am i a scammer...... i don't think so.........
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am i a scammer...... i don't think so.........
(2:16 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: my be intersested in your 3 inch cat back, whats it made of? does it have a resonator or is it just straight back. has it been fitted to your car?
(2:19 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: yes been fitted to the exact T,its straight back(no resonator or cat)with all flanges and hangers,and its all standard aluminum piping 2 a 3" magna flow turbo muffler,sorry dont have pics of pipes,but do of my muffler.
(2:19 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: u have a email 2 send of muffler
(2:39 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: aluminum? never heard of people using that for exhaust. what gauge is it? it is a full 3 inch from downpipe to muffler right?
(3:02 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: well its 304 stainless steel,but not polished u know,
(3:03 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: yes from dp 2 muffler
(3:07 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: so you are sure it is 3 inch, 304 stainless, manderal bent, has hangers, and fits perfectly to a 94+ teg? also never been used?
are you completly sure it is stainless steel?? and $220 shipped??
(3:08 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: yes to the above,and 220 shipped
(3:09 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: what payment methods do you take?
(3:15 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: money order is fine,u can send money order 2 Tom Morgan at 81231 alberta ave.indio ca 92201
(3:16 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: do you have a vouch thead?
my address is 3700 riverside drive, ann arbor michigan, 48104.
my name is brent johnson
(3:17 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: whats up bro,have family in grand rapids
(3:18 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: oh yea these people can vouch for me:sparkz,tmex05,panda power,made in japan,00 FBPItR,eg6ken22,JCracer723,Shaun,trbo823, Jackson,DRFlickner, mssEG6,streetdreams02 , exactvox,itec311, jdmclvlc, sPoOLiN' EF8,B18Flip,Outsane
(3:23 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: oh yeah i see that in your sig now. i will send you the money order tomarrow after work.
i got family in grand rapids also, i lived there for the first 7 years of my life.
(3:28 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: haha coo,nice doing bizz with ya,if u like u can send it priority for like $5 extra,that way it will be here by sat,and i can have yours ou first thing monday
(3:33 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: as long as i get it within 3 weeks of sending out the money i will be happy, so priority mail isn't really needed
(3:44 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: koo....
(5:13 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: hey could you send a pic of the muffler to turbogsrb18c1@yahoo.com just want to see what muffler it is, either way i will send the money tomarow
(5:18 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: sent
(5:24 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: cool, is it welded on already? also does it just have a 3 inch tip? thats bad ***! it will look stock.
(5:29 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: what welded?yes on 3inch tip
(5:45 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: i ment welded onto the exhaust piping, or if its still lose, either way i can weld it on no problem, i am thinking it will take some welding to get it to fit my downpipe anyway
(5:47 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: no not welded
(3:19 AM 1/22/2004) spoon20: hasnt even been welded,all new
(3:26 AM 1/22/2004) 98gsrTEG: alright, cool... shiccccca
(3:27 AM 1/22/2004) spoon20: any chance on getting that money order out.
(3:27 AM 1/22/2004) 98gsrTEG: pop
(3:27 AM 1/22/2004) 98gsrTEG: Yes, I sent it out.
(3:28 AM 1/22/2004) spoon20: whats that mean
(3:28 AM 1/22/2004) spoon20: koo
(3:28 AM 1/22/2004) spoon20: imma put up as sale pending to u then brotha
(3:29 AM 1/22/2004) 98gsrTEG: Thanks much man, let me know when you get it. I sent it regular US mail, so it should only be 3-4 days or so.
pop.
(3:29 AM 1/22/2004) spoon20: no probs bro.
(1:34 AM 1/23/2004) 98gsrTEG: oh and just so you know i wraped the money order in newspaper so you can tell what it is when held up to the light. just so you don't open it and say what the ****? and throw it away
(1:35 AM 1/23/2004) 98gsrTEG: cant tell what it is*
(1:41 AM 1/23/2004) spoon20: koo,whats it comeing in.
(1:44 AM 1/23/2004) 98gsrTEG: a plain white envelope, but i put the money order in the middle of a bunch of newspaper, just in case
(1:46 AM 1/23/2004) spoon20: koolio...nice.
(12:02 AM 1/25/2004) spoon20: recieved money today,will have muffler and pipe sent out 2 Brent Johnson at 3700 riverside drive,ann arbor michigan 48104
(3:13 AM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: sweet, i will let you know when i get it
(3:14 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: koo deal.
(3:15 AM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: how long is the pipe, because i may need to pick it up from the post office. they are dicks about that stuff around here for some reason
(3:17 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: not that long
(3:17 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: should be no problem
(3:18 AM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: this is a full exhaust right????
(3:28 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: oops,holly **** i made a screw up,i hd like 10 deals happening last week,and screwed up,i meant 220 for the rear axle back considering everyting being new,will send u back your cash if u like,i'm truly sorry,
(3:29 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: hd meant to say rear axle back and muffler for 220 shipped.
(3:29 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: this is the one for full catback i originally had up
(3:29 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=734168
(3:36 AM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: ****,
hold off on sending it for a day or so, i am going to go see how much its gonna cost to get the rest of the piping. what happened to the rest of the piping?????
(3:38 AM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: because when i asked if it was a cat back with no resonator you said it was....
(3:48 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: yea like i said i was so busy running arund doing deals,lik 10 this week,have the other peice of piping,i'll do that one for 200,its long as hell,like 2 peices and will include the rest of the hangers and ****.
(3:49 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: i'll hold off till u decide.that would be the 220 i have plus the 200 for the rest so 420 for everything shipped
(4:09 AM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: dude thats way too much, i saw you edited the for sale thred also. why did you change it from exhaust to alxe back? this is not cool at all. i paid you 220 for a full 3 inch manderal bent exhaust, and you agreed. along with the origonal for sale thred said it was the whole thing, i have it saved along with the whole convo for refrance of money.
(4:28 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: i understand that,thats why i said i can refund u te money or jus send you out the brand new axle back,besides u and i know 220 SHiPPED for a full 3" inch catback and muffler,all brand new,noway...i'm telling u i;m sorry but i just cant do that....
(4:29 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: dude i edited the tread be4 u even sent me out any money
(4:32 AM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: i have the thred saved saying it was the whole thing. along with you telling me it was...
im going to have to call a few places tomarrow, i will let you know what i am doing then
(4:34 AM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: is it just one pipe? because a full alxe back is still 2 pipes, the whole exhaust is 3 pipes. depending on how it is made. does it have a flange?
(4:39 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: mines 3 pipes,one after dp 2 where resonator is,then one to where a oem axle back would start-2 muffler
(6:07 PM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: I don't want to be a dick about this. But I have an uncle who is a lawyer, and he said legally when we agreed on a price, and you said "yes, its from dp to muffler" that was a legaly binding contract. Regardless if money had been sent or not, we had agreed on a price for a full 3" catback with muffler.
Changing the item now is a breach of contract, and the contract is enforceable by law.
(7:01 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: tell your uncle thats fine,but see i'm not sending you my full catback,i'll sale u my axle back for that 220 price...if not imma jus return your deposit.
(7:02 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: dude believe me i had guy on here 2 trade me his full 2.5 inch apexi n1 catback and 75 dollars,let alone u want it for 220 and shipped,mines all brand new....NOWAY
(7:03 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: i screwed up now i'm ready to return the money,or your items
(7:35 PM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: I don't think you understand, and I am still undecided about what I want to do.
However, strickly speaking from a legal standpoint. There was a contract between me and you for a 3" full catback for $220 + shipping. Regardless if you feel that is a bad deal or not, the contract is there. You can't simply refund my money, because the contracted included a b pipe. Simply refunding my money still would be a breach, as it is not fullfilling the contract we agreed on. The other option would be for you to lower the price so I am able to go and have a B pipe made.
^ This is just what my uncle told me.
(7:38 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: well truthfully u would have to have a sign contract and have it notorized in order for it to be a contract,no signature no contract,any judge will tell u that,and throw it outta court,going by word of mouth...
(7:40 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: hows u send me 170 more,and i'll do those 2 other pipes shipped,that already would be 390 shipped,already 60 dollars less than my 450 shipped post
(7:45 PM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: That is what TV would have you beleive. The truth is, in contract law even verbal contracts can be binding. There is no need for signature, and contract law has changed greatly since the spread of internet sales. Both parties agreed, that is a binding contract. I have documentation of our conversations.
Take a look at ebay for example, each bid is a BINDING contract, no signature.
If you don't beleive me, read up on contract law, call a lawyer. They will all tell you that in this case it is a binding contract regardless of signature. Judges have ruled in favor of the buyer in situations like these in the past, and the federal goverment has no problem investigating matters (and I have had to resort to that before).
(7:49 PM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: I will have to consider your offer.
(7:50 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: thats fine but it would be just like a business ,like i would refuse any service,so i would just refund your money if i wanted to be a dick...i'm the seller your the buyer.And me as a seller know that 220 shipped for a full 3" catback is KRAZY....sorry cant do it.
(7:51 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: like i said 170 more,and u will have the full catback...
(7:53 PM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: Its too late for that, you would have had to refuse my service before there was an offer, acceptance, and consideration.
You offered to sell a fullcatback for $220 shipped. I accepted. The consideration was the money that I sent.
Is there a legal liability if a party is in breach of a term in an online contract?
A: Yes. An online merchant can sue a buyer at the Small Claims Tribunal (which handles claims of not more than HK$50,000.00) for the unpaid price. An online merchant who has accepted an order from a buyer may also face a buyer's claim but the loss will be the price the buyer has to additionally pay for buying the same merchandise from another merchant.
(7:56 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: like i said another 170 and the caback is yours,i'm not trying to screw anyone here....
(7:56 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: will ship out this axleback ad when i recieve the ohe r 170 the othe r pipes will be out...
(7:57 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: it was a major miscommunication between me you and about ten other h-t members that emailed me that day...
(8:05 PM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: Well I still have to think about it. Like I said, there is still a legal contract between me and you for a full 3" catback for $220 shipped. There was everything that is required to form a legal binding online contract.
It wasn't really a miscommunication, as you clearly told me it was DP back.
Contract law is really something you should know, especially if you are selling these mass quantity.
(8:30 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: yea but i had so many people hit me up that day,i want the cat-back,no i want the axleback,so i got confused,,,
(11:56 PM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: alright, after talking to a few people, this is what i have decided. we agreed on 220 for a catback, i sent the money, i found out that it is a full alxeback, then i found out its not even a full axle back. just a muffler and a small pipe, this is not accepable. i am willing to pay 220 shipped for the full alxe back. meaning both pipes and the muffler. I am willing to forget about the long b pipe.
this is the easy way out for you, since i have the origonal post saved, our convos saved, you are legaly obligated to sell me the whole thing for $220, but i realize that is a very low price for you and that is why i am willing to just take the muffler and the 2 end pipes for the 220.
here is were you say it is full downpipe to muffler
(2:39 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: aluminum? never heard of people using that for exhaust. what gauge is it? it is a full 3 inch from downpipe to muffler right?
(3:02 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: well its 304 stainless steel,but not polished u know,
(3:03 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: yes from dp 2 muffler
(12:05 AM 1/27/2004) spoon20: yea i know i wrote that and i'm sorry but,axle back on my mandrel bent pipes would be the third section 2 muffler...dude imma jus send you your money back bro...
(12:07 AM 1/27/2004) spoon20: to much of a hassle....and jus talked to a buddy thats dad works for our county court,and he said judges laugh a vrbal contracts even considering it was a online deal using no sort of business reciepts of any sort...he said if nothing was signed nothing will go in small claims court as verbal.
(1:02 AM 1/27/2004) 98gsrTEG: even so, my uncle who is a lawyer said that if we agrred on somthing and you went back on it after i sent you money via mail, it is considered mail fraud also, because you are resufing shipment of what you said you would sell me fot that price
(1:03 AM 1/27/2004) 98gsrTEG: what do you mean by third section 2 muffler?
(1:13 AM 1/27/2004) spoon20: i told u my mandrel bent pipes are three peices,1st pipe that goes from dp to resonator ,2nd pipe that goes from resonator 2 where a axle back will start,and mine is the third pipe that starts where a oem axle back will go to muffler.
(1:14 AM 1/27/2004) spoon20: i'm tired of hearing these threats your 220 will be back to ann arbor tomm,sorry we couldn't come to a concluson,or your axle back will be out...you make the choice tonight,or else its money back.
(1:20 AM 1/27/2004) 98gsrTEG: also it is still an online contract. there are 3 parts of a contract. 1. the offer, 2.the acceptance, 3. the consideration.
the money order sent over state lines is the consideration and since it is over state lines it becomes federal and it is proof of the contract. money orders can be tracked. if it was just you and me agreeing to buy exhaust over the phone it would not be a binding contract. since it was online and i have proof of our contract through my saved records of our conversations, and throught honda-tech's web logs, it is a true contract and no judge will laugh at any contract.
I feel that you are trying to rip me off here and it is because of this i feel obligated to notify other members of this site by posting the info on the scammer list here on honda-tech. I really don't want it to come to somthing like this, but you clearly said it was full and for 220 shipped and you never told me that you had made a mistake untill i asked for the third time right before you were going to ship it.
(1:21 AM 1/27/2004) 98gsrTEG: my mistake oral contracts are binding but not as proveable. there is plenty of proof in this case
(1:34 AM 1/27/2004) spoon20: fine take me 2 court...
(1:36 AM 1/27/2004) spoon20: fine do so,and i'll sue u for defimation of character
(1:36 AM 1/27/2004) spoon20: if you want to get technical
(2:19 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: yes been fitted to the exact T,its straight back(no resonator or cat)with all flanges and hangers,and its all standard aluminum piping 2 a 3" magna flow turbo muffler,sorry dont have pics of pipes,but do of my muffler.
(2:19 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: u have a email 2 send of muffler
(2:39 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: aluminum? never heard of people using that for exhaust. what gauge is it? it is a full 3 inch from downpipe to muffler right?
(3:02 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: well its 304 stainless steel,but not polished u know,
(3:03 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: yes from dp 2 muffler
(3:07 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: so you are sure it is 3 inch, 304 stainless, manderal bent, has hangers, and fits perfectly to a 94+ teg? also never been used?
are you completly sure it is stainless steel?? and $220 shipped??
(3:08 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: yes to the above,and 220 shipped
(3:09 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: what payment methods do you take?
(3:15 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: money order is fine,u can send money order 2 Tom Morgan at 81231 alberta ave.indio ca 92201
(3:16 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: do you have a vouch thead?
my address is 3700 riverside drive, ann arbor michigan, 48104.
my name is brent johnson
(3:17 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: whats up bro,have family in grand rapids
(3:18 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: oh yea these people can vouch for me:sparkz,tmex05,panda power,made in japan,00 FBPItR,eg6ken22,JCracer723,Shaun,trbo823, Jackson,DRFlickner, mssEG6,streetdreams02 , exactvox,itec311, jdmclvlc, sPoOLiN' EF8,B18Flip,Outsane
(3:23 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: oh yeah i see that in your sig now. i will send you the money order tomarrow after work.
i got family in grand rapids also, i lived there for the first 7 years of my life.
(3:28 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: haha coo,nice doing bizz with ya,if u like u can send it priority for like $5 extra,that way it will be here by sat,and i can have yours ou first thing monday
(3:33 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: as long as i get it within 3 weeks of sending out the money i will be happy, so priority mail isn't really needed
(3:44 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: koo....
(5:13 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: hey could you send a pic of the muffler to turbogsrb18c1@yahoo.com just want to see what muffler it is, either way i will send the money tomarow
(5:18 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: sent
(5:24 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: cool, is it welded on already? also does it just have a 3 inch tip? thats bad ***! it will look stock.
(5:29 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: what welded?yes on 3inch tip
(5:45 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: i ment welded onto the exhaust piping, or if its still lose, either way i can weld it on no problem, i am thinking it will take some welding to get it to fit my downpipe anyway
(5:47 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: no not welded
(3:19 AM 1/22/2004) spoon20: hasnt even been welded,all new
(3:26 AM 1/22/2004) 98gsrTEG: alright, cool... shiccccca
(3:27 AM 1/22/2004) spoon20: any chance on getting that money order out.
(3:27 AM 1/22/2004) 98gsrTEG: pop
(3:27 AM 1/22/2004) 98gsrTEG: Yes, I sent it out.
(3:28 AM 1/22/2004) spoon20: whats that mean
(3:28 AM 1/22/2004) spoon20: koo
(3:28 AM 1/22/2004) spoon20: imma put up as sale pending to u then brotha
(3:29 AM 1/22/2004) 98gsrTEG: Thanks much man, let me know when you get it. I sent it regular US mail, so it should only be 3-4 days or so.
pop.
(3:29 AM 1/22/2004) spoon20: no probs bro.
(1:34 AM 1/23/2004) 98gsrTEG: oh and just so you know i wraped the money order in newspaper so you can tell what it is when held up to the light. just so you don't open it and say what the ****? and throw it away
(1:35 AM 1/23/2004) 98gsrTEG: cant tell what it is*
(1:41 AM 1/23/2004) spoon20: koo,whats it comeing in.
(1:44 AM 1/23/2004) 98gsrTEG: a plain white envelope, but i put the money order in the middle of a bunch of newspaper, just in case
(1:46 AM 1/23/2004) spoon20: koolio...nice.
(12:02 AM 1/25/2004) spoon20: recieved money today,will have muffler and pipe sent out 2 Brent Johnson at 3700 riverside drive,ann arbor michigan 48104
(3:13 AM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: sweet, i will let you know when i get it
(3:14 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: koo deal.
(3:15 AM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: how long is the pipe, because i may need to pick it up from the post office. they are dicks about that stuff around here for some reason
(3:17 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: not that long
(3:17 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: should be no problem
(3:18 AM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: this is a full exhaust right????
(3:28 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: oops,holly **** i made a screw up,i hd like 10 deals happening last week,and screwed up,i meant 220 for the rear axle back considering everyting being new,will send u back your cash if u like,i'm truly sorry,
(3:29 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: hd meant to say rear axle back and muffler for 220 shipped.
(3:29 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: this is the one for full catback i originally had up
(3:29 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=734168
(3:36 AM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: ****,
hold off on sending it for a day or so, i am going to go see how much its gonna cost to get the rest of the piping. what happened to the rest of the piping?????
(3:38 AM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: because when i asked if it was a cat back with no resonator you said it was....
(3:48 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: yea like i said i was so busy running arund doing deals,lik 10 this week,have the other peice of piping,i'll do that one for 200,its long as hell,like 2 peices and will include the rest of the hangers and ****.
(3:49 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: i'll hold off till u decide.that would be the 220 i have plus the 200 for the rest so 420 for everything shipped
(4:09 AM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: dude thats way too much, i saw you edited the for sale thred also. why did you change it from exhaust to alxe back? this is not cool at all. i paid you 220 for a full 3 inch manderal bent exhaust, and you agreed. along with the origonal for sale thred said it was the whole thing, i have it saved along with the whole convo for refrance of money.
(4:28 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: i understand that,thats why i said i can refund u te money or jus send you out the brand new axle back,besides u and i know 220 SHiPPED for a full 3" inch catback and muffler,all brand new,noway...i'm telling u i;m sorry but i just cant do that....
(4:29 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: dude i edited the tread be4 u even sent me out any money
(4:32 AM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: i have the thred saved saying it was the whole thing. along with you telling me it was...
im going to have to call a few places tomarrow, i will let you know what i am doing then
(4:34 AM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: is it just one pipe? because a full alxe back is still 2 pipes, the whole exhaust is 3 pipes. depending on how it is made. does it have a flange?
(4:39 AM 1/26/2004) spoon20: mines 3 pipes,one after dp 2 where resonator is,then one to where a oem axle back would start-2 muffler
(6:07 PM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: I don't want to be a dick about this. But I have an uncle who is a lawyer, and he said legally when we agreed on a price, and you said "yes, its from dp to muffler" that was a legaly binding contract. Regardless if money had been sent or not, we had agreed on a price for a full 3" catback with muffler.
Changing the item now is a breach of contract, and the contract is enforceable by law.
(7:01 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: tell your uncle thats fine,but see i'm not sending you my full catback,i'll sale u my axle back for that 220 price...if not imma jus return your deposit.
(7:02 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: dude believe me i had guy on here 2 trade me his full 2.5 inch apexi n1 catback and 75 dollars,let alone u want it for 220 and shipped,mines all brand new....NOWAY
(7:03 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: i screwed up now i'm ready to return the money,or your items
(7:35 PM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: I don't think you understand, and I am still undecided about what I want to do.
However, strickly speaking from a legal standpoint. There was a contract between me and you for a 3" full catback for $220 + shipping. Regardless if you feel that is a bad deal or not, the contract is there. You can't simply refund my money, because the contracted included a b pipe. Simply refunding my money still would be a breach, as it is not fullfilling the contract we agreed on. The other option would be for you to lower the price so I am able to go and have a B pipe made.
^ This is just what my uncle told me.
(7:38 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: well truthfully u would have to have a sign contract and have it notorized in order for it to be a contract,no signature no contract,any judge will tell u that,and throw it outta court,going by word of mouth...
(7:40 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: hows u send me 170 more,and i'll do those 2 other pipes shipped,that already would be 390 shipped,already 60 dollars less than my 450 shipped post
(7:45 PM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: That is what TV would have you beleive. The truth is, in contract law even verbal contracts can be binding. There is no need for signature, and contract law has changed greatly since the spread of internet sales. Both parties agreed, that is a binding contract. I have documentation of our conversations.
Take a look at ebay for example, each bid is a BINDING contract, no signature.
If you don't beleive me, read up on contract law, call a lawyer. They will all tell you that in this case it is a binding contract regardless of signature. Judges have ruled in favor of the buyer in situations like these in the past, and the federal goverment has no problem investigating matters (and I have had to resort to that before).
(7:49 PM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: I will have to consider your offer.
(7:50 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: thats fine but it would be just like a business ,like i would refuse any service,so i would just refund your money if i wanted to be a dick...i'm the seller your the buyer.And me as a seller know that 220 shipped for a full 3" catback is KRAZY....sorry cant do it.
(7:51 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: like i said 170 more,and u will have the full catback...
(7:53 PM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: Its too late for that, you would have had to refuse my service before there was an offer, acceptance, and consideration.
You offered to sell a fullcatback for $220 shipped. I accepted. The consideration was the money that I sent.
Is there a legal liability if a party is in breach of a term in an online contract?
A: Yes. An online merchant can sue a buyer at the Small Claims Tribunal (which handles claims of not more than HK$50,000.00) for the unpaid price. An online merchant who has accepted an order from a buyer may also face a buyer's claim but the loss will be the price the buyer has to additionally pay for buying the same merchandise from another merchant.
(7:56 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: like i said another 170 and the caback is yours,i'm not trying to screw anyone here....
(7:56 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: will ship out this axleback ad when i recieve the ohe r 170 the othe r pipes will be out...
(7:57 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: it was a major miscommunication between me you and about ten other h-t members that emailed me that day...
(8:05 PM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: Well I still have to think about it. Like I said, there is still a legal contract between me and you for a full 3" catback for $220 shipped. There was everything that is required to form a legal binding online contract.
It wasn't really a miscommunication, as you clearly told me it was DP back.
Contract law is really something you should know, especially if you are selling these mass quantity.
(8:30 PM 1/26/2004) spoon20: yea but i had so many people hit me up that day,i want the cat-back,no i want the axleback,so i got confused,,,
(11:56 PM 1/26/2004) 98gsrTEG: alright, after talking to a few people, this is what i have decided. we agreed on 220 for a catback, i sent the money, i found out that it is a full alxeback, then i found out its not even a full axle back. just a muffler and a small pipe, this is not accepable. i am willing to pay 220 shipped for the full alxe back. meaning both pipes and the muffler. I am willing to forget about the long b pipe.
this is the easy way out for you, since i have the origonal post saved, our convos saved, you are legaly obligated to sell me the whole thing for $220, but i realize that is a very low price for you and that is why i am willing to just take the muffler and the 2 end pipes for the 220.
here is were you say it is full downpipe to muffler
(2:39 AM 1/21/2004) 98gsrTEG: aluminum? never heard of people using that for exhaust. what gauge is it? it is a full 3 inch from downpipe to muffler right?
(3:02 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: well its 304 stainless steel,but not polished u know,
(3:03 AM 1/21/2004) spoon20: yes from dp 2 muffler
(12:05 AM 1/27/2004) spoon20: yea i know i wrote that and i'm sorry but,axle back on my mandrel bent pipes would be the third section 2 muffler...dude imma jus send you your money back bro...
(12:07 AM 1/27/2004) spoon20: to much of a hassle....and jus talked to a buddy thats dad works for our county court,and he said judges laugh a vrbal contracts even considering it was a online deal using no sort of business reciepts of any sort...he said if nothing was signed nothing will go in small claims court as verbal.
(1:02 AM 1/27/2004) 98gsrTEG: even so, my uncle who is a lawyer said that if we agrred on somthing and you went back on it after i sent you money via mail, it is considered mail fraud also, because you are resufing shipment of what you said you would sell me fot that price
(1:03 AM 1/27/2004) 98gsrTEG: what do you mean by third section 2 muffler?
(1:13 AM 1/27/2004) spoon20: i told u my mandrel bent pipes are three peices,1st pipe that goes from dp to resonator ,2nd pipe that goes from resonator 2 where a axle back will start,and mine is the third pipe that starts where a oem axle back will go to muffler.
(1:14 AM 1/27/2004) spoon20: i'm tired of hearing these threats your 220 will be back to ann arbor tomm,sorry we couldn't come to a concluson,or your axle back will be out...you make the choice tonight,or else its money back.
(1:20 AM 1/27/2004) 98gsrTEG: also it is still an online contract. there are 3 parts of a contract. 1. the offer, 2.the acceptance, 3. the consideration.
the money order sent over state lines is the consideration and since it is over state lines it becomes federal and it is proof of the contract. money orders can be tracked. if it was just you and me agreeing to buy exhaust over the phone it would not be a binding contract. since it was online and i have proof of our contract through my saved records of our conversations, and throught honda-tech's web logs, it is a true contract and no judge will laugh at any contract.
I feel that you are trying to rip me off here and it is because of this i feel obligated to notify other members of this site by posting the info on the scammer list here on honda-tech. I really don't want it to come to somthing like this, but you clearly said it was full and for 220 shipped and you never told me that you had made a mistake untill i asked for the third time right before you were going to ship it.
(1:21 AM 1/27/2004) 98gsrTEG: my mistake oral contracts are binding but not as proveable. there is plenty of proof in this case
(1:34 AM 1/27/2004) spoon20: fine take me 2 court...
(1:36 AM 1/27/2004) spoon20: fine do so,and i'll sue u for defimation of character
(1:36 AM 1/27/2004) spoon20: if you want to get technical
01-26-2004, 04:46 PM
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Re: am i a scammer...... i don't think so......... (spoon20)
Just send him back his money...and end it....its pathetic when eople try saying this and that...if he gets his monoey abck end of story and dont **** up again. 
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Re: am i a scammer...... i don't think so......... (That Dood)
it was a full contract. he is saying he can say to anyone "im selling you full turbo kit for $500" then once the person sends the money, says "oh i made a mistake, its just the turbo"
I asked several times as you see if it was a full catabck and he repedidly said it was.
he is trying to back out becuase he doesn't think it is a good gain on his point
I asked several times as you see if it was a full catabck and he repedidly said it was.
he is trying to back out becuase he doesn't think it is a good gain on his point
01-26-2004, 04:50 PM
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Re: am i a scammer...... i don't think so......... (That Dood)
thats what i'm saying i fucked up and am ready to send which ever he prefers his cash or the axle back....
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Re: am i a scammer...... i don't think so......... (98gsrTEG)
sorry bout that it was in the postand jus copy and paste,my bad,see i'm not a bad guy...
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Long *** post... guy seems like a total dick to do buisness with.. wat does he think people are machines? **** ... ViVa la indio!
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01-26-2004, 04:59 PM
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Re: am i a scammer...... i don't think so......... (epsom salt)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by epsom salt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Long *** post... guy seems like a total dick to do buisness with.. wat does he think people are machines? **** ... ViVa la indio!</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah seriously.....take the refund, or take the goods
Tom's a good guy to deal with from my experience 
(even though he may not say the same about me j/k )
yeah seriously.....take the refund, or take the goods
Tom's a good guy to deal with from my experience (even though he may not say the same about me j/k )
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dude just let him send you the money order back and be done with it. your not getting a full cat for that price, he would have to be retard to do that. just move on man.
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i can vouch for Spoon20 also. he won't **** you over. the buyer seems to be a little bitch. just take the money back or get the axle back. don't make it any harder.
01-26-2004, 07:25 PM
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98gsrTEG, Just take your money back and call it a deal. No need to be a bitch about it.. Seriously, if you try and take him to court it will end up costing you more in the long run and you'll probably lose.. The judge will tell you if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is.
Oh yeah, good luck suing him since he probably wont EVER be in your city and he'll need to be served with papers..
Oh yeah, good luck suing him since he probably wont EVER be in your city and he'll need to be served with papers..
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i think your not a scammer at all...you realized you screwed up,you apologized,and you offered to to send the money back...you seem like a good seller to me you just made a simple mistake which i kno everyone is capable of making
01-26-2004, 07:43 PM
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You guys are overlooking the legal aspect.
Yeah that is an unbelievably low price for a full catback. But should anyone be able to renig what they are selling because they decide after the fact that the price is too low?
Personally I wouldn't trust anyone who made that mistake and didn't make any sort of move to rectify the situation.
No judge is going to say if it sounds too good to be true it is, even an entry level law class will teach you that.
This is taken straight out of a law book
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Requirements of a Contract:
The following list describes the four requirements that must be met before a valid contract exists. Each item will be explained more fully in the chapter indicated.
Agreement: An agreement includes and offer and an acceptance. One party must offer to enter into a legal agreement, and another party must accept the terms of the offer.
Consideration: Any promises made by parties must be supported by legally sufficient and bargained-for consideration (something of value received or promised, to convince a person to make a deal)
Contractual capacity: Both parties entering into the contract must have contractual capacity to do so; the law must recognize them as possessing characteristics that qualify them as competent parties.
Legality: The contract's purpose must be to accomplish some goal that is legal and not against public policy.
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This situation has all four elements of a contract.
Do people make mistakes? Yes of course. However 98gsrTEG did ask several times. Further I don't see spoon20 making any effort to compensate for the time lost, the cost of the money order (even though its not much). Especially considering he is legally entered into a contract for the exhaust. Is it reasonable to expect some leeway since accidents do happen?
Sure, sounds like getting the C pipe in the cost is reasonable.
Maybe its just me, but I expect higher level of professionalism from people trying to sell items in a mass-business scale. I feel you guys are cutting him slack because he is a "person" and not a business. I beleive the story would be much different had you ordered a full exhaust from http://www.jdmspoonstuff.com for $220, only to find out after sending in the money they only wanted to send you an axle back.
Starting a thread to mock a potential customer, posting his address, and then not even editing it out when it was pointed out is down right disgusting. Overall I get the sense that it is nothing but shady and slimmy business practices.
Yeah that is an unbelievably low price for a full catback. But should anyone be able to renig what they are selling because they decide after the fact that the price is too low?
Personally I wouldn't trust anyone who made that mistake and didn't make any sort of move to rectify the situation.
No judge is going to say if it sounds too good to be true it is, even an entry level law class will teach you that.
This is taken straight out of a law book
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Requirements of a Contract:
The following list describes the four requirements that must be met before a valid contract exists. Each item will be explained more fully in the chapter indicated.
Agreement: An agreement includes and offer and an acceptance. One party must offer to enter into a legal agreement, and another party must accept the terms of the offer.
Consideration: Any promises made by parties must be supported by legally sufficient and bargained-for consideration (something of value received or promised, to convince a person to make a deal)
Contractual capacity: Both parties entering into the contract must have contractual capacity to do so; the law must recognize them as possessing characteristics that qualify them as competent parties.
Legality: The contract's purpose must be to accomplish some goal that is legal and not against public policy.
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This situation has all four elements of a contract.
Do people make mistakes? Yes of course. However 98gsrTEG did ask several times. Further I don't see spoon20 making any effort to compensate for the time lost, the cost of the money order (even though its not much). Especially considering he is legally entered into a contract for the exhaust. Is it reasonable to expect some leeway since accidents do happen?
Sure, sounds like getting the C pipe in the cost is reasonable.
Maybe its just me, but I expect higher level of professionalism from people trying to sell items in a mass-business scale. I feel you guys are cutting him slack because he is a "person" and not a business. I beleive the story would be much different had you ordered a full exhaust from http://www.jdmspoonstuff.com for $220, only to find out after sending in the money they only wanted to send you an axle back.
Starting a thread to mock a potential customer, posting his address, and then not even editing it out when it was pointed out is down right disgusting. Overall I get the sense that it is nothing but shady and slimmy business practices.
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OK so the legal side is for the buyer, but how about the ethical side? we all get tooo wrapped up in the legal aspect but ethics is also important. It was an honest mistake, dont take advantage of the seller..
01-26-2004, 08:09 PM
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Well he more or less would have to trust that this guy made a mistake, and there wasn't anything else behind it. Me being outside of the situation, I can't say I know for sure.
The situation it puts the buyer in, is he already spent the time to get the money order, and the extra money on the money order, it would just be a larger waste of time to get the MO back and cash it. It more or less makes it more desirable to settle with what he didn't want in the first place, and it wasn't his mistake. Rereading the situation, he did bring up catback three times. It could have been a mistake, but it really puts the buyer at an unfortunate position for something that was not his fault. He obviously asked up on it more than once to be sure.
If the seller was making some move to compensate for the mistake, it would be different. If the seller didn't make this post, with the buyers address, (which I will note is not ethical) I might put my faith in him.
However judging just by what I have seen, something seems wrong.
The situation it puts the buyer in, is he already spent the time to get the money order, and the extra money on the money order, it would just be a larger waste of time to get the MO back and cash it. It more or less makes it more desirable to settle with what he didn't want in the first place, and it wasn't his mistake. Rereading the situation, he did bring up catback three times. It could have been a mistake, but it really puts the buyer at an unfortunate position for something that was not his fault. He obviously asked up on it more than once to be sure.
If the seller was making some move to compensate for the mistake, it would be different. If the seller didn't make this post, with the buyers address, (which I will note is not ethical) I might put my faith in him.
However judging just by what I have seen, something seems wrong.
01-26-2004, 08:24 PM
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ha!
First off what you have can be more interperated as a written contract, but that is really beside the point.
Because when entering into a contract the terms must be clear for a court to decide, so yeah both of you understand the lingo and abbreviations but to a court it looks nothing more than jumble. Thus the court cannot determine the terms of the contract and it will be dismissed.
On another note, your Uncle may be a lawyer and I am sure he is very intelligent. Since that is the case he would probably know that it is not worth his time and effort to take this to court especially since you can get your money back. He prob makes hundreds an hour, wasting that much time on his nephew to get him basically get him and extra $170 exhaust...I mean really...lets be honest...
So if you want my .02.....I say spoon20, send him back the $220 and make sure you send it priority mail with <u>DELIEVERY CONFIRMATION or something that is Trackable</u>
EDIT* - Yeah also spoon20...I would remove his address from the post out of repsect, you say you are not a bad guy and sure you may have made a mistake...but take his address out that is unethical
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First off what you have can be more interperated as a written contract, but that is really beside the point.
Because when entering into a contract the terms must be clear for a court to decide, so yeah both of you understand the lingo and abbreviations but to a court it looks nothing more than jumble. Thus the court cannot determine the terms of the contract and it will be dismissed.
On another note, your Uncle may be a lawyer and I am sure he is very intelligent. Since that is the case he would probably know that it is not worth his time and effort to take this to court especially since you can get your money back. He prob makes hundreds an hour, wasting that much time on his nephew to get him basically get him and extra $170 exhaust...I mean really...lets be honest...
So if you want my .02.....I say spoon20, send him back the $220 and make sure you send it priority mail with <u>DELIEVERY CONFIRMATION or something that is Trackable</u>
EDIT* - Yeah also spoon20...I would remove his address from the post out of repsect, you say you are not a bad guy and sure you may have made a mistake...but take his address out that is unethical
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01-26-2004, 08:29 PM
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I don't think anyone is seriously going to sue over this situation. But that doesn't mean the law shouldn't be considered. I would like to know that the people I am buying from will at least consider the law, instead of dismiss it because it doesn't suit them. Especially in this situation where it looks like spoon20 is looking to start a business selling these exhausts.
The problem I see with just returning the $220, is it is punishing the buyer for the sellers mistake. He has lost time, and money, for something he triple checked. If nothing else, some extra money should be tacked on for the inconvenience. You should be responsible and deal with your mistakes, not punish those who suffer from them. But thats just my opinion.
The problem I see with just returning the $220, is it is punishing the buyer for the sellers mistake. He has lost time, and money, for something he triple checked. If nothing else, some extra money should be tacked on for the inconvenience. You should be responsible and deal with your mistakes, not punish those who suffer from them. But thats just my opinion.
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First things first spoon20 is not a scammer, he made an honest mistake and has offered you options to resolve the situation. A scammer is someone who takes your $ disappears and sends you nothing. This is not the case here 
My suggestion is if you don't like the way the deal went with spoon20 then take your refund and go elsewhere, but don't make a huge deal out of nothing. I mean again it's onmly $220 and your talking about all these binding contracts, blah blah.
Yes he made a mistake, but seems like you trying to get a quick deal on someone elses mistake.
Spoon20 just send the M/o back along with the cost of the money order and leave this in the past. 98gsrteg why don't you do whats ethical and accept that he made a mistake instead of trying to profit from it. Would you sell the complete exhuast for $220? .................................................. ................I didnt think so.
Just for the record,Im not saying you don't have acase, or that your wrong, but just that your overreacting.
My suggestion is if you don't like the way the deal went with spoon20 then take your refund and go elsewhere, but don't make a huge deal out of nothing. I mean again it's onmly $220 and your talking about all these binding contracts, blah blah.
Yes he made a mistake, but seems like you trying to get a quick deal on someone elses mistake.
Spoon20 just send the M/o back along with the cost of the money order and leave this in the past. 98gsrteg why don't you do whats ethical and accept that he made a mistake instead of trying to profit from it. Would you sell the complete exhuast for $220? .................................................. ................I didnt think so.
Just for the record,Im not saying you don't have acase, or that your wrong, but just that your overreacting.
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StyleTeg, you make an excellent point!
I fully beleive that buyers and sellers share the burden when buying/selling an item. 98gsrTEG did fulfil that end of his responsibilty, and I agree that spoon20 made a mistake in this business transaction. We all make mistakes, but as you point out if he is wanting to become a regular seller, then managing sales is part of the game. Not to mention the slogan "the customer is always right". Word of mouth travels far and it would be in spoon20 best interests if he hopes to start a business to come to a "fair" conclusion. Sometimes we have to take loses.
It is unreasonable to expect he send and additional $170 exhaust, but your suggestion of some compensation is not far-fetched. At the minimum he should refund the $220. To take a step beyond that I would say he should refund the $220+ $0.90(money order)+ $0.37(Shipping, I assume first class from the disscussion) Other than that I do not exactly know what is "fair" in this situation.
Part of my first response was do to 98gsrTEG making idle threats about sueing, I think that crosses some ethical boundries too. Trying to "scare" someone with a law suit is just not the way to go. I understand his being upset with not getting the item he thought he was buying, but threats don't usually help.
I fully beleive that buyers and sellers share the burden when buying/selling an item. 98gsrTEG did fulfil that end of his responsibilty, and I agree that spoon20 made a mistake in this business transaction. We all make mistakes, but as you point out if he is wanting to become a regular seller, then managing sales is part of the game. Not to mention the slogan "the customer is always right". Word of mouth travels far and it would be in spoon20 best interests if he hopes to start a business to come to a "fair" conclusion. Sometimes we have to take loses.
It is unreasonable to expect he send and additional $170 exhaust, but your suggestion of some compensation is not far-fetched. At the minimum he should refund the $220. To take a step beyond that I would say he should refund the $220+ $0.90(money order)+ $0.37(Shipping, I assume first class from the disscussion) Other than that I do not exactly know what is "fair" in this situation.
Part of my first response was do to 98gsrTEG making idle threats about sueing, I think that crosses some ethical boundries too. Trying to "scare" someone with a law suit is just not the way to go. I understand his being upset with not getting the item he thought he was buying, but threats don't usually help.
01-26-2004, 08:55 PM
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You are still not considering the loss that 98tegGSR suffered. It may not seem like much, but time and the extra money should be considered, when it wasn't his mistake.
Reading through the conversation, it never sounds like he is saying he wants the full catback for $220. He starts talking about contract law, while he said he was considering the offer for $170 for the other two pipes. I don't see any threats of sueing, simply the discussing and bringing up the legal aspect.
I don't see that being unethical at all, are we not allowed to bring up the law with out people seeing it as a threat and posting our address and conversations out in the open for those to see? Had it been false information, or had he been trying to deliberatly slander him it would be different. But he was simply posting the truth regarding the matter and legality.
Then he responds with a potential resolution. Throw in the C pipe, it wasn't his mistake, and legally he is in the right. Is that reasonable? unreasonable? Thats for them to decide. However the lost time should be considered. Thirty cents for the time and effort required to deal with this situation, getting the money order, sending etc, I think is worth something.
Why he is somehow at fault here is ludicrous. How can anyone trust this seller to sell them exactly what he is claiming, if asking three times doesn't make it clear? How is anyone to be sure that he won't simply waste your time and money by making the same mistake and then not trying to resolve and compensate for his mistake.
What constitutes a scammer? Using shady methods to try and lock or increase sales is a scammer in my book. Is this the case for spoon20b? Its hard to say, I don't know him. I certainly don't trust random members posting "he isn't a scammer".
How many more sales do you think you could get initially offering a full catback for $220, then saying it was an accident and it was an axle back after the money has been sent? vs just selling an axle back for the same price?
I would grantee you more. Again that doesn't mean that is the case, it just seems sketchy and him wondering about it and wanting some consideration for his loss is not unreasonable. This thread just makes things seem worse.
Would you trust Spoon if they openly posted their dealing with customers on private web boards? including address and names? Again, that really is just disgusting.
Reading through the conversation, it never sounds like he is saying he wants the full catback for $220. He starts talking about contract law, while he said he was considering the offer for $170 for the other two pipes. I don't see any threats of sueing, simply the discussing and bringing up the legal aspect.
I don't see that being unethical at all, are we not allowed to bring up the law with out people seeing it as a threat and posting our address and conversations out in the open for those to see? Had it been false information, or had he been trying to deliberatly slander him it would be different. But he was simply posting the truth regarding the matter and legality.
Then he responds with a potential resolution. Throw in the C pipe, it wasn't his mistake, and legally he is in the right. Is that reasonable? unreasonable? Thats for them to decide. However the lost time should be considered. Thirty cents for the time and effort required to deal with this situation, getting the money order, sending etc, I think is worth something.
Why he is somehow at fault here is ludicrous. How can anyone trust this seller to sell them exactly what he is claiming, if asking three times doesn't make it clear? How is anyone to be sure that he won't simply waste your time and money by making the same mistake and then not trying to resolve and compensate for his mistake.
What constitutes a scammer? Using shady methods to try and lock or increase sales is a scammer in my book. Is this the case for spoon20b? Its hard to say, I don't know him. I certainly don't trust random members posting "he isn't a scammer".
How many more sales do you think you could get initially offering a full catback for $220, then saying it was an accident and it was an axle back after the money has been sent? vs just selling an axle back for the same price?
I would grantee you more. Again that doesn't mean that is the case, it just seems sketchy and him wondering about it and wanting some consideration for his loss is not unreasonable. This thread just makes things seem worse.
Would you trust Spoon if they openly posted their dealing with customers on private web boards? including address and names? Again, that really is just disgusting.
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Screw the legal issues. Honest mistake... Get over it. Send his money back and compensate the $1.00 for MO and stamp.
Oh yeah and i have heard a judge say "if its too good to be true, that its probably is."
Modified by oo9o9xaznoo at 6:11 AM 1/27/2004
Oh yeah and i have heard a judge say "if its too good to be true, that its probably is."
Modified by oo9o9xaznoo at 6:11 AM 1/27/2004
01-26-2004, 09:09 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oo9o9xaznoo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Screw the legal issues. Honest mistake... Get over it. Send his money back and compensate the $1.00 for MO and stamp.
Oh yeah and i have heard a judge say "if its too good to be true, that its probably is."</TD></TR></TABLE>
So you would have no problem if you bought an item off a website, made a mistake, and not only did they ignore the law, but made no effort to compensate for the troubles it caused you. Then further publicly made your private discussion public including your address because of their mistake?
A lot of these responses are based on the assumption that spoon20b is not trying to pull a fast one. But should someone in that situation be expected to beleive that is the case blindly? I don't see it being unreasonable to be skeptical, and to bring up the legal aspect. The laws were created to help these sort of situations. Is it ethical to change a agreed upon deal because you made a mistake? I certinly don't think so. Is it ethical to post private matters to an open forum? I don't think so. Is it ethical to post ones address and not remove it when brought up? I don't think so.
After all of these unethical situations based around this seller, why should anyone give him the benifit of the doubt?
Oh yeah and i have heard a judge say "if its too good to be true, that its probably is."</TD></TR></TABLE>
So you would have no problem if you bought an item off a website, made a mistake, and not only did they ignore the law, but made no effort to compensate for the troubles it caused you. Then further publicly made your private discussion public including your address because of their mistake?
A lot of these responses are based on the assumption that spoon20b is not trying to pull a fast one. But should someone in that situation be expected to beleive that is the case blindly? I don't see it being unreasonable to be skeptical, and to bring up the legal aspect. The laws were created to help these sort of situations. Is it ethical to change a agreed upon deal because you made a mistake? I certinly don't think so. Is it ethical to post private matters to an open forum? I don't think so. Is it ethical to post ones address and not remove it when brought up? I don't think so.
After all of these unethical situations based around this seller, why should anyone give him the benifit of the doubt?
