Go Back   Honda-Tech > Honda and Acura Model-Specific Technical Forums > Honda Accord (1990 - 2002)
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?
Search


Welcome to Honda-Tech!
Welcome to Honda-Tech.com.

You are currently viewing our forums as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Honda-Tech community today!


Reply
 
 
 
submit to reddit
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-24-2005, 10:55 AM   #1
 
camelspit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: renton, wa, USA
Posts: 12
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to camelspit
Default f20b

was wondering, would the f20b be a relatively easy swap on a 95 accord?

thanks.
camelspit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2005, 12:33 PM   #2
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: it was a funny angle
Posts: 3,799
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to jakeiscool
Default Re: f20b (camelspit)

yes
jakeiscool is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2005, 01:39 PM   #3
 
HondaMike17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Newport, NC, United States
Posts: 349
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to HondaMike17
Default Re: f20b (JakeIsCool)

im pretty damn sure it would bolt right up my man, good luck
__________________
1997 Honda Accord LX
HondaMike17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2005, 01:48 PM   #4
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: it was a funny angle
Posts: 3,799
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to jakeiscool
Default Re: f20b (camelspit)

why not an h22 for 1900 bucks?
jakeiscool is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2005, 02:24 PM   #5
 
camelspit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: renton, wa, USA
Posts: 12
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to camelspit
Default Re: f20b (JakeIsCool)

well i want to do something different. f20b is 200hp, 145 tq. h22 just has more torque, but weighs more (i think). and yea h22 has more aftermarket support, but thats because everyone and their mother has an h22. or a b series so. thus i choose f20b.
camelspit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2005, 05:55 PM   #6
 
hondabum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: HauteProvence, provonce, france
Posts: 480
iTrader Rating: (0)
Default Re: f20b (camelspit)

ya i would look into boosting the f20 that would be cool Click the image to open in full size.
hondabum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2005, 06:18 PM   #7
Honda-Tech Member
 
momstaxi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: sparks, nv, us
Posts: 1,654
iTrader Rating: (0)
Default Re: f20b (hondabum4life)

an h22 doesnt weigh more than an f20b...and if it did it would be +/- 10lbs or so...
momstaxi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2005, 07:52 PM   #8
 
CWestAccord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Sylvester, Georgia, USA
Posts: 106
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to CWestAccord
Default Re: f20b (momstaxi)

F20B is nearly IDENTICAL to the H22. same weight, but higher horsepower, and less torque. I forget the figures, but If you can put an H22 into a CD Accord, then you can put in a F20B. the main swap issue to remember is that all F20Bs were OBD2.

The F20B was made for the 6th gen Accords, so Honda had a valid contender in the Touring Class in road racing, where the engine size is limited to 2.0 liters, where the H22 is oversized. All Honda did was use a H22A-TypeS motor, de-stroke it, and put it in the Accord. same bore, but I'm not sure about compression ratio, but I know it's higher than the JDM H22A's 10.6-1. same TypeS cams, too.
__________________
"I've mastered neurology and "big bang" theology, and performed lobotomies with telekinetic psychology."
"I spray in bright day over what you might say. My blood type's Krylon technicolor type A!"
"I'm here at this podium, talking of ceremonial offerings to urban, disfunctional offspring."
CWestAccord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2005, 08:45 PM   #9
Honda-Tech Member
 
momstaxi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: sparks, nv, us
Posts: 1,654
iTrader Rating: (0)
Default Re: f20b (CWestAccord)

wasnt one of the main purposes of frm sleeves was to make the engine block less weight?
momstaxi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2005, 09:50 PM   #10
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: it was a funny angle
Posts: 3,799
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to jakeiscool
Default Re: f20b (hondabum4life)

Quote:
Originally Posted by momstaxi
wasnt one of the main purposes of frm sleeves was to make the engine block less weight?
no, the frm sleeves help with keeping heat down. weight could have been part of it but i highly doubt it.
jakeiscool is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2005, 06:07 AM   #11
 
CD7-F20B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Miami, Fl
Posts: 52
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to CD7-F20B
Default Re: f20b (JakeIsCool)

i wish you alot of luck on that swap.. it took me on my swap 4mnths...
my advice to you is to go obd 1..
__________________
CD7
F20B OFF A 99 CF4 TORENO
FULL BOMEX
S2K BLACK SEATS WITH RED COVER
MUGEN PEDS-SHIFTER
ATR SHIFT BOOT
JDM SIR HEADLIGHTS
APEX'I VAFC
SAN MARINO RED

FOR SALE...JDM F20B ECU,P13 ECU, AND JDM HARNESS..
[b]CD Squad <FONT COLOR="Blue">#009</FONT>[/b]
CD7-F20B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2005, 07:10 AM   #12
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: it was a funny angle
Posts: 3,799
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to jakeiscool
Default Re: f20b (CD7-F20B)

4 months? Atheist had my f22 out and my h22 in next day. Im assuming it was the wiring that was giving you trouble.
jakeiscool is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2005, 07:51 AM   #13
 
CD7-F20B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Miami, Fl
Posts: 52
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to CD7-F20B
Default Re: f20b (JakeIsCool)

wiring is a headache..
it was 4mnths cause i worked on it every other weekend.
but it worth all worth it..
the only prob i have now is a stuck IACV needs to replaced.

ive gone through 2 ecu already P05, P13, and now i have a chipped P28
__________________
CD7
F20B OFF A 99 CF4 TORENO
FULL BOMEX
S2K BLACK SEATS WITH RED COVER
MUGEN PEDS-SHIFTER
ATR SHIFT BOOT
JDM SIR HEADLIGHTS
APEX'I VAFC
SAN MARINO RED

FOR SALE...JDM F20B ECU,P13 ECU, AND JDM HARNESS..
[b]CD Squad <FONT COLOR="Blue">#009</FONT>[/b]
CD7-F20B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2005, 10:17 AM   #14
Honda-Tech Member
 
MestizoRacer310's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Posts: 1,463
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to MestizoRacer310
Default Re: f20b (CD7-F20B)

Quote:
Originally Posted by CD7-F20B
wiring is a headache..
it was 4mnths cause i worked on it every other weekend.
but it worth all worth it..
I hear you on wiring. I'm still not that keen on wiring jobs....although I do feel like I love lights....I'm thinking of fabbing a removable light pod (and I don't really know exactly why...)
Quote:
Originally Posted by CD7-F20B
the only prob i have now is a stuck IACV needs to replaced.
I have that same problem. My rpm's in idle-especially while still cold-lob between 1,000 to 2,000rpm
__________________
Kevin; AIM: MestizoRacer310
UA5: Tein|Rota|Racingbrake|Cusco|Eibach||CG6: H&R|TYC
Vouches: Crashtest Sonny, SiPower99, Blackstar, blackdc5
MestizoRacer310 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2005, 03:57 PM   #15
 
CD7-F20B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Miami, Fl
Posts: 52
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to CD7-F20B
Default Re: f20b (MestizoRacer310)

Click the image to open in full size.
Click the image to open in full size.
Click the image to open in full size.
Click the image to open in full size.
Click the image to open in full size.
Click the image to open in full size.


when i finished the swap....

__________________
CD7
F20B OFF A 99 CF4 TORENO
FULL BOMEX
S2K BLACK SEATS WITH RED COVER
MUGEN PEDS-SHIFTER
ATR SHIFT BOOT
JDM SIR HEADLIGHTS
APEX'I VAFC
SAN MARINO RED

FOR SALE...JDM F20B ECU,P13 ECU, AND JDM HARNESS..
[b]CD Squad <FONT COLOR="Blue">#009</FONT>[/b]
CD7-F20B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2005, 03:53 PM   #16
 
CD7-F20B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Miami, Fl
Posts: 52
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to CD7-F20B
Default Re: f20b (CD7-F20B)

el bumpo....
__________________
CD7
F20B OFF A 99 CF4 TORENO
FULL BOMEX
S2K BLACK SEATS WITH RED COVER
MUGEN PEDS-SHIFTER
ATR SHIFT BOOT
JDM SIR HEADLIGHTS
APEX'I VAFC
SAN MARINO RED

FOR SALE...JDM F20B ECU,P13 ECU, AND JDM HARNESS..
[b]CD Squad <FONT COLOR="Blue">#009</FONT>[/b]
CD7-F20B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2005, 04:39 PM   #17
Member
 
fw190bvi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Michigan State University, USA
Posts: 7,240
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to fw190bvi
Default Re: f20b (CD7-F20B)

why are you bumping this thread?


on a technical note, why didnt you run PS on the F20b
__________________
I remember the dinosaurs
fw190bvi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2005, 06:00 PM   #18
 
CD7-F20B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Miami, Fl
Posts: 52
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to CD7-F20B
Default Re: f20b (fw190bvi)

i havent had a chance to buy the prelude crank pulley the F20B crank pulley doesnt have the dual pulley its a single pulley..
__________________
CD7
F20B OFF A 99 CF4 TORENO
FULL BOMEX
S2K BLACK SEATS WITH RED COVER
MUGEN PEDS-SHIFTER
ATR SHIFT BOOT
JDM SIR HEADLIGHTS
APEX'I VAFC
SAN MARINO RED

FOR SALE...JDM F20B ECU,P13 ECU, AND JDM HARNESS..
[b]CD Squad <FONT COLOR="Blue">#009</FONT>[/b]
CD7-F20B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2005, 07:50 PM   #19
New User
 
Nick H's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Bloomington, Indiana, USA
Posts: 3,189
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to Nick H
Default Re: f20b (CD7-F20B)

the f20b, h22a, and h23 all use the exact same block...the internals/bore on the sleeves may be slightly different, but you will end up putting an f20b into a 5th gen accord the exact same way as you would put an h22 in...same method, same wiring, same modifications to the wiring and driverside engine mount...

also, that tourque you speak of is much needed in the heavy, fat *** accord...sure it has more hp (5 more than the h22 which you will most likely not even feel), but realize that the hp rating is taken from the lofty 8000 rpm area...the tq rating is also taken from right around the vtec engagement, but you need to look at the power production down low and across the entire rpm range between the two motors...having a motor with a little extra tourque in the low rpm's will make daily driving much nicer and responsive...good luck if you wish to do this, but realize that an h22 could be purchased for much less and modified with the extr money you are putting out for the f20b...and if you are going to moderately modify the f20b anyways, then it's utterly pointless to use it as a platform anyways...
__________________
if this post seems ignorant, it was probably created while i was drunk...my appologies...


currently:
1996 Accord CD7 H22a
maybe something different soon...
Nick H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2005, 05:29 AM   #20
Honda-Tech Member
 
propwdialogue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: U of Dayton, OH, USA
Posts: 723
iTrader Rating: (0)
Default Re: f20b (Nick H)

I completely agree. While there is something to be said for being different (and it certainly is a noble goal), you are going to get a lot better results for your money using the H as your base. The difference in price in the two motors could get you a nice start on building your H for turbo Click the image to open in full size.
__________________
'94 Accord EX Coupe

SCCA Solo 2 Western Ohio Region and Cincinnati Regions

#33 STS
propwdialogue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2005, 01:18 AM   #21
 
chuckles2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand, New Zealand
Posts: 53
iTrader Rating: (0)
Default Re: f20b (propwdialogue)

the f20b has a 85mm bore as apposed to a 87mm bore in a h22a, and the stroke is 1mm shorter.

also has iron sleeves not frm, 11:1 compression, rods are stronger then alot of aftermarket ones for h22a, and the bottom end has very tight tolerances, wicked r/s ratio. it revs like crazy with the right tiuning and mods. much better base the h22a especially if you are not planning on internal mods.

Yes the h22a has more potential but the f20b is much more fun to drive with once you have done a few bolt ons, mugen made 300whp with their f20b in the BTCC.

Also f20b throttle body is 2mm bigger then h22a. all parts are interchangerble with h22a parts except for internal block components and valves, this includes cams manifolds etc.

my JDM accord SiR-T (what the f20b comes from) can drill a cd6 SiR accord with a mildly modded h22a Click the image to open in full size.

do you guys have cd6 accords in the states?
__________________
F20B powered Track spec JDM ITR.
chuckles2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2005, 08:00 AM   #22
Member
 
fw190bvi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Michigan State University, USA
Posts: 7,240
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to fw190bvi
Default Re: f20b (chuckles2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckles2
the f20b has a 85mm bore as apposed to a 87mm bore in a h22a, and the stroke is 1mm shorter.

also has iron sleeves not frm, 11:1 compression, rods are stronger then alot of aftermarket ones for h22a, and the bottom end has very tight tolerances, wicked r/s ratio. it revs like crazy with the right tiuning and mods. much better base the h22a especially if you are not planning on internal mods.

Yes the h22a has more potential but the f20b is much more fun to drive with once you have done a few bolt ons, mugen made 300whp with their f20b in the BTCC.

Also f20b throttle body is 2mm bigger then h22a. all parts are interchangerble with h22a parts except for internal block components and valves, this includes cams manifolds etc.

my JDM accord SiR-T (what the f20b comes from) can drill a cd6 SiR accord with a mildly modded h22a Click the image to open in full size.

do you guys have cd6 accords in the states?
no, accord was never offered with a DOHC motor in the states untill the K24 in the 7th gen accord....

from what ive read, a modded F20b&gt;H22a...but stock for stock, the added torque of the H22a gives it a slight advantage
__________________
I remember the dinosaurs
fw190bvi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2005, 09:33 AM   #23
Honda-Tech Member
 
gaydm.accord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: nunya, GAHdamnBusiness, ethiopia
Posts: 4,707
iTrader Rating: (0)
Default

couldnt you just get a ps bracket off a 97 lude and used that on the f20 b with f22 ps pump lines etc... kind of like the h22 swap only thing needed is the bracket.
gaydm.accord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2005, 03:13 PM   #24
 
i_kick_turtles's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Milford, NE
Posts: 681
iTrader Rating: (0)
Default

I was just curious as to what ecu the f20b uses? Those IM runners look really short.
i_kick_turtles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2005, 08:03 PM   #25
 
CD7-F20B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Miami, Fl
Posts: 52
iTrader Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to CD7-F20B
Default Re: (I R Tylor)

its a P5 obdIIb..
__________________
CD7
F20B OFF A 99 CF4 TORENO
FULL BOMEX
S2K BLACK SEATS WITH RED COVER
MUGEN PEDS-SHIFTER
ATR SHIFT BOOT
JDM SIR HEADLIGHTS
APEX'I VAFC
SAN MARINO RED

FOR SALE...JDM F20B ECU,P13 ECU, AND JDM HARNESS..
[b]CD Squad <FONT COLOR="Blue">#009</FONT>[/b]
CD7-F20B is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
 
submit to reddit
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
f20b member dato Honda Accord (1990 - 2002) 16 04-27-2010 05:25 PM
f20b manual and f20b auto??? speedfreak44 All Motor/ Naturally Aspirated 13 02-10-2010 03:17 AM
F20b japscrap Honda Prelude 11 02-17-2009 04:29 AM
F20b head on F23/F22 lower end???? RMRf23 Honda Accord (1990 - 2002) 4 11-05-2004 09:40 PM
H22 or F20B kevinm1981 Honda Accord (1990 - 2002) 18 03-07-2004 07:35 AM


Tags
95, accord, cd7, crank, ecu, f20b, h22, honad, honda, hp, iacv, manual, modify, pulley, sir, zealand

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:03 PM.



2014 Copyright, InternetBrands Inc.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7 AC1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Honda and the Honda marquee are registered trademarks of the American Honda Motor Company, Inc. Neither American Honda Motor Company nor its subsidiaries or affiliates shall bear any responsibility for Honda-Tech.com content, comments, or advertising. Honda-Tech.com is not affiliated with American Honda Motor Company in any way. American Honda Motor Company does not sponsor, support, or endorse Honda-Tech.com in any way. Copyright/trademark/sales mark infringements are not intended or implied.
Emails & Contact Details