jdm inc

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I was wondering if anyone else had this problem? I did an oil change on the motor twice and both times there was no oil in the oil filter. Please help thanks.

InvaderTrax

What kind of filter? How many miles between oil changes? Usually it's because the anti-drain back valve gets stuck open

jdm inc

iTrader: (11)

wix oil filter and between oil changes i had about 10 dyno pulls and 2 clean runs down the track.

Scott_Tucker

Since all your oil flows to the filter it sounds doubtful that it was actually empty, especially after dyno pulls and track runs. Is it completely empty and dry when you take it off? Is it the right part number for the enigine?

jdm inc

iTrader: (11)

yes its the right part number. there was no oil in the filter at all. but there seem to be some right before the flapper. part of the filter

Scott_Tucker

Did you check your oil pressure?

jdm inc

iTrader: (11)

yes oil pressure is good. also check to make sure the head is getting oil and thats good.

fourthgenhatchB17

Well, if your engine is still running, then all is well. Id love for no oil to come out of the filter when I do an oil change...makes for a clean job. lol

jdm inc

iTrader: (11)

yea thats kind of what i figured, but had me kind of worried.

jdm inc

iTrader: (11)

anyone else?

4thgenHB157

ya cut the filter open, there has to be oil in it. i would go with a different brand, it would be nice to not have oil in the filter for the change but it would be nice to know the filter was doing its job and capturing those dangerous little particles

KWayRacing

I always rock the OEM filter and washer combo. Have never seen a problem with one.

jdm inc

iTrader: (11)

i will prob go with a different brand. It looks like oil has been ran threw though. I cranked it over for about a min or so and then took the oil filter off and there was oil in there.

low_boosted

I just did an oil change and not much oil came out with it. Im glad nice and easy nothing really to clean up. And seeing that you cranked and took the filter off with oil in it you should be good to go!

jdm inc

iTrader: (11)

^^did your car sit for very long?

1992Si

I remember noticing this from time to time also. I think it mostly happens after the car has been sitting before I changed the oil.

I remember it was common on the race motor.

low_boosted

Well I just bought it but the last owner didn't really drive it at all.

jdm inc

iTrader: (11)

so nothing to worry about right? Do you know y it so common on race motor?

RicardoPTmax

hey guys... i am noticing the same in a D16 engine...
I noticed the cold start noise that occurs by, in the mornings of days after having stoped the engine in the day before while it was fully warm.
I also tested this morning by unscrewing the oil filter without any preparation and, hold and behold not a single drop of oil came out, nor of the engine nor the filter... the filter had some remains of oil inside it but the spinning spreaded it inside so it there was not enough oil to drip a single drop "in this operation".

I am currently using Mahle OC 196. and the sound lasts for 1 or 2 seconds.
The recurrent engine sounds durring cold starts happen also with the OEM Honda Oil Filter... Purflux made in this case (Made in France) because this is the filter thathonda dealer sels to the public. you guys must have diferent oem brands in USA and other continents. This filter is painted dark green.

I havent tested this with the, what i call, the original "Made in Japan" Oil filters, which is painted black. This filter seem to be the one they aply when you let the honda dealer oficial workshop do the maintenance.

Other things i have noticed....

Even when i do O.C. and leave all the oil run out of the engine's lubrication system, if i simply pour new oil into the oil filter and aply it, this alone, is suficient to have a super normal engine start with no strange noise.

So conclusions are the anti-drain back valves of the oil filters are not working properly and let the oil drain to the sump during the night.

My engine is old. So I was thinking of looking to the lubrication system desing to see if there is any possibility of the oil being dripping out of the lubrication system completely, through the crankshaft bearing/rods.

Anyone that have built this engines, D16Zx, if you can opinate regarding this, i would appreciate, thanks in advance

I myself, will try to do some testing with the old oil filter that i haven't disposed off yet, to see if i can conclude anything by visual inspection of any leaks on the filter.

Thanks

RicardoPTmax

well update...

the engine block has the crankshaft positioned lower than the filter. so, in a older engine the bearing clearances must be enough to leave the oil drain through the bearings over night.

the old oil pump, the oil filter anti-drain back valve leaving the slight drop to flow its suficient to empty the system of any oil during the night

this is very common, there are very few people that have posted about this but the testemony is the same.

solution, for now...
try the bigger aftermarket oil filter(stores more oil). i ordered hp-1004 from k&n, lets see what he does. there isn't any in stock here in portugal, thing has to come from uk. lets wait and see.

jdm inc

iTrader: (11)

what is your oil pressure like?