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Old 06-10-2003, 01:11 AM   #1
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whats the dif. with all the bulbs? like 9004 - 9007 or hb1 hb3 hb4 hb5, is it a size thing? wattage, color?

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It's mostly size/socket. Wattage plays a part. I guess it depends on what they're running for (fogs/brights/low beams). It's not color though.

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...It's not color though.
Doesn't the wattage play a small part in what the color of the light looks like? Dont lower wattage bulbs have sort of a yellowish white color to them and the higher watt bulbs have a very bright bluish white.

I had some old PIAA 100W H4's which I kept from when I had my old Civic Si. Compared to the stock light that was on my FD (which also takes H4s) the PIAAs are very very whiteish and have a slight bluish tint to them.
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No, wattage doesnt play a part of the color - theres a rating on it (number ends in a K... eg. 5000k) which defines color... the higher the number, the more white.


The number you are talking about refers to the size/socket type.
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No, wattage doesnt play a part of the color - theres a rating on it (number ends in a K... eg. 5000k) which defines color... the higher the number, the more white.
Yah, that's what I'm talking about...the lower numbers may be white bulbs but they look like they have a yellowish tint to them. And that looks a lot different from the really bright bulbs which appear to have a very slight bluish tint.

EDIT: and I knew that H4 was the socket size, but I just threw that in there for no reason. I was just pointing out that the aftermarket 100 watt H4s I have were a lot brighter then the stock H4s which probably have a lower wattage. And of course, the PIAAs have the very slight bluish tint I was talking about and the stock lights appear to be kinda yellowish (to me anyways).

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No, wattage doesnt play a part of the color - theres a rating on it (number ends in a K... eg. 5000k) which defines color... the higher the number, the more white.


The number you are talking about refers to the size/socket type.
To a point...otherwise, you'd end up in the blues, purples, etc!
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Default Re: what is the difference between light bulbs? (LiKe_WhOa!)

Different bulbs have different wattage ratings that's standarized. Some bulbs have different input voltage as well (foreign cars for example) and output lumen intensity varies. I know for 9004, it has one of the lowest lumen intensity at 700 for the low beam while H7's have lumen intensity of 1500. If you go with bulbs like H9, you can get 1870 lumens (doubt the bulbs are available in the states). Then of course you have HID caps with D1S/D2S bulbs producing 3200 lumens.

Kelvin rating is the color temperature and has nothing to do with how bright the light is. That's why manufacturers can claim the HID look with coated bulbs that gives off 5000K color temperature while the lumen intensity is only about 1000. That's a big difference with HID's where you have over 3000 lumens of light with 4300K+ (whitish yellow color) using only 35-40W of power in average.
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whats the dif. with all the bulbs? like 9004 - 9007 or hb1 hb3 hb4 hb5, is it a size thing? wattage, color?

thanks for any help! Click the image to open in full size.
Just like an AAA battery is similar to an AA battery, but totally different.

The 900X and HBx are two different names for the same thing. 9003 is an HB2, but IS NOT an H4 technically speaking, though mechanically some H4s and 9003s are the same. Heck, some manufacturers manufacture one bulb and label it BOTH as 9003 and H4. H4 is a motorcycle designation.

9004 is similar in size and shape as 9007. Main difference is the axial orientation of the filament. 9004 is transverse, 9007 is longitudinal. Both are dual filament bulbs, meaning that one bulb has low and high beams. The drawback is that you have to buy a whole new bulb if one filament breaks (usually the low beam because it's used more).

9005 and 9006 bulbs are for cars (Accord, Integra) that use separate bulbs for low and high beams. Thus, both are single filament bulbs. The filaments have a longitudinal orientation. 9005 and 9006 look the same, though the 9005s have no bulb cap, unlike 9006. 9005s are for high beams. 9006 are low beams, and are sometimes used in foglights too.

9003/HB2 aka H4 is a dual filament bulb with a longitudinal orientation. For all intents and purposes, consider them to be the same thing (in some cases they are, such as Sylvania's bulbs that have 9003, HB2, and H4 on the base). Interestingly, the same bulb can have different prices depending on if the package states the bulb as H4 (motorcycle) or 9003 (automotive). A true H4 will fit in either an H4 housing or 9003 housing, while a true 9003 will not fit in a true H4 housing. But most housings allow both bulbs to be used, so that realistically, there is no difference. Legally, you shouldn't have an H4 bulb (think PIAA, blue bulb, etc) because it's a motorcycle bulb in a car and only 9003 is regulated by law.

Of course, newer bulb sizes are becoming more prevalent, such as H1 and H7. The last generation Prelude uses four of the same bulb...two for low beam and two for high beam.

The smaller single filament bulbs such as H3 are usually for auxiliary lights (fog or driving).

Higher wattage does not mean the same corresponding increase in lumens output. That is, a 100w H4 bulb is NOT twice as bright as a stock 55w H4. The increased wattage may or may not affect colour temperature...probably a 50k difference not noticeable.

Capsule color has the most influence on colour temperature, followed by filament wind. Don't believe the PIAA hype about a 55w bulb equaling a 110w bulb. Marketing BS plain and simple.

Most aftermarket wannabe-HID bulbs use higher wattage to somewhat compensate for the inherent lumens loss caused by coloured bulb capsules. The tint subtracts certain colour wavelengths of light to make the light whiter, thus reducing the total lumens output.

There are street legal "high output" bulbs aka "30%" bulbs or whatever the company claims. General Electric Hi Output and Sylvania Xtravision are examples. They use a different gas mixture and a tighter filament wind to achieve maybe a 50-100K colour temperature increase (again, not really noticeable). The drawback is reduced bulb life compared to a normal bulb. The package usually has something along the lines of "30% more light" or "30% brighter", hence the "30%" name. The packaging also points out "Whiter and Brighter!" or something similar.

Those high output bulbs form the basis for Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard #108-compliant (FMVSS108-compliant) blue bulbs such as Philips BlueVision, Sylvania Cool Blue, and GE Super Blue. The blue tint subtracts from the total lumens output, making it less than a normal bulb. The gas mixture and tighter filament wind bring the lumens output back to about the same as a normal bulb. The "blue" in the brand name is a marketing term, and the light is actually whiter than stock by about 500K or so. A stock bulb is about 3200K, while FMVSS108-compliant blue bulbs are in the 3500K-3800K area, depending on bulb size.

For comparison:
PIAA Super White 3800K
PIAA Platinum Spark 4000K
PIAA Xtreme White 4000k-4100K depending on bulb size
Typical generic blue bulb that looks like HID are in the 4200K-4800K range.
PIAA Super Plasma is about 5000K or so.
Typical HID is around 4500K and higher.

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great post outrun, thanks! Click the image to open in full size.
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what kind of bulbs do you recommend for 92-96 prelude? he might be getting projectors too...does that make a difference?

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I'm not familiar with aftermarket Prelude lights, but hopefully, they would be using 9005 and 9006, which are what those Preludes use in the first place.

From experience, the 92-95 Civic aftermarket projectors use H3 bulbs for the low beams. Let me tell you, the output is awful and IMO possibly dangerous.

If you have pics of those projectors, I can give you my opinion and recommendations on how to have good lighting.
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what kind of bulbs do you recommend for 92-96 prelude? he might be getting projectors too...does that make a difference?

EDIT: he DID get the projectors Click the image to open in full size.
Let me know the bulb size and what your cousin wants out of lighting. Does he want maximum street legal visibility? Does he want a whiter light (look like HID)? Keep in mind that as of right now, whiter/bluer light and increased visibility are mutually exclusive in a street legal situation.
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he got these i think.

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i tried to get him to get the jdm black housing ones but they were out of his budget. Click the image to open in full size.
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