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Old 08-19-2003, 11:41 PM   #1
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Default What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol?

Hi guys,

I am thinking about buying a pistol for home and self defense. I used to own a USP .45 a long time ago but now I want a compact .40/.45 that is good for concealed carry.

I was thinking about the USP .45 compact, but I dont quite like the price ($800). Is there anything that I can find for around $300-$500 new? make really doesn't matter, but I am of course concerned with ease of operation and ease of aim. I also prefer a DA, and the HKs come with pretty much avery combo (SA only, DA only, DA and SA, etc etc).

So what do you guys think is a good choice?

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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (BlueShadow)

Sig Sauer. Glock Model 27 (.40), 30 (.45), or 36(.45).

My personal carry weapon is a Makarov 9MM. Very small, but very lethal. (I carry it loaded with Hydra-Shok ammo)
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (BlueShadow)

i would go with glock 23. 40 cal., small, and very accurate. a friend of mine had one and first time i picked it up i hit (don't laugh) a VCR in a cow pasture from about 120 feet 5 times straight. yes, i'm from the country. plus it has to be good cause law enforcement carries it now.
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Go to a local gun show and pick up an HK or SIG....p228 is the .45 for the sig...i believe its one of the most accurate .45s out nof the box..
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (George Knighton)

if u arent willing to shell out a few extra hundred you might want to reconsider getting one. a box of ammo at roughly $11 (unless u get it at a gun show) is a lot of money to be spending. i spent a few hundred dollars on ammo in a month. this was shooting .40S&Ws.
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (BlueShadow)

Glock 30 is suited to this task.. small, light and packs a big punch.

picked up mine with trijcon night sights for about 500-600 i forget the exact price... and it takes a hell of a beating and has never jammed on me...
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Second thought.. what about a old fashioned wheel gun...


you should be able to pick up a 357 magnum revolver or a 44 mag pretty cheap...

besides if you need more than 6 shots anyway.. you really should be crawling out the bedroom window and not in a gun battle... (call for backup/help)
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (George Knighton)

AHHHHhhhhh yes P220...thnx for the correction goerge....i picked mine up for a good price at the local show....almost got an HK
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (BlueShadow)

a glock 9 mm will work great if you the a tigger job done. but go with a 45
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (SymphonyX)

For HD your main weapon should be a shotgun, with the handgun being a suppliment. With that being said, I like a nice 357/44 wheelgun as a home defense handgun. Reason I like a wheelgun as a HD gun is because they are easy to use and not prone to limp wristing as automatics are.

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a glock 9 mm will work great if you the a tigger job done. but go with a 45
To be honest, I don't think that glock triggers are that bad, you just need to get used to them. I happy with the stock trigger on my 19, but I do have a 3.5# connector that I may put it.
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (SymphonyX)

I would second the recommendation for a .357 revolver. Shoots .38 as well, so your practice ammo is cheap. I've been after a 4" barrel .357 for quite some time now.

Not a compact, but should be a fine handgun nonetheless:

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Street price around $500. If they're half as good as the 75's are, they're worth more than every penny.
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I'm going to have to add a CZ to my collection. I was going to purchase a used 75B, but it kept jamming on me at the range, so I passed it up. I later find out that it the FTE's were due to the fact that CZ's don't like the 115gr Walmart White box ammo. I still kick myself for not buying that gun: two tone 75, w/ kydex holster, and 8 mags for $300.
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I'm going to have to add a CZ to my collection. I was going to purchase a used 75B, but it kept jamming on me at the range, so I passed it up. I later find out that it the FTE's were due to the fact that CZ's don't like the 115gr Walmart White box ammo. I still kick myself for not buying that gun: two tone 75, w/ kydex holster, and 8 mags for $300.
The Mils (like the one in my sig I'm considering selling) are the ones that don't like 115gr. Anything else feeds like butter. I tried several remedies, but none really did the trick. Lighter recoil springs, new extractor, new extractor spring, etc.

Now, my 75 Compact has *never* had a problem in 2k+ rounds. 95% of that has been S&B 115gr roundball. Same with my friend's 75 BD. Just a quirk of the Mils.

[edit] Was the one you looked at a factory two-tone? Should have been ok. Strange [/edit]
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (Splat)

here is my favorite choice of carying. Tarus millenium PT145 , 45 cal with 10+1 rounds Click the image to open in full size.
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (BlueShadow)

Thanks for the replies guys,

Right now I am deciding between the HK USP .45 compact, Glock 30 .45, and Sig 220 .45.

And of course I am looking for a compact with at least 8+1 capacity, but the higher the better. I will probably go to the gun store to see if they have any of those in the shop. I need to see if the gun feels right in my hand first. I have average size man hands, but I dont like how my pinky hangs below the grip on some guns.

I may also decide to get a Mossberg 500 to keep in the house, since I used to own one of those as well.

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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (BlueShadow)

get one of these 9mm's: http://www.gunbroker.com/aucti...95305

i would prefer one of these though:
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (BlueShadow)

Also forgot to add, that I'm not a fan of wheel guns. And I am looking for a compact sized pistol One that has a barrel length like the one in thid92's pic.
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (BlueShadow)

trust me its the best conceled gun thats out there with good stopping power and round capacity. its smaller than the glock 36 which is a .45 10+1
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (BlueShadow)

a cz75 can be had for about $400-450 new. I bought a cz75 compact with nickel finish for about $400 new.
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any of those three can be had for a decent price if you look around a bit...im tellen you just cruise a couple gun shows and check out prices....and if you dont find a good enough deal theres always good beef jerky co's at gun shows...
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I also used to own a UZI 9mm semi-auto, but I kinda got bored of it. It was too heavy for my tastes.

EDIT: Right now I am looking for a pistol that I can keep in the car or carry with me. I may also buy a civilian M4A1 and modify it with SOPMOD attachments. I was gonna get one and fit it with an ACOG TA01NSN sight.

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here is my favorite choice of carying. Tarus millenium PT145 , 45 cal with 10+1 rounds Click the image to open in full size.
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LOL!

How many other carry "options" do you own? If the Taurus is your favorite I am betting you don't actually own a good pistol.

Taurus: The Ford Escort of semi-autos


Original Poster: You need to decide if you want a GOOD pistol or an INEXPENSIVE pistol. You can't have both and in terms of defense you really want that thing to work. An ok and inexpensive pistol is the S&W Sigma series (modelled after the Glock). GOOD pistols start in the $500 world and go up from there. The 4 I would look the most at are the Glocks (the most reliable handgun in existence hands down), the Sigs, H&Ks and CZs. Anything else and you are wasting your money (either on the more expensive or less expensive side).
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Original Poster: You need to decide if you want a GOOD pistol or an INEXPENSIVE pistol. You can't have both and in terms of defense you really want that thing to work. An ok and inexpensive pistol is the S&W Sigma series (modelled after the Glock). GOOD pistols start in the $500 world and go up from there. The 4 I would look the most at are the Glocks (the most reliable handgun in existence hands down), the Sigs, H&Ks and CZs. Anything else and you are wasting your money (either on the more expensive or less expensive side).
I do want a good pistol, but I dont wanna pay $800-$900 for it like I did with my old HK USP .45 (full size). I'm not looking for a saturday night special...but a decent gun for about $400-$500. It's been a long time since I've shopped around for pistols, and I mainly looked at Sigs and HKs back then. I just want to open up my options a little more and consider other manufactureres like Glock, S&W, and Taurus.
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (Evil Drew M)

I've read a lot of bad things about the PT145. Supposingly on a lot of early models there were a lot of problems, such as light strikes, FTF, FTE, and broken extractors. I also was told that PT145 can handle 230 gr loads, which is the std loads for most .45's. Maybe they've fixed these problems, but I don't know.


Blue Shadow,
If you wan't an inexpensive auto in the $150-200, then I'd highly recommend you getting a Makarov. I bought my Mak for $129+ fees and absolutely love the gun. It is a very reliable gun that is good for CCW, and adequate enough for HD. Just another suggestion.
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