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Old 07-19-2013, 07:15 AM   #51
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Oh look another thread about uneducated black people with the typical responders, imagine that. I know….. I know you guys completely understand the uneducated black community. Let me guess you have 1 black friend or maybe 2 at best (who are most likely educated), because it would damn near impossible for any of you doctors/lawyers to associate with someone lacking an education. Or you were adopted by a lower income black family even though you’re predominately white. Of course they adopted you so they could collect that fat government check.

Grew up in the mean streets of Chicago maybe?

Maybe I should start making threads about uneducated white people? Would that help level things out?
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But either way.

EDIT: and for the record, this thread is about Bill Cosby's comments in regard to the black community. He (being a black man) basically said the same thing all us 'white people with one or two black friends' said. Why do you think that is? I welcome a differing opinion especially if you have actual experience in said environment.
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One would hope.
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I work with a guy that has 30 years here, 30+ in the country.

Worst English ever, considering the time he's been here.

Sure, he mumbles it here, but when he goes home, it's nothing but Asian speak. And he spends at least half his time here too lol

Home life reigns supreme.
My neighbor is the same way. 50 year old Puerto Rican, been in the US for over 30 years.
Still can barely understand him. His wife and mother in law live in the house and are both Puerto Rican. Nothing but Spanglish in that house.
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Maybe I should start making threads about uneducated white people? Would that help level things out?
No because, Parent of any race are failing their kids and at all income levels.

Recall my situation back in California. I really didn't work that hard because my work day was (only) 9 to 10 hours. I had to go because of my long commute. There were plenty $150K+ guys that work till 9pm and 11pm. Not kidding.

So who is guiding these "rich" kids?

There was a Yahoo story a few days ago. Americans now are working more hours now than the Japanese.
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I went to a rich kids school. Rich white kids were fighting and selling oxys on campus. Not sure it is poverty that does it.
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Truth ^ My wife is gone 12 hours a day, sometimes more than 9 days straight, with hours that vary from 5am to 11pm. Makes home life tough for two parents, let alone one. We have been doing more with less since 08. Thanks Obama.
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GLD,

I was raised by a single mother in the suburbs of Los Angeles (Glendora, CA if it matters). My mother would drop us (my brother, sister, and myself) off at school at then go to work and we wouldn't see her again until 7:30pm if she was lucky. She spent (often still does, but we've all since moved out) 4 hours a day in traffic (2 hours each way). She made/makes good money (6 figures). A lot of my friends had the same situation growing up. Most were lower on the income bracket but the lack of parental supervision was indentical.

Still, what Bill Cosby says doesn't apply to us. Why?

I wouldn't call us 'rich' but we were well off.

We did drugs and raised hell (skateboarding, graffiti, etc.) so I don't think that's the reason.

We listened to rap music (white suburban youth is the majority consumer of all things rap).

For some reason, it didn't turn us into a whole community of idiots (to be frank).

The question is why?

I would say it's because we had decent influences from uncles/cousins/etc. and knew that ignorance is nothing to brag about.
Intelligence was held in a high regard, even if you got less than stellar grades

It's an interesting discussion
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Let's try to answer this question. Most parents are lucky to get even 2 hours with their kids each day.

And those are not 2 quality hours. Parents get home, cook dinner, wash dishes, wash up, and tuck them in for bed.

When I lived in California, I would spend zero time with my son. Work was 2 hours away one-way on a good day. 3 hours when traffic was bad. Why do we do this? So we can provide a house for the family, and maybe live in a good hood.

How many thousands of people do this? Judging from the bumper to bumper traffic at 4:50am, it's the norm. It's the American way of life. It's the American dream that we all chase after.

Yes, it was a bitch. So we say f-uck it. Took a 50% pay cut and moved to another state. My drive is 45 mins to work today.

How many are still stuck and did not take that option?

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I moved to Northern AZ JUST for this reason. Along with cheaper living costs, cheaper gas, and zero traffic.
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not even once. I live in San Diego, and guess lucky enough to live 8 miles from home. get off at 6 and latest i get home is about 6:20-6:25. I don't understand some of the people I work with who live 50+ miles from work.
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Or you can add to the discussion with your own experiences/beliefs?
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EDIT: and for the record, this thread is about Bill Cosby's comments in regard to the black community. He (being a black man) basically said the same thing all us 'white people with one or two black friends' said. Why do you think that is? I welcome a differing opinion especially if you have actual experience in said environment.
I would converse with you guys but Iím jaded by the shear amount of topics about the black community in general on this site. While other nationalities are never scrutinized nor talked about to the degree of the black community, you guys are fascinated by the black people in all the wrong ways.

The mob mentality on this site is disgusting whenever the subject is about black people. Nothing I care to partake in considering itís like talking to a barn door with most of you guys/trolls.

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I would converse with you guys but Iím jaded by the shear amount of topics about the black community in general on this site. While other nationalities are never scrutinized nor talked about to the degree of the black community, you guys are fascinated by the black people in all the wrong ways.

The mob mentality on this site is disgusting whenever the subject is about black people. Nothing I care to partake in considering itís like talking to a barn door with most of you guys/trolls.

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I would converse with you guys but Iím jaded by the shear amount of topics about the black community in general on this site. While other nationalities are never scrutinized nor talked about to the degree of the black community, you guys are fascinated by the black people in all the wrong ways.

The mob mentality on this site is disgusting whenever the subject is about black people. Nothing I care to partake in considering itís like talking to a barn door with most of you guys/trolls.

Peace.
While I cannot speak for everyone, and I agree there are A LOT of trolls on the subject, I came across this Bill Cosby quote and thought it was interesting in light of the whole George Zimmerman verdict and reaction.

I posted this and am trying to have a legitimate conversation on the topic. I think it's going well and it's not hard to spot and skip over the trolls and have an enlightened discussion.

Again, I am open to all opinions on the subject.

But you claim it's racism and don't partake, leaving the discussion to a few with actual opinions and a few trolls.

If people have differing opinions and don't speak up, they are just as responsible for the popularity of the trolls. If there were 10 people having a serious discussion and 2 trolls it would be much different.

Now that I think about it, GDD is just like the community Bill Cosby is talking about. Intelligence is silent and ignorance is loud and commonplace.

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What Cosby fails to realize is the poverty levels of African americans are a contributory factor to the violence. We have a system that makes it VERY difficult to to escape poverty successfully. Young blacks turn to selling drugs and violence as a way out, but lack the education to build on money earned illegally. What people don't understand is a small time drug dealer pays no taxes. So their take home is equal to a Doctor or Lawyer. It is FAST money too.
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So what about the predominantly white neighborhoods that are just as poor (while not as prevalent) as the poor black communities?

Are they just as gang and drug riddled and we don't see it because it's not on the news and GDD doesn't make threads about it? (serious question)

If not, why?

EDIT: My honest guess would be the amount of people packed into such a small amount of space (project buildings) makes it worse. Maybe
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Same here. Do you know why gas is "cheaper" here in AZ? Consider there is no harbor and oil comes from the middle east. The Alaska pipe line (or one of those) runs down into AZ. So there is "less" transportation cost. 120 degrees is not that bad (with AC working OT).

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My 2hr drive was exactly 67 miles away. There was no choice back then. I could not afford a 1 hr hour drive for 600K-700K old house in the SF bay area. Living close to work would cost me $850-$1M for a 75 year old beater house. So I moved to Central CA.

There were many horrific accidents on 205 and 580. Just sad sometimes to see people leave for work, like I do, and they are not going home.
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So what about the predominantly white neighborhoods that are just as poor (while not as prevalent) as the poor black communities?

Are they just as gang and drug riddled and we don't see it because it's not on the news and GDD doesn't make threads about it? (serious question)

If not, why?

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I say poverty is a CONTRIBUTORY factor. Social status is another. Blacks simply aren't valued as much as whites. This leads to self esteem issued that leads to a nihilist mindset. There still are underlying racial feelings of superiority from poorer whites. At least they can feel good about themselves. These feelings are not shared by blacks. Poorer blacks tend to have self esteem/self worth issues.
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Bill Cosby should realize it's not about race anymore but class. (Socioeconomic Status)

Lower class white, brown, yellow, etc. all struggle to adequately parent their children. Why? Oh I'm sure Bill's annecdotal tales of poor English and lack of pride in appearance happen because I've seen it. But the reality is that most kids don't get adequate parenting because their parents have to work 2-3 jobs to equal one middle class white collar job. That's just to maintain a house in an undesireable neighborhood and keep what little food on the table they can.

Kids aren't born with values. They absorb and learn them from people they respect and look up to but if those people happen to be the local meth dealer, crack dealer, etc. then that's what they end up assigning value to themselves. You might hear a few success stories coming out of poorer areas but that generally happens when extended family is around to pick up the "parenting" slack.

So Bill is right but his perception is skewed by his wealth like most "rich folk," who think poor people ought to just quit being so damn poor.
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We, as black folks have to do a better job.


We? What we?

All you can do is make sure you do the best you can and maybe help others that are less fortunate along the way.

We?


Shut the **** up Bill.
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We? What we?

All you can do is make sure you do the best you can and maybe help others that are less fortunate along the way.

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Shut the **** up Bill.
That mentality is what HURTS the black community. It WILL take all of us together working. It took all of us for the Civil Rights movement.
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We, as a purplish/lavender color, must do a better job.

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You might hear a few success stories coming out of poorer areas but that generally happens when extended family is around to pick up the "parenting" slack.
I used to do tax returns (in the hood) at East Palo Alto (CA). There would be people coming in and need help with their tax returns. They have 0-4 kids, but would claim 6-7. What?

How come? Their son is in jail, their brother is jail, don't know where their daughter went, and he-she became the legal guardian of the kid, or at least for tax purposes based on the level of support.

I did my job to ask the questions, and not 2nd guess their answers, to qualify. Someone got to take those kids in.
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Bill Cosby should realize it's not about race anymore but class. (Socioeconomic Status)

Lower class white, brown, yellow, etc. all struggle to adequately parent their children. Why? Oh I'm sure Bill's annecdotal tales of poor English and lack of pride in appearance happen because I've seen it. But the reality is that most kids don't get adequate parenting because their parents have to work 2-3 jobs to equal one middle class white collar job. That's just to maintain a house in an undesireable neighborhood and keep what little food on the table they can.

Kids aren't born with values. They absorb and learn them from people they respect and look up to but if those people happen to be the local meth dealer, crack dealer, etc. then that's what they end up assigning value to themselves. You might hear a few success stories coming out of poorer areas but that generally happens when extended family is around to pick up the "parenting" slack.

So Bill is right but his perception is skewed by his wealth like most "rich folk," who think poor people ought to just quit being so damn poor.
Couldn't agree more. I honestly think society's issue (not a black or white issue) is greed. Plain and simple we're all programmed to think we need to own XYZ, and live to a certain standard. The American dream if you will. If people would just realize that there is more to life than what we own, we'd be better off.
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Kids aren't born with values. They absorb and learn them from people they respect and look up to but if those people happen to be the local meth dealer, crack dealer, etc. then that's what they end up assigning value to themselves.
That is why the community needs to band together to GET RID OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS. Its a cultural thing to not call the cops and snitch. Poorer blacks need to police their neighborhoods. Be parents like Cosby says. The stop snitching thing is what keeps the neighborhoods rife with crime.
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The mentality is the issue. It's the same as the 'stop snitching' paired with the cops don't care about black people mentality.

Maybe it's not a black thing, but there are poor white communities that don't have these issues to the extent blacks do.

WHY?

Is it because there are so many people living in such close proximity to each other?

It's not about the style of clothes or slang used in conversing, it's deeper than that for sure.

EDIT: Rico beat me to it.

IDK if he's trolling (I know he's not black) but he's making a good point.

I agree with GK and Clayton to an extent, but I think the bottom line is that people need to accept responsibility for their actions and their communities.

If my child is looking up to a meth dealer as a role model, I have failed as a parent.
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