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Got the 12v battery mounted in the trunk.

Also went back and hopefully fixed pictures in my previous posts.Showing up in Chrome and IE 11 for me.

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Progress was had.

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I think I fixed it, pulled from the wrong album.

BongoBennie

looks like it was born there!

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Engine grounds made and connected. 12v terminated up front. It cranks! Another couple hours and it should drive.

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Found out that a 100amp fuse is not enough to start the car with a trunk mounted battery. Oops!

Finding the TSX starter rated between 1400 and 1700 watts. 1700/12= 141.6amps or if the voltage sags, 1700/9 = 188amps plus whatever else is pulling power.

Have a 250amp fuse on the way. 2 gauge cable should have no issues handling that in the event of a short.

BongoBennie

welcome #2, #1 still aint done but too many ideas for one car

Ryanthegreat1

Looks like one of your coffee cans got away from you. Going to steal that idea for my ez-up.

I assume K swap if you are posting over here?

BongoBennie

Since I started my #1, I have grown fond of the car and while I need the commuter for commuting, I was trying hard to make it extra cool but it was hard to justify spending $1K on a turbo for 150whp on an engine that people throw away. All the research was making me regret not going K (I just sold my K20a3) yet an automatic commuter IS in fact what I need. #2 will have its own thread but I have #1 and a teardrop trailer to finish first. the idea though is 250whp K20 awd with 30" tires (off road like) Meanwhile Im scratching the turbo and going to water down this car just a bit.

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So the type 3 immobilizer not only kills the fuel pump relay is also shuts down the injectors and coils.

UUUUGGGG so close to running.

Guess I need to finish the dash harness so I can try out the brake code and if that fails I can tow it over to Honda for a key programming.

BongoBennie

Are you talking about using K series ecu with Insight key? I haven't crossed the bridge yet but I'm planing on swapping to Fit steering column just for using the fit key for imobilizer to work, but id rather stick with the insight key

Ryanthegreat1

Yes stock K series ECU. In my case a 2004 TSX.

So here is where the immobilizer fun begins. The Insight is a Type 2 immobilizer. The TSX and I think mostly everything that was redesigned after 2002 got the Type 3. A lot of the Honda stuff after 2002 also went to the sidewinder key.

From research and discussions the Type 2 key from the Insight should be able to be coded to the Type 3 system. If that is not the case the 2001-2002 Civic used the same key blank but employed the Type 3 system. Also the TSX key is the same blank but I did not get the key to the TSX so I am really fighting the system.

The ring around the ignition switch that reads the key is physically the same between the Type 2 and Type 3 and even across Honda models. The rings can be swapped between columns no problem, I now have the Type 3 on my Insight column.

Electrically the Type 2 is 4 wire and the Type 3 is 7 wire so it is not a direct swap.

Found a PDF on the Type 3 immobilizer. Seems there are a few key options if I have to go that route.
http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/civic/x01-053e.pdf

I was just looking, the Insight and 2001 Civic use the same key part number. I have high hopes.

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Nice dice on the brake code. Everything is wired up and tests perfect. The brake code did not work on the TSX before it was torn apart so no surprise it did not work after the swap.

I suspect the ECU might not be the original to the TSX so the brake code does not match the car's VIN. My scan tool won't pull the VIN so I have no way of knowing until I get the car over to Honda.

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Damn you to hell light green key light!

Oh yeah and 2006 S2000 cluster.

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Wow! She is quick!

Have to post a longer update later.

Pro tip, TSX is a Type 4 immobilizer and Honda does not have a non-sidewinder key in type 4. The TSX is the same key blank so we were able to make it work. Props to the techs at my local Honda shop for figuring that out and getting a key programmed!

BongoBennie

I know its too late for myself and most who will read this today, but the 09 CRV knuckle looks like it would have mated directly to the stock insight ball joint making it a bit easier.

Ryanthegreat1

Couple things wrong with that knuckle.

​​​​​​Lower ball joint is bigger
Offset is higher
Wrong ABS tone ring
Extra steering linkage, insight has the steering on the strut body

You might be able to make that work but it would be more work than the Civic/RSX part and you have more sacrifices.

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Just found an oversight in my electrical wiring. The 00-04 Insights control the main relay with the ignition switch and also have a hot all times line to the ECU for memory.

The TSX swap and probably other 04+ swaps don't have a memory power line. Rather the ECU has control of the main relay and leaves the main relay powered on for a few moments after engine shutdown to write memory to non-volatile memory before powering off.

I left the main relay control stock and controlled by the ignition switch and this has the effect of resetting the memory on the ECU every time the key is turned off. Ooops! Explains why my EVAP tests are never showing completed and why the long term fuel trims keep resetting. Probably doing an idle learn every time too.

Have to do some wiring changes and report back. This can't be helping the MPGs.

SpoolinAWD

Which wire are you referring to?

Ryanthegreat1

If anything we would be talking about pin 7 the Main Relay Control.

Here is the Insight power and ground for the ECM. Note that the 00-04 had a hot all times line and no control over the main relay. In 05-06 they removed that hot all times line and added main relay control.


Here is the 2004 TSX power and ground for the ECM. Only has the main relay control.

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Great thread and I can't wait to hear about your running Insight.

SpoolinAWD

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Ryanthegreat1

Your ETM must be for a 00-04 as pin 8 on connector A is not listed. On the 05-06 that is MRLY for control of the master relay.

Are my pictures not showing of the power and ground diagrams? My Insight ETM is 00-06 so it shows both revisions.

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He must have swapped a 05-06 Insight because he mentions wiring in the MRLY pin to control the main relay. The 00-04 the main relay is controlled by the ignition switch. This is the ECM memory problem I am having on my 01.

Also don't like that he instructs to just ground the starter cut relay. This should really be run to the clutch switch like factory. The wires are right next to each other to make this happen easily. A1 to B14 accomplishes this.