite me, boost spike to 20+ psi when it blew off a vac line, naturally it leaned out, detonated, and cracked a ring landing. my fault for not giving myself enough injector headroom or having a boost cut... this was many years ago though. Learned that lesson and have not repeated it.
As suggested above definately pick up a set of ARP head studs (the ARP h23 head stud set).
The f22b1 is poor mouthed quite a bit compared to the f22ax head... which no doubt the f22a head flows well and has great valve geometry but the f22b1 is no slouch imo. I would not worry about the head holding you back from your goal or well beyond. Trust me.
The stock b1 intake is a turd, small plenum longer runners... yea not the most well suited to boost. Although for only 270whp it will not hurt you all that much, you could swap to a f23 intake and its certainly a better intake for boost (larger plenum shorter runners). It will help you get to your goal a little easier but is not critical at that power level imo.
Stock accord axles and transmission will hold up fine, I mean you can break anything if you drive like an idiot of course but driven like a normal person or even pretty aggressively your good.
Maybe I missed where you mentioned it, what management are you planning?
I made 335whp on a totally bone stock motor valve cover to pan for a good while (a year or so), probably could have gone a little farther but I had already maxed out the injectors. Ultimately that would come back to bite me, boost spike to 20+ psi when it blew off a vac line, naturally it leaned out, detonated, and cracked a ring landing. my fault for not giving myself enough injector headroom or having a boost cut... this was many years ago though. Learned that lesson and have not repeated it.
As suggested above definately pick up a set of ARP head studs (the ARP h23 head stud set).
The f22b1 is poor mouthed quite a bit compared to the f22ax head... which no doubt the f22a head flows well and has great valve geometry but the f22b1 is no slouch imo. I would not worry about the head holding you back from your goal or well beyond. Trust me.
The stock b1 intake is a turd, small plenum longer runners... yea not the most well suited to boost. Although for only 270whp it will not hurt you all that much, you could swap to a f23 intake and its certainly a better intake for boost (larger plenum shorter runners). It will help you get to your goal a little easier but is not critical at that power level imo.
Stock accord axles and transmission will hold up fine, I mean you can break anything if you drive like an idiot of course but driven like a normal person or even pretty aggressively your good.
Maybe I missed where you mentioned it, what management are you planning?
04-21-2011, 04:32 PM
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Looks good, love to see build threads. Should be a plenty solid short block for only 270whp, and then some in the future.
I made 335whp on a totally bone stock motor valve cover to pan for a good while (a year or so), probably could have gone a little farther but I had already maxed out the injectors. Ultimately that would come back to bite me, boost spike to 20+ psi when it blew off a vac line, naturally it leaned out, detonated, and cracked a ring landing. my fault for not giving myself enough injector headroom or having a boost cut... this was many years ago though. Learned that lesson and have not repeated it.
As suggested above definately pick up a set of ARP head studs (the ARP h23 head stud set).
The f22b1 is poor mouthed quite a bit compared to the f22ax head... which no doubt the f22a head flows well and has great valve geometry but the f22b1 is no slouch imo. I would not worry about the head holding you back from your goal or well beyond. Trust me.
The stock b1 intake is a turd, small plenum longer runners... yea not the most well suited to boost. Although for only 270whp it will not hurt you all that much, you could swap to a f23 intake and its certainly a better intake for boost (larger plenum shorter runners). It will help you get to your goal a little easier but is not critical at that power level imo.
Stock accord axles and transmission will hold up fine, I mean you can break anything if you drive like an idiot of course but driven like a normal person or even pretty aggressively your good.
Maybe I missed where you mentioned it, what management are you planning?
I made 335whp on a totally bone stock motor valve cover to pan for a good while (a year or so), probably could have gone a little farther but I had already maxed out the injectors. Ultimately that would come back to bite me, boost spike to 20+ psi when it blew off a vac line, naturally it leaned out, detonated, and cracked a ring landing. my fault for not giving myself enough injector headroom or having a boost cut... this was many years ago though. Learned that lesson and have not repeated it.
As suggested above definately pick up a set of ARP head studs (the ARP h23 head stud set).
The f22b1 is poor mouthed quite a bit compared to the f22ax head... which no doubt the f22a head flows well and has great valve geometry but the f22b1 is no slouch imo. I would not worry about the head holding you back from your goal or well beyond. Trust me.
The stock b1 intake is a turd, small plenum longer runners... yea not the most well suited to boost. Although for only 270whp it will not hurt you all that much, you could swap to a f23 intake and its certainly a better intake for boost (larger plenum shorter runners). It will help you get to your goal a little easier but is not critical at that power level imo.
Stock accord axles and transmission will hold up fine, I mean you can break anything if you drive like an idiot of course but driven like a normal person or even pretty aggressively your good.
Maybe I missed where you mentioned it, what management are you planning?
What size injectors did you use? Also what size turbo where you using?
Thanks for all the info though. Im almost done just gotta finish up the wiring and hoses which are annoying as crap but whatever. But man i will definitely keep this updated and im sure i will have more questions so check back on me everyone once in a while.
04-22-2011, 07:19 AM
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Good deal you will be very happy with the s300, thats what I am on these days as well. Great management.
I assume your going to swap to a p28 ecu with the s300? If so you may already know this but just in case... you need to swap a6 and a11 pins on the harness at the ecu. Very trivial and simple thing to do.
That was a long time back but I was using dsm 450cc injectors (lol, pushed to the max), s200 (s300 wasn't around back then yet), 60-1 garrett turbo .63 a/r t3 housed hotside, etc.
Its been through a good number of changes since then... still rocking an f22b1 though.
The f23 intake swap is pretty simple but fair warning as said above you need a blacktrax or similar idle air control adapter to retrofit the 2-pin f22b1 iac. I actually had to use a pair of them on my car to make it work, basically remote mounting the iac. It would not clear my aftermarket throttle body directly mounted to the adapter. I am not sure if it will clear a normal stock throttle body cause I never bothered. Also you need to make a new throttle cable bracket. I tried a prelude, couple different accord, and even a civic bracket... none would work for me. Lastly you have to extend your intake air temperature sensor wiring slightly as the f23 intake puts the sensor in the end of the intake driver side unlike the f22b1 intake. Some other simple things like bracket mounting and whatnot change slightly but thats all easy to deal with. (OH if you still have that intake manifold support bracket, its junk toss it.)
Like I said though, you will not have to swap to the f23 intake to get to your goal or even for a little ways beyond it. I would not go out of your way to find one right now, but when you do spot one for cheap it would help.
I assume your going to swap to a p28 ecu with the s300? If so you may already know this but just in case... you need to swap a6 and a11 pins on the harness at the ecu. Very trivial and simple thing to do.
That was a long time back but I was using dsm 450cc injectors (lol, pushed to the max), s200 (s300 wasn't around back then yet), 60-1 garrett turbo .63 a/r t3 housed hotside, etc.
Its been through a good number of changes since then... still rocking an f22b1 though.
The f23 intake swap is pretty simple but fair warning as said above you need a blacktrax or similar idle air control adapter to retrofit the 2-pin f22b1 iac. I actually had to use a pair of them on my car to make it work, basically remote mounting the iac. It would not clear my aftermarket throttle body directly mounted to the adapter. I am not sure if it will clear a normal stock throttle body cause I never bothered. Also you need to make a new throttle cable bracket. I tried a prelude, couple different accord, and even a civic bracket... none would work for me. Lastly you have to extend your intake air temperature sensor wiring slightly as the f23 intake puts the sensor in the end of the intake driver side unlike the f22b1 intake. Some other simple things like bracket mounting and whatnot change slightly but thats all easy to deal with. (OH if you still have that intake manifold support bracket, its junk toss it.)
Like I said though, you will not have to swap to the f23 intake to get to your goal or even for a little ways beyond it. I would not go out of your way to find one right now, but when you do spot one for cheap it would help.
09-11-2012, 08:11 PM
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So how did the build end up? I know I'm a little late but after reading all this I'm curious cuz I'm starting my f22b1 turbo build as well in my 94 accord. So if anyone has heard let me know. Thanks
12-18-2012, 09:11 PM
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Sorry so late man but I have pretty much got everything ready to go but two things. I need a daily and Im thinking of reworking my head with a cam from bisi and new valve train. Its def a process and I've learned patience but hopefully by mid spring i will have a video posted.
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Yea man it is cold and trust. I could use all the help I can get.
Lets see though. I debating on whether or not I want to rebuild the head and purchase a bisi cam. I will eventually either way. If not that right away then number 1! I need to get my potential daily running which is a talon tsi. Im just going to replace the head on that and pray that it runs like a champ. If not i will get something else. But once I have another daily the last few purchases i need to make will be: IC piping (probably have and exhaust shop do it), 3 bar map, wide band sensor, reinforce mounts or purchase new ones, downpipe annnnnnnd I think thats about it.
Lets see though. I debating on whether or not I want to rebuild the head and purchase a bisi cam. I will eventually either way. If not that right away then number 1! I need to get my potential daily running which is a talon tsi. Im just going to replace the head on that and pray that it runs like a champ. If not i will get something else. But once I have another daily the last few purchases i need to make will be: IC piping (probably have and exhaust shop do it), 3 bar map, wide band sensor, reinforce mounts or purchase new ones, downpipe annnnnnnd I think thats about it.