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Old 04-06-2009, 07:55 AM   #1
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I got a honda accord 1991 and i want to make some cheap tricks to my engine just to enjoy.... can you tell me some tricks???
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Thanks I appreciate it!!!
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.... can you tell me some tricks???
Ill sell you some "cheap tricks". She`s on the corner of Main St. & Robinson. OKC. 50$ an hour.
Deal?

Get some piston return springs on the beast. 200hp I PROMISE!

On a real note.
Im not sure I would put "Cheap" and "Engine" in the same sentence.
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Ill sell you some "cheap tricks". She`s on the corner of Main St. & Robinson. OKC. 50$ an hour.
Deal?

Get some piston return springs on the beast. 200hp I PROMISE!

On a real note.
Im not sure I would put "Cheap" and "Engine" in the same sentence.
my engine is stock n i just want to make some tricks that i could do by myself!!!
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What kind of tricks do you want man?
There is no hockus pockus shinanigans.

Clean your air filter or buy a new one.
Make sure you have decent spark plugs.
Good condition plug wires.
Good battery.
Make sure your tires are in good condition.

I dont know dude? What do you want? There a plenty of tricks you can do to get more HP out of a modded engine. But if you want to get 100hp from casting a spell on a STOCK CAR its not gonna happen.
It takes money or know-how to make power kid. If you have the know-how you can buy "cheap" parts and do it yourself.
If you dont, you can buy "cheap" parts pay somebody to install them and when they "break" or "take a $#!t" on you they will need to be replaced.

Do it right the first time.
Do some RESEARCH!
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What kind of tricks do you want man?
There is no hockus pockus shinanigans.

Clean your air filter or buy a new one.
Make sure you have decent spark plugs.
Good condition plug wires.
Good battery.
Make sure your tires are in good condition.

I dont know dude? What do you want? There a plenty of tricks you can do to get more HP out of a modded engine. But if you want to get 100hp from casting a spell on a STOCK CAR its not gonna happen.
It takes money or know-how to make power kid. If you have the know-how you can buy "cheap" parts and do it yourself.
If you dont, you can buy "cheap" parts pay somebody to install them and when they "break" or "take a $#!t" on you they will need to be replaced.

Do it right the first time.
Do some RESEARCH!

ok son... this is what i want to do.. i want to put a f22b head on my f22a6 block.... and i live on florida and whats btter a short ram intake or a cold air intake????
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CAI vs SRI?
It has been debated over and over. Its up to you man.
CAI, gets colder air with a more stock sound.
SRI, it whistles and it doesnt make as much hp. (a whole 1 MMMAAAYYYBBBEEE 2hp) lol
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about a 1 horsepower difference sounds right to me lol
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ohhh ok but i did a research and whe i live it rains everuday so the cai it harmful. but ill see thank you!!!!
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or you could get a two piece CAI and get a AEM bypass valve
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many people with cb7's use the f22a4 exhaust manifold and the A pipe. the tubular shape "header" that the f22a4 uses is a good flowing "header". I believe I have heard that it is very compatible to dc headers for the cb7's. I have an f22a1 motor with f22a6 intake manifold, f22a6 camshaft, and the pt6 ecu and the f22a4 "header". it runs a lot stronger than the stock f22a1 obviously. also, you can use the h23 upper portion of the intake manifold and mate it to your f22a6 runner. you are going to have to use the h23 t body of course.
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many people with cb7's use the f22a4 exhaust manifold and the A pipe. the tubular shape "header" that the f22a4 uses is a good flowing "header". I believe I have heard that it is very compatible to dc headers for the cb7's. I have an f22a1 motor with f22a6 intake manifold, f22a6 camshaft, and the pt6 ecu and the f22a4 "header". it runs a lot stronger than the stock f22a1 obviously. also, you can use the h23 upper portion of the intake manifold and mate it to your f22a6 runner. you are going to have to use the h23 t body of course.
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is it true that also the f22a6 cam out of a stock accord NON VTEC is more aggressive and is said to be good for another few ponies, possible to find for 40-50 maybe a little more.
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is it true that also the f22a6 cam out of a stock accord NON VTEC is more aggressive and is said to be good for another few ponies, possible to find for 40-50 maybe a little more.
Yes. The cam is more aggressive so you'll need the valve springs from the f22a6 to compensate. You mate that with the h23 intake and some cheep ebay headers or the exhaust manifold on the f22a6 and you bring It from 125hp to 140hp. Oh. And the cpu I think it's a pt6. One other thing u need. I can't remember but I'll look it up.
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STOP LOL! Have you actually checked what engine you have? Read the dam block 1991's didn't have the F22A6 if you have a ex its F22A4 if you have dx,lx its F22A1
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I thought the 1991 SE had the F22A6, the EX has the F22A4 - meaning it doesn't have the variable intake, A6 cam, or ECU tuning. 130 HP stock.

Just take care of your car. Without serious $$, its never going to be that fast. It CAN be a reliable, tossable, good handling, fun to drive car that gets good fuel economy as long as you keep up the maintenance.

You can get essentially a short-ram intake by buying a cone filter w/ a 3" ID and a piece of 2" ID PVC tubing. Use some friction tape to build up the tubing as needed. Remove the airbox, install the tubing, then clamp the filter onto the tubing. Will it give more power? MAYBE 1-2 hp. But it's going to be about the same as a complete short-ram kit for less money, and it will make the intake really loud.

That made me think - Can the dual-path intake plenum be installed on a F22A1/A4 motor without other mods? I'm guessing the intake plenum is worth around 5 HP and a broader torque curve.
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If a 1991 HONDA ACCORD SE is what you have they too came with the F22A4 correct me if I'm wrong but the F22A6's were 92-93 only. Please check your engine stamp on the block and post what engine you have because it will vary what you can do with it performance wise.
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Sorry First post. WTF?? My wifes 91 accord has a f22a6 under the hood. Im so confused.. 4 door. full leather, cruise, auto, sunroof. Runs like ****. 321,700 miles. Im interested in something to do with this Briggs and Stratton mill.

Side note: i've been drinking and come across this thread. Freaked out about the f22a6 being not available in the 91 model. Excuse My Stupidness.
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Yes. The cam is more aggressive so you'll need the valve springs from the f22a6 to compensate. You mate that with the h23 intake and some cheep ebay headers or the exhaust manifold on the f22a6 and you bring It from 125hp to 140hp. Oh. And the cpu I think it's a pt6. One other thing u need. I can't remember but I'll look it up.
Can you confirm this firsthand? Im fighting f22a1/6 complications now. Using the f22a1 block/head...with a6 cam but using the stock a1 springs.
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Can you confirm this firsthand? Im fighting f22a1/6 complications now. Using the f22a1 block/head...with a6 cam but using the stock a1 springs.
New to accords, but from what I've researched, the A6 head had the better cam, and stiffer valve springs due to the more aggressive cam. Probably want to get some A6 valve springs to go with the cam.

And btw, the EX Wagon in 91 DID INDEED come with a F22A6. Mine has one, and has not been swapped as it was a company car for about 180K miles for some medical company.
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I am not new to Hondas, nor am I new to parts catalogs.

According to the Honda parts catalog there was no SE Accord in 1991.
The cam found in an f22a4 is used in the following cars (these all use the same valve springs):
1992-1996 Prelude S F22a1
1990-1991 ALL accords (f22a1 and f22a4)
1992-1997 Accord LX and DX models, f22a1, f22b2

The cylinder head is the exact same part number for the f22a1 and f22a4 in 1990 and 1991.

The cam from the f22a6 was found in 92-93 accord EX, the 93 accord SE and the 95-97 odyssey. the valve springs also match the cam.



And now the real world differences....
f22a1...125hp. single stage intake manifold, 4-1 exhaust manifold
f22a4...130 hp. single stage intake manifold, 4-2-1 exhaust manifold
f22a6...140hp. 2 stage intake manifold, 4-2-1 exhaust manifold, ever so slightly more aggressive camshaft and springs.
figure that exhaust manifold is good for 5 hp. the intake manifold probably for 5 more and the cam for 5..with the correct omputer.


more real world....if you have to ask about cheap and easy it usually is only one of the two. you can get the f22a6 parts at a pick a part pretty cheaply, but honestly the amount of time it will take to swap the intake manifold, exhaust manifold, cam (dont waste time on the springs, the rev limit is about the same and the lift is almost NOT measurable), and then the cleaning of all the 22+ year old parts, plus new gaskets....not really worth it imo, plus again if you have to ask the odds of messing it up are very high.

I recommend taking the time to do all the maintenance you can. change fluids, check timing, replace worn suspension parts like bushings, tie rods, ball joints, probably shocks and springs. Get the brakes up to par, change the fluid, check the thickness of pads and shoes and replace everything that looks bad.
Also clean up your EGR ports, at that age they are likely to be clogged. thats cheap if you have the tools but not easy if you have never done it before.

An EBay header, an ebay intake (cold or short makes no significant difference), an ebay exhaust that is 60mm or 2.25" will be about the same power gains as all the stock junkyard parts. A Delta cam regrind is also not a bad upgrade if you can get it tuned.
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I am not new to Hondas, nor am I new to parts catalogs.

According to the Honda parts catalog there was no SE Accord in 1991.
The cam found in an f22a4 is used in the following cars (these all use the same valve springs):
1992-1996 Prelude S F22a1
1990-1991 ALL accords (f22a1 and f22a4)
1992-1997 Accord LX and DX models, f22a1, f22b2

The cylinder head is the exact same part number for the f22a1 and f22a4 in 1990 and 1991.

The cam from the f22a6 was found in 92-93 accord EX, the 93 accord SE and the 95-97 odyssey. the valve springs also match the cam.



And now the real world differences....
f22a1...125hp. single stage intake manifold, 4-1 exhaust manifold
f22a4...130 hp. single stage intake manifold, 4-2-1 exhaust manifold
f22a6...140hp. 2 stage intake manifold, 4-2-1 exhaust manifold, ever so slightly more aggressive camshaft and springs.
figure that exhaust manifold is good for 5 hp. the intake manifold probably for 5 more and the cam for 5..with the correct omputer.


more real world....if you have to ask about cheap and easy it usually is only one of the two. you can get the f22a6 parts at a pick a part pretty cheaply, but honestly the amount of time it will take to swap the intake manifold, exhaust manifold, cam (dont waste time on the springs, the rev limit is about the same and the lift is almost NOT measurable), and then the cleaning of all the 22+ year old parts, plus new gaskets....not really worth it imo, plus again if you have to ask the odds of messing it up are very high.

I recommend taking the time to do all the maintenance you can. change fluids, check timing, replace worn suspension parts like bushings, tie rods, ball joints, probably shocks and springs. Get the brakes up to par, change the fluid, check the thickness of pads and shoes and replace everything that looks bad.
Also clean up your EGR ports, at that age they are likely to be clogged. thats cheap if you have the tools but not easy if you have never done it before.

An EBay header, an ebay intake (cold or short makes no significant difference), an ebay exhaust that is 60mm or 2.25" will be about the same power gains as all the stock junkyard parts. A Delta cam regrind is also not a bad upgrade if you can get it tuned.


Thank you,for your time and research as it answers( many)questions that I have been pondering for some time.I think the Ebay header and intake is probably the one answer that sums it all up,instead of wasting time in a junk yard and along with the maintenance that you have suggested
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It took me about 30 minutes to swap out the springs. I held them up side by side...you can see a visible difference in the strength of the springs.
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I am not new to Hondas, nor am I new to parts catalogs.

According to the Honda parts catalog there was no SE Accord in 1991.
The cam found in an f22a4 is used in the following cars (these all use the same valve springs):
1992-1996 Prelude S F22a1
1990-1991 ALL accords (f22a1 and f22a4)
1992-1997 Accord LX and DX models, f22a1, f22b2

The cylinder head is the exact same part number for the f22a1 and f22a4 in 1990 and 1991.

The cam from the f22a6 was found in 92-93 accord EX, the 93 accord SE and the 95-97 odyssey. the valve springs also match the cam.



And now the real world differences....
f22a1...125hp. single stage intake manifold, 4-1 exhaust manifold
f22a4...130 hp. single stage intake manifold, 4-2-1 exhaust manifold
f22a6...140hp. 2 stage intake manifold, 4-2-1 exhaust manifold, ever so slightly more aggressive camshaft and springs.
figure that exhaust manifold is good for 5 hp. the intake manifold probably for 5 more and the cam for 5..with the correct omputer.


more real world....if you have to ask about cheap and easy it usually is only one of the two. you can get the f22a6 parts at a pick a part pretty cheaply, but honestly the amount of time it will take to swap the intake manifold, exhaust manifold, cam (dont waste time on the springs, the rev limit is about the same and the lift is almost NOT measurable), and then the cleaning of all the 22+ year old parts, plus new gaskets....not really worth it imo, plus again if you have to ask the odds of messing it up are very high.

I recommend taking the time to do all the maintenance you can. change fluids, check timing, replace worn suspension parts like bushings, tie rods, ball joints, probably shocks and springs. Get the brakes up to par, change the fluid, check the thickness of pads and shoes and replace everything that looks bad.
Also clean up your EGR ports, at that age they are likely to be clogged. thats cheap if you have the tools but not easy if you have never done it before.

An EBay header, an ebay intake (cold or short makes no significant difference), an ebay exhaust that is 60mm or 2.25" will be about the same power gains as all the stock junkyard parts. A Delta cam regrind is also not a bad upgrade if you can get it tuned.

Im confused, My wives Accord is a 91 SE and vins as such.
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