cDuck28Z

I am building a one-off tube frame car and drawing it in AutoCAD. Im almost finished except i dont know the dimensions of a vTec with a manual tranny. A 3D Rendering of an engine would be perfect, but just some general dimensions would do fine.

Oh yeah, and if you want, i can post my .DWG AutoCad Files (Or 3D Studio Max, AutoDesk Inventor, Revit... basically any format you could ever want) online for anyone who wants to see... or help.


Thanks!!

Bantam

you're probably going to want to specify what engine you are looking for.

DaveF

damn, i hope you have a lot of time on your hands.

post some shots of it !

danielm3

Make sure to add lots and lots of support tubes around the engine. When that Vtec hits all hell is going to break lose.

cDuck28Z

I've only got it in a crude 3D state right now. I'm waiting until i get all my geometry correct to finalize it and add the tubing. What format do you guys want it in??


...I also dont have any of the back portion anywhere near finished because i dont know hoe wide or how deep the engine is.

ManBearPig4silly

you are going to need one physically in front of you.

God I hope you REALLY enjoy measuring stuff.

what engine btw? There are about 12341234213a different vtec engines.

cDuck28Z

I dont know what Vtec engine, the only real reason im thinking of a honda engine is because there are so many aftermarket parts out there for them. Also, i want to run a frontwheel drive 5-spd engine so i can mount it in the rear and not have to worrie about a trans-axle. Although it would be perfect if i could get the exact dimensions and measurements of a specific engine, the truth is that i only really need rough dimensions right not to mostly finish off the back-half of the car. its not like im going to be within a 1/64" or anything.

Westrock2000

I don't know how much money your willing to spend on this project, but you may look at the Toyota MR-S Spyder. It had a 1.8L 4 cylinder (1ZZ) that was pretty similar to the engines offered in the Civics as far as power and it has a VTEC type system. However, you can also swap the Toyota Celica GT-S (2ZZ) which was also 1.8L, but much more performance orientated, kind of inbetween Honda's B-Series and K-Series. Stock they dyno about 160HP to the wheels, and there is several parts paths you can take including all motor and forced induction.

The reason I bring up the MR-S, is because they are not terribly expensive and with that you get a transverse mid-engine with 5 or 6 speed transmission oppurtnities. They are pretty small and full out only weigh about 2300-2400 pounds. So you could cut off everything but the bottom of the chassis and replace the main body with a tube frame. You then you would retain basic things like drivetrain, steering & suspension mounting points.

But if this is like a school project or for a certain racing class then that probably won't be an option.

cDuck28Z

All im really looking for is something like this... but honda




Modified by cDuck28Z at 3:37 PM 8/8/2007

weiRtech

why not pick up an engine first, then do the design? makes sense to me, that way you are only doing things once. (in theory anyway) plus the fact that you will be more commited to finishing the project.

joey1320

why not get an aircooled vw engine?
theres a shitload of parts for them for cheap and you can make really good power with those believe it or not. and they are really easy to work on.

.RTErnie

S2000 engine and trans....

or a B18 or B16.

B series are cheap to build...and redily available. You can use an LS block, GSR block, or a B16 block.....with a B16 head, B18 head, or type R head. (b18c5)

Im not a honda guy...so I dont really know. But I'd put your money on getting a stock GSR engine and trans.

cDuck28Z

Im not getting an engine first because it would be stupid to have an engine without building the car. I know it would kinda force me to build it, but i also am planning on retrofitting a '69 camaro body with a '2001 camaro interior, engine, and electronics to make one bad *** Resto Mod. The camaro is definitely a more feasible project and is something that i actually plan on doing this winter. Ionly wanna do this honda powered custom car becasue it figure it would be way easier on fuel only pushing around 200lbs rather than 3500, and it would be cool as hell to build my own car. I already have the whole frame drawn in 3D wireframe, but i dont have any of the tubing attached. Its also a good way to keep my AutoCAD Skills up to date. Anyway, if anyone has any dimensions, i can finish the back half and post my plans if anyone wants to see them

standbackimapro

I love how hondas are so simple, but some people need to complicate the hell out of them

cDuck28Z

all i need is 3 numbers: length, width, height

Bakeoff

ok, again, you're missing the point.
Saying a vtec engine is like saying a "Ford motor."
There are D series, B series, H, F, K, etc.
All of those platforms have different dimensions. Depending on what axles you want to use, it would change your overal width. You need to nail down some specifics before anyone can help you.
Honestly, I wouldn't do a vtec motor. If you want something easy, get an H23 swap. Cable shift (easy to setup in this configuration) and it CHEAP with some good power.
But really, pick a motor, then someone can help you.

93dagsr

just give him the dimensions of the biggest honda motor?? that way he can be over and not worry about anything! what would it be?? the cr-v? ridgeline? s2k?

2point2

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I wish it was that easy.

Super Chicken

3.2 liter Acura V-6 inline fwd

perfect power plant for a mid engine car the new RL has 290hp!!! looks like this layout except the axles come out of the oil pan




Modified by Super Chicken at 12:47 AM 8/13/2007

cDuck28Z

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And why cant it be?? If someone asked for a SBC (thats, Small Block Chevy for the import guys) dimensions, it would be that easy. A SBC Is the exact same engine from the mid 1950's to the late 1990's. It seems as though Chevy got it right the first time and didn't have to mess around with 1000 different engines styles.

All I'm asking for are rough dimensions. Say its about 25 in long, 9in wide, and 19in tall. Are those fairly accurate dimensions for a 2000 Honda Civic FWD w/ a 5spd??


Modified by cDuck28Z at 3:48 PM 8/13/2007

93dagsr

3' l
18" w
2' t

rough estimates...

cDuck28Z

Thank you so much!!!

tsiah

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what do these 2 thoughts have to do with each other? and what the F*ck is a V6 inline FWD?
you mean longitudinally mounted V6 I assume.
(lengthwise with the car...belts at the front)

the TL and RL engines are no longer longitudinally mounted. they are transverse mounted (like the older C27 in the V6 accord and the 1g legend ...or like the C30/C32 in the NSX) the axles are mounted through the transmission like a normal FWD car (the G25, C30, C32 and C35 in the mid 90's legend/RL/vigor/TL did have a longitudinally mounted engine with axles coming through the oil pan...pain in the *** cars)

anyway...chevy got it right?
no...just too cheap to design a better engine
lol, jk...sbc is a nice engine


how about this. what is this car going to be? sand rail? drag?
were I building a sand rail, I would use a D series engine. they are small, light, easy to work on, cheap and readily available (in VTEC and non-VTEC variations to your hearts content)

if I wanted some crazy *** drag car, I'd stuff a J series in that bitch (3.0L , 3.2L, 3.5L and 3.7L variants...all SOHC VTEC ranging from 200 hp to 300 hp)
the J series are a wee bit more expensive, bigger and heavier than a D series...but a D just wouldnt have the same oomf and many J series engines can be had with a 6spd manual trans :D

cDuck28Z

How big is a D series engine???

cDuck28Z

How big is a D series engine???