decipher_this

I went to get some more freon for my 93 accord and i was told that the EPA wont let them sell it anymore and that i needed to get swapped over to 134a well i read a post about that on here a couple pages back and the guy just bought some more....where can i get it?

DNMPro

You can still but, its just crazy expesensive. Last I checked it was $4.87 per ounce! I think the average Accord holds about 2 pounds. 16 ounces per pound, yeah, do the math, its up there. What I did, was I made friends with a non-Honda dealership, I called Car Quest and bought and R-134a conversion kit, valves, and a conversion oil deal for about 20 bucks. Its a whole kit and the distributor said he cannot keep it in stock. I went down to the service department, let them know what was going on, the AC guy, evacuated all the R-12 (r-12 and r-134a don't get along and its useless to do if you have ANY r-12 left in your system) left in my system, checked for any leaks added the new valves, oil, and pumped in 1.92 pounds of R-134a. I have talked with them earlier, and this is better than using the canned stuff you get from JCWhitney or Walmart because the pressure that their machine has is much higher. The reason I say non-Honda is because Honda claims that this conversion will not work with the compressors that they have installed in the Accord. Big deal, GM said the same thing, its all a ploy to get people to spend a few hundo competely redoing their AC. According to the AC guy, they work really well, especially on a budget. All told I was set back about 80 bucks for the kit, r-134 and 1 hour of labor at 44 bucks an hour. Hope it helps!

JimBlake

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by decipher_this &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I went to get some more freon for my 93 accord and i was told that the EPA wont let them sell it anymore and that i needed to get swapped over to 134a well i read a post about that on here a couple pages back and the guy just bought some more....where can i get it?</TD></TR></TABLE>It's supposed to be illegal (worldwide) to manufacture the stuff. You just need to be licensed to buy & sell it.

DNMpro's basically got it about conversions. The compressor oil is different, so there's something to watch out for when you convert. R-134a operates at higher pressure, so maybe you're a little closer to blowing a seal in the compressor? You have to be more careful about over-charging it.

DNMPro

That's why I took it in. I figured for one hour of labor it'd be worth it to have someone check for leaks, and completely flush the system. The kit I bought (wish I had a link) has a special oil that will help convert it with the new oil. For 80 bucks, it was worth it! BTW, the kit was from CarQuest, R-134a retrofit kit.