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Old 06-19-2011, 01:27 PM   #1
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I just don't get it. we live in the greatest, possibly freest society on earth. Our society contributes alot to our lives, but some just don't want to contribute back. I am personally an immigrant, and love this nation to death, and this new wave of neo cons makes me mad. they are going to destroy this country by spreading their messages of hate and tax cuts, which at the end of the day will slowly destroy the education system and police departments...... and seems to appeal to the most uneducated, isolated, POOR people of the country.

I mean watching some of the Tea party videos, these are low income people, fighting for the right of corporations like insurance companies to rip them a new one.

An example of this injustice is my family. My father makes 200k and pays 30% tax. while my uncle makes few million dollars a year and only pays 13%. if this is your ideology, please tell me why you support it? and why dont you wanna pay taxes to such a great gov. i mean the US gov is not perfect, but its up there!!!!! and this comes from someone that lived in IRAN, a TRUE corrupt gov.
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The only gripe I have with taxes is that the taxes I pay here in Washington state fund stupid **** like red light cameras, the governors private jet and vacations to China, or **** I simply don't care about. We've had BIG and I mean BIG public transportation projects completely fail (uh the Seattle monorail) and the millions and millions of tax dollars rounded up to construct them magically disappeared. I'm aware I have the right to vote on this kind of **** but when you live near Seattle your voice is dead silent in a city full of hipsters, overly politically passionate college students, and way too many idiots who engage in partisan politics. I would be MORE than obliged to pay taxes if I really REALLY got to choose where the money went.

P.S. I wish I made 200k a year like your dad. What's he do?

Edit: What kind of drug cartel does your uncle run?
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An example of this injustice is my family. My father makes 200k and pays 30% tax. while my uncle makes few million dollars a year and only pays 13%. if this is your ideology, please tell me why you support it? and why dont you wanna pay taxes to such a great gov.
I don't want to support that. I fully agree that, all things being equal, the rich should pay equal or more taxes than the rest of us.

Why don't I want to pay taxes though? Because I can barely afford to eat and pay my bills, and I'm supporting 3 people on 1 income. I have virtually no debt other than my mortgage, and that takes up more than half of my income. Food and utilities take up the rest, and leisure money is virtually nonexistent. I can't speak for everyone, but that's my reason.

If I had half of what I give the government out of every paycheck, I would personally be doing much better off.
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uhh cause the govt wastes money, that's why i'd like to pay them less of MY money. why don't you give the govt more of your money. the US treasury is always willing to take a check. write them one and stop bitching.
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while my uncle makes few million dollars a year and only pays 13%.
No he doesnt. I don't know where you got your information, but you've obviously confused some details.
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No he doesnt. I don't know where you got your information, but you've obviously confused some details.
i got the information from his tax return papers that he showed me, he was outraged that my dad has to pay so much relative to his income and he gets to pay nothing. so he went out and adopted one child and now pays for a few other "foster" kids life.
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If America has so much supposed "freedom" why can't I get a rocket launcher? Tell me that. I always see these people from some busted *** 3rd world country toting around rocket launches on the news, freedom my ***.
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I just don't get it. we live in the greatest, possibly freest society on earth. Our society contributes alot to our lives, but some just don't want to contribute back. I am personally an immigrant, and love this nation to death, and this new wave of neo cons makes me mad. they are going to destroy this country by spreading their messages of hate and tax cuts, which at the end of the day will slowly destroy the education system and police departments...... and seems to appeal to the most uneducated, isolated, POOR people of the country.

I mean watching some of the Tea party videos, these are low income people, fighting for the right of corporations like insurance companies to rip them a new one.

An example of this injustice is my family. My father makes 200k and pays 30% tax. while my uncle makes few million dollars a year and only pays 13%. if this is your ideology, please tell me why you support it? and why dont you wanna pay taxes to such a great gov. i mean the US gov is not perfect, but its up there!!!!! and this comes from someone that lived in IRAN, a TRUE corrupt gov.
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Taxes are a TERRIBLE thing. The government is VERY wasteful. Taxes are a deterrent to growth. Where do you guys get the idea that the wealthy should pay more taxes? Have you ever gotten a job from a poor person? A reduction in taxes means more income to spend on commodities. That is how our economy works. Tax the rich and they will spend less. They will invest less. They will lay off people.

Seriously look at the condition of California right now. That is where the entire nation is headed if we don't do something.
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If America has so much supposed "freedom" why can't I get a rocket launcher? Tell me that. I always see these people from some busted *** 3rd world country toting around rocket launches on the news, freedom my ***.
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Look at some of the bigger issues that you mentioned such as the education system. IMHO, the federal government shouldn't have its hands in the education of our children at all. What about the people who pay taxes who have no children. Then think about the people who have children but then pay no taxes. So someone without children is paying for the children of someone else to attend school. Whoa.
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Long live the SLAVE!

who needs the hassle of having to fend for a pod of people that you aren't even related to.(employer/employee)

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If America has so much supposed "freedom" why can't I get a rocket launcher? Tell me that. I always see these people from some busted *** 3rd world country toting around rocket launches on the news, freedom my ***.
thats the dumbest ****ing thing i have ever heard. some people shouldn't be able to vote or have a say and your one. go live in Afghanistan or Africa. youll love the freedom you get with your rocket launchers.
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thats the dumbest ****ing thing i have ever heard. some people shouldn't be able to vote or have a say and your one. go live in Afghanistan or Africa. youll love the freedom you get with your rocket launchers.
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Look at some of the bigger issues that you mentioned such as the education system. IMHO, the federal government shouldn't have its hands in the education of our children at all. What about the people who pay taxes who have no children. Then think about the people who have children but then pay no taxes. So someone without children is paying for the children of someone else to attend school. Whoa.
why? there needs to be a standard for things such as education. lack of government and the current tax system creates a slave and owner system. Rich people get good education and become wealthier, while the poor struggle for food.

IDK what you people call this, but when someone gets a 200 million dollar bonus and pays 10% tax, and someone else makes 8$ dollars an hour and is denied the simple basic need of education or health insurance by the society i call that SLAVERY. the rich are ruthless
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thats the dumbest ****ing thing i have ever heard. some people shouldn't be able to vote or have a say and your one. go live in Afghanistan or Africa. youll love the freedom you get with your rocket launchers.
I also agree that some people shouldn't be allowed to vote. What are your criteria?
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why? there needs to be a standard for things such as education. lack of government and the current tax system creates a slave and owner system. Rich people get good education and become wealthier, while the poor struggle for food.

IDK what you people call this, but when someone gets a 200 million dollar bonus and pays 10% tax, and someone else makes 8$ dollars an hour and is denied the simple basic need of education or health insurance by the society i call that SLAVERY. the rich are ruthless
Parents, communities, churches, and just plain individuals can do a much better job of acquiring education for their children than the federal government can. No more teacher unions, no more arguing over textbooks or evolution/creationist bs. People would be in charge of their children's education like when this country was founded. Are children were much brighter back then. Hell, out of all the developed countries in the world, our children are close to the most ignorant.
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why? there needs to be a standard for things such as education. lack of government and the current tax system creates a slave and owner system. Rich people get good education and become wealthier, while the poor struggle for food.

IDK what you people call this, but when someone gets a 200 million dollar bonus and pays 10% tax, and someone else makes 8$ dollars an hour and is denied the simple basic need of education or health insurance by the society i call that SLAVERY. the rich are ruthless
This is the most skewed **** I've ever read. I know illegal immigrants who have no problem attending public schools.

At my age, all the people who make little to no income around here are the only ones who make it into the mother ****ing University of Washington.
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like when this country was founded. Are children were much brighter back then.
How do we quantify, let alone prove educational prowess or personal intelligence from the 1790's in contrast to today in order to even contemplate such a statement too be true?
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There is nothing evil about taxes. There is something very evil about over taxation from one of the most wasteful organizations you will ever find.

And your uncle actually pays more in taxes than your father, don't look at % look at $. Why should one man pay hundreds of thousands in income taxes for the same benefit as a man who pays maybe $25k income tax, simply because he is more successful? Do his kids not go to the same school, does he not drive on the same roads, have the same policemen and firemen, the same parks and public services??

At the core of it, Income tax will NEVER be fair to everyone, no matter if it's "fair tax", flat tax, or anything else. And I am a firm proponent of no federal income tax, which if we properly gutted our useless federal programs and worldwide posturing, we'd actually come out AHEAD, than if we keep our Income tax and spending as is.
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Parents, communities, churches, and just plain individuals can do a much better job of acquiring education for their children than the federal government can. No more teacher unions, no more arguing over textbooks or evolution/creationist bs. People would be in charge of their children's education like when this country was founded. Are children were much brighter back then. Hell, out of all the developed countries in the world, our children are close to the most ignorant.
Then make sure to vote for michelle bachman in 2012. wanna see religion involved in education? look at the shithole IRAN i came from. churches should not be involved in a child's upbringing period. if we want to be competitive in the worlds as the proud great country that we are, we need to move forward. put aside the superstiion and theories that slowed down the 20th century like absolute religion or absolute capitalism and make sure our children, as a united whole have the basic knowledge to participate in the upcoming challenges of the world, which are gonna be against Chinese and European kids that have food on the table and are healthy.
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"People love for the rich to pay more taxes, until they become rich themselves" -Me

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That being said I get worried when people start begging the government to take more money from one group of people because they make more money than another group of people simply based on that qualifier. At what point then does the government have to stop taking money from one group that makes more than another, 200k a year, 100k a year 50k a year, etc?
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actually our education level as a whole is higher (or was in very recent history) than itever has been. It's just that other countries have improved much more than us, so while we have fallen behind in ranking, we are still more educated than before.
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