Bobby_Budds

I've read contradicting information about this. Maybe someone here can enlighten me. Is there any reason anyone would want to change there 98 Civic EX front brakes to Integra brakes or Integra GSR brakes? Or are they all the same?

EFRue57

rotors are the same size. integra has a bigger caliper piston and uses a bigger pad.

ejprimo

ditto.

macson

Do the GSR calipers bolt right up, nothing else needed?

jr_deleon

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I noticed you list the GSR brakes separate from the other Integras. Thats another myth that needs clearing: GSR brakes are no different than the other Integras (besides the ITR) Same pads, rotors, lines, calipers. So yes from the RS to the GSR they are the same.

They bolt up, but use the Integra calipers AND brackets so you can use the larger pads. Otherwise, you can use just the Integra calipers with Ex bracket and pads.

roastbeefrichie

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(X2) > i agree with jr_deleon...

all 94-01 integra (except ITR) use the same front caliper (stamped 17CL14VN) regardless if it is from an LS, RS, GS or GSR

all 94-01 integra (except ITR) use the same rear caliper (stamped 7CLP13S) regardless if it from an LS, RS, GS or GSR

jr_deleon

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Man roastbeefrichie, no matter how many times we will ever post this up, someone tomorrow or weeks from now will ask that same question. All it does it rack up our post counts lol

EFRue57

I thought of posting that too, but considering how many times it has already been posted and how people still seem to think otherwise, I decided against, lol.

jr_deleon

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Man no matter if its a noob or what, even asking that question gets me so annoyed. Some people just decide not to read and figure it out.

Natural Aspirations

99-00 Si are the same as the 94-01 Teg correct?

EFRue57

yep.

black magic

Doesn't the integra have a bigger mc as well?

98mugenferio

i'd like to know about the master cylinder too

sk8shorty012

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96-00 EX / 99-00 Si / 94-01 Integra (Non-Type R) are ALL the SAME front pad size.

I literally matched them up at the dealer I worked up yesterday. SAME ****. There's NO point to getting "integra" front brakes on your civic, unless they are from the Type-R.

xd69

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Are you sure about that? If that were true, why would the part numbers be different between the Civics and the Integras?

Natural Aspirations

Checking part numbers at www.hondapartsdeals.com SI and EX front brakes and pads have the EXACT same parts and part numbers, the acura parts show different part numbers.

Going on to whats inside, searching for caliper rebuild kits shows:
Honda kits show Front; Bore = 2" and Rear; Bore = 1-3/16"
ACURA kits show Front; Bore = 57mm and Rear; Bore = 1-3/16"

Si/Ex uses a smaller front piston by ~6mm

xd69

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Because of the larger piston, i think the pads are slightly different.

Here are some part numbers that prove this:
Civic (Ex/Si)
Dealership: 45022-S01-A02
Autozone : DG465A
EBC Yellow: EBC-DP4812R
Axxis ULT : 45-08290U
Hawk HP+: HB275N.620

Integra (exc Type R)
Dealership: 45022-ST7-405
Autozone : DG617
EBC Yellow: EBC-DP41206R
Axxis ULT : 45-06170U
Hawk HP+: HB245N.631

raverx3m

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i also heard that a 98-01 GSR brake calipers are bigger.
my friend swears they are.

can it be that they are just stamped differently starting in 98?

98mugenferio

i can say that i just swapped over dc fronts on my civic and got new pads and looked up part numbers. my calipers were off a 94 and are nissim calipers. the pads i got for a 00 and were same size but i noticed that the 98+ calipers were not stamped nissin. could have to with us production of the integra

raverx3m

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thats what i thought.

1320performance

I just went to HAWK website and checked that mine 94 civic ex w/abs use the same pad as the integra.

BlueIntegraBoy

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Yes,

92-95 Civic EX ABS and Si ABS have the same exact brakes as a 94-01 Integra (with ABS)

94eg!

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Okay here are a few facts to help with this thread (all use same rear brakes):

Integra NON ABS setup:
- 17CL14VN calipers w/ larger piston
- Larger/cheaper brake pads
- 10.2" rotors
- 15/16" Master cylinder

Integra ABS setup:
- 17CL14VN calipers w/ larger piston
- Larger/cheaper brake pads
- 10.2" rotors
- 1" Master cylinder

92-00 Civic/Sol w/ big front brakes NON-ABS (92-00 EX, 99-00 Si, 94+ VTEC)
- 16CL14VN calipers w/ smaller piston
- Smaller more expensive brake pads
- 10.2" rotors
- 7/8" master cylinder

92-00 Civic/Sol with ABS:
- 17CL14VN calipers with larger piston
- larger cheaper brake pads
- 10.2" rotors
- 1" master cylinder

91 Civic EX Sedan NON ABS:
- 17CL14VN calipers w/ larger pistons
- larger/cheaper brake pads
- 10.2" rotors
- 15/16" Master cylinder

What's the lesson here? If your using 17CL.. calipers, get yourself a 15/16" master cylinder (unless you've got ABS). With 16CL calipers, use the 7/8" master cylinder.

On an interesting side note, the 16CL front calipers with their smaller pistons will actually produce a more aggressive braking system. Since they produce less brake torque, they will allow the rear tires to do more work before the fronts lock up. This, in turn, will shorten your stopping distance. This probably why they used this setup on the SiR II in Japan. If I were to build myself a brake system, it would go like this: 16CL front calipers w/ 17CL caliper brackets (to use cheaper Integra pads), and then a 7/8" master cylinder. For the back I would use discs and either a 4040 Integra valve or the 3040 92-95 Civic Si valve. You would have to test either valve to see which was better...

94EG8

Del Sol Vtec brakes are unique as far as I can tell to themselves and '92 - '95 JDM Civic SiR models. Also as far as '92 - '95 Civics are concerned at least ABS models used a 15/16s MC

I can confirm the both the non ABS EX coupes and JDM SiRs used 7/8 MCs and a 3030 prop valve, interesting because the EX came with rear drums, the SiR with rear discs.

94eg!

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The Del Sol VTEC comes with the same front calipers and MC as the Non ABS EX. I've compared the part numbers. It's prop valve has an odd number as do all Sol prop valves.

Are you 100% sure about the ABS Civic MC being 15/16"? That is the only MC I've yet to visually confirm. All the photo searching I did turned up no detailed pictures of the passengers side.