Professor15

Good Power...

91' LS-VTEC

nice #'s. now I know I've should of saved up for a K .

alterdcreations

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ipodhustle &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">H series makes 200 lbs of torque with a simple build up?</TD></TR></TABLE>
if it had a 97mm crank
but it not a simple build

b19coupe

The cat's out of the bag now

Alchemist

Lets not turn this into another H vs. K thread.

CHEETAH

iTrader: (2)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bb4ever &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pocketrockets has made some, rlz made john's h22, missing gears makes over 280, not everyone posts up their numbers on h-t

all I am saying is that the H is just as capable of making the same power, with the same parts, short of a head port</TD></TR></TABLE>

yup, thats 3 ... pocketrocket's is not a simple build ... Randy;s is though.

how many K24 simple builds making over 280 ? alot ...

alterdcreations

i would love to swap a k24 into a accord
it would be tons of fun

Nikos

Thanks for the comments. Some more comments:

Same power can be made with 12:5 compression

The header used was made for a 2 Liter

We are going to stick with the stock sleeves, stock crank and stock head. We are going to try to squeeze 300whp out of this motor by finding the right cams, header and intake combo. People have been able to reach 300whp with slight head work, valvejob and other mods but we would love to be able to get there with the stock head and save money on the head work which at this point, are not convinced we need just yet.

Nikos

good news from wiseco.. we asked and they delivered..

Wiseco new catalogue offers 86.5mm pistons in 9 , 9.8 and 11.7:1 compression for k20a blocks and 87.5mm in 8.8 , 10.2 , 11.1 and 13.7:1 for k24a blocks.

alterdcreations

Green_Goblin

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StreetEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what makes 13.5:1 streetable on a k and not a B?

I love the steelie in the vid on the teal hatch.


you launch in 2nd in the teal hatch w/ the 5.02 final drive?</TD></TR></TABLE>


With the K-series and K-pro you can change the cam timing in the low-mid range to effectively bleed off compression in that area and then bring it back in up top where the motor is less prone to lug/detonate. This coupled with correct ignition timing and I am positive you could even run above 13.5:1 on a K-series with pump gas! BTW you can also make a B-series pump gas friendly in 13:1+ comp with a proper set-up and tune...more duration on the primaries and vtec will bleed off a ton of dynamic compression.

MJ23FE

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Green_Goblin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


With the K-series and K-pro you can change the cam timing in the low-mid range to effectively bleed off compression in that area and then bring it back in up top where the motor is less prone to lug/detonate. This coupled with correct ignition timing and I am positive you could even run above 13.5:1 on a K-series with pump gas! BTW you can also make a B-series pump gas friendly in 13:1+ comp with a proper set-up and tune...more duration on the primaries and vtec will bleed off a ton of dynamic compression.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Really good post! Awesome info!

-Jalal

high_revs

sick power

DevilsSi1481

wow hmmm this is all interesting, i wonder if i should just go build me a K24......

StreetEG

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Green_Goblin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


With the K-series and K-pro you can change the cam timing in the low-mid range to effectively bleed off compression in that area and then bring it back in up top where the motor is less prone to lug/detonate. This coupled with correct ignition timing and I am positive you could even run above 13.5:1 on a K-series with pump gas! BTW you can also make a B-series pump gas friendly in 13:1+ comp with a proper set-up and tune...more duration on the primaries and vtec will bleed off a ton of dynamic compression.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think I have a good understanding of honda motors and everything until i get to threads like this. I have no idea what that means lol.... wheres that search button again?

mgags7

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StreetEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I think I have a good understanding of honda motors and everything until i get to threads like this. I have no idea what that means lol.... wheres that search button again?</TD></TR></TABLE>

All that means is that though those pistons make a 13.5:1 compression ratio statically, that means you do not consider cam timing, with adjustment of the cam timing, you can have the valves open in order to bleed off some of the pressure in order to achieve a lower "dynamic" compression ratio.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CHEETAH &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

yup, thats 3 ... pocketrocket's is not a simple build ... Randy;s is though.

how many K24 simple builds making over 280 ? alot ...</TD></TR></TABLE>

what does that mean? are you insinuating that those 3 are some sort of stroke of luck? So building K series engines is more popular right now on honda-tech.

I'm not trying to make any battle here, all I'm saying is that the same thing can be done just as easily with other engines, it doesn't require a K. Just leave it at that.

Nikos, or anyone else, is there any info out there on putting a K crank in an H block?




Modified by bb4ever at 11:05 AM 1/20/2007

ismkv8s

This really makes me want to build my k24 I have and get it in a car. I love the H but the k's make power with way less in to them!!!

K-EG

http://tunertrader.vidiac.com/...e.htm

92TypeR

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bb4ever &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not trying to make any battle here, all I'm saying is that the same thing can be done just as easily with other engines, it doesn't require a K. Just leave it at that.
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It sure sounds to me like you are trying to prove a point that, to everyone here, really isn't valid.

So you're saying, you can make 270whp and 199tq on "another motor" (we all know your argument is with the H22 here...) WITHOUT taking it to a machine shop? WITHOUT touching the head or valvetrain? Can you also make this kind power on off-the-shelf parts?

This build doesn't require a dremel, doesn't require a hydraulic press, doesn't require a line hone or sleeving, you don't even need a valvespring compressor! This build a majority of people here can do in a days time with basic hand tools.

This is getting old now...Its almoast as if, if Honda ever makes a I4 with 500hp and 300tq that lasts one million miles in stock trim, you'll still find a way to say the H22 is on equal playing grounds. Get over it.

Thanks for sharing the parts list and info for this build Nikos. Makes me think twice about spending another dime on my B.

DevilsSi1481

Yeah thanx man, i def wanna build a K now cause of how pretty cheap it sounds.

mar778c

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Thanks for sharing this.

ipodhustle

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This is getting old now...Its almoast as if, if Honda ever makes a I4 with 500hp and 300tq that lasts one million miles in stock trim, you'll still find a way to say the H22 is on equal playing grounds. Get over it.
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lol!

alterdcreations

to the k series
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Green_Goblin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">With the K-series and K-pro you can change the cam timing in the low-mid range to effectively bleed off compression in that area and then bring it back in up top where the motor is less prone to lug/detonate. This coupled with correct ignition timing and I am positive you could even run above 13.5:1 on a K-series with pump gas! BTW you can also make a B-series pump gas friendly in 13:1+ comp with a proper set-up and tune...more duration on the primaries and vtec will bleed off a ton of dynamic compression.</TD></TR></TABLE>
to the new wave of engines
now if only that skunk 2 accord mount kit was open to the public

mgags7

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92TypeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

It sure sounds to me like you are trying to prove a point that, to everyone here, really isn't valid.

So you're saying, you can make 270whp and 199tq on "another motor" (we all know your argument is with the H22 here...) WITHOUT taking it to a machine shop? WITHOUT touching the head or valvetrain? Can you also make this kind power on off-the-shelf parts?

This build doesn't require a dremel, doesn't require a hydraulic press, doesn't require a line hone or sleeving, you don't even need a valvespring compressor! This build a majority of people here can do in a days time with basic hand tools.

This is getting old now...Its almoast as if, if Honda ever makes a I4 with 500hp and 300tq that lasts one million miles in stock trim, you'll still find a way to say the H22 is on equal playing grounds. Get over it.

Thanks for sharing the parts list and info for this build Nikos. Makes me think twice about spending another dime on my B.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You're 100% correct. Why I even thought it a good idea to post something like that in the honda-tech all motor forum is just retarded. If you took the time to calm down and read my original post, I never said it can be done without a port to the head.

I'd just rather leave it as is, so discussion of that can cease.

DCFIVER

Is it me or did that guy with the 270 hp hatch let off of the gas in 3rd so he could get traction?? Sickkkk!!!