flyrod

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sam1am26 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It looks a lot cleaner with no power steering, cruise control, and no windshield washer fluid reservoir...

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Looks even cleaner if you ditch the EGR junk too (top of your picture). Good luck with the project and keep us posted!

Sam1am26

Can't you actually remove your egr system if you are using a hondata?

PirateMcFred

Yes you can ditch the EGR with Hondata. Hey sam what did you use to plug the 2 extra drains on the H22 head? Any pics?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by five-0 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks to those that aren't afraid to try something different. Pirate SamIam </TD></TR></TABLE>

Lets not forget Prelittlelude who started all this. He is the true pioneer.

Pirate

Sam1am26

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PirateMcFred &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes you can ditch the EGR with Hondata. Hey sam what did you use to plug the 2 extra drains on the H22 head? Any pics?

Lets not forget Prelittlelude who started all this. He is the true pioneer.

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You are right... If it weren't for tom I know I would have never built this motor... to Prelittlelude...

And Pirate... Give me a few minutes and I'll upload the pics... What I did to plug the two oil drains was to take a piece of rubber hose that was almost the same size diameter as the oil drains... I filled them with silicone and then filled the oil drains with silicone and plugged them up... It isn't the best way but I think it should work just fine...

Sam1am26

Here is the F23 Headgasket against the H22 Head...


Plugs...


Plugs in head...

B18OnTop

That was a good read. Looking forward to some dyno sheets. Good luck

-Aaron

KENLUDE97

iTrader: (1)

Wow great project! Keep us posted on your progress

prelittlelude

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Lets not forget Prelittlelude who started all this. He is the true pioneer.

Pirate</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sam1am26 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You are right... If it weren't for tom I know I would have never built this motor... to Prelittlelude...

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sniff sniff thanks guys

to sam and pirate for actually getting **** done on their cars, and actually realizing what i didn't, the true potential of the H+F combo... the f23a1 with the 97mm stroke...

keep up the good work, ill be aorund soon

GOTNOS

Whats the part list if someone else wanted to build this?


F23A1 - Acura right?
H22 Head

Gasket?

Timing Belt?


sorry for noob questions .

Sam1am26

F23 Parts
- Block
- Head gasket
- Water pump (The housing)
- Rear Water Pipe

H22 Parts
- Head (Complete...Valvetrain, Cover, Dist, Manifolds, VTEC Solenoid, Etc.)
- Water pump (Just the gear)
- Crank Gear
- Timing Belt

Modifications
- You have to plug two oil drains in the h22 head that do not exist on the f23 block...
- You have to use the h22 upper water pipe and connect it to the lower part of the f23 water pipe... You will have to either weld it together or connect it with rubber hose...
- You also have pull the gear off of an f23 water pump and install an h22 gear on it because the H-Series water pump is different...

I'm probably forgetting some things because I'm just doing it off the top of my heard real quick... I will edit this post as I remember...

flyrod

Might need some wiring, sensors, and ecu for a VTEC head or to use the oil pump mounted crank sensors and the external coil distributor etc., and maybe a H22 crank pulley if you are using H22 alternator, A/C etc. If you do this you'll need to mark the pulley with TDC because the F23 block doesn't have the hole or pins to set timing off the flywheel. There are few things like this that you have options with, depending on which parts you use. There is also the driver's side engine mount to deal with.

Nataku

Wow. I have an old 92 accord f22a1 that I've put through hell. I refuse to put a full h22 in it (why would you when the f block is so strong?). This makes me curious if it will work on the f22 block. Hmmmmm. Interesting.

Great job man. Wish I knew people in Raleigh, NC that could help me out.

ph8ed4life

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nataku &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> This makes me curious if it will work on the f22 block. Hmmmmm. Interesting.

Great job man. Wish I knew people in Raleigh, NC that could help me out.</TD></TR></TABLE>

https://honda-tech.com/zero...ge=32


heres prelittlelude's f22vtec thread....long as hell, but it is the OG of this new frank setup!!

Sam1am26

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by flyrod &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Looks even cleaner if you ditch the EGR junk too (top of your picture). Good luck with the project and keep us posted!</TD></TR></TABLE>

You were right...

bthrist

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow. I have an old 92 accord f22a1 that I've put through hell. I refuse to put a full h22 in it (why would you when the f block is so strong?). This makes me curious if it will work on the f22 block. Hmmmmm. Interesting.
Great job man. Wish I knew people in Raleigh, NC that could help me out
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Jdogg at Eurospeed. We talked about it alot, since I have an F23A1

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F23's come in 6th Gen Accords and 2.3 CL's

BoostedH23Accord

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PirateMcFred &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Lets not forget Prelittlelude who started all this. He is the true pioneer.

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Werd!!! His thread came through at just the right time. Props to Tom

Hawkze_2.3

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You were right...
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Now ditch those AC plugs and the ABS wires and you're set

Sam1am26

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Now ditch those AC plugs and the ABS wires and you're set </TD></TR></TABLE>

haha... A/C and ABS are two of the only things I'm keeping though...

95cxh22a

haha i agree with you about the a/c. ^^. any updates? i am curious about the timing marks on an f23, are they on the crank pulley?

Sam1am26

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95cxh22a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">haha i agree with you about the a/c. ^^. any updates? i am curious about the timing marks on an f23, are they on the crank pulley?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm not really sure but it doesnt matter in my case because I am using an h22 crank gear and crank pulley and clutch flywheel etc. on the f23 block...

95cxh22a

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by flyrod &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Might need some wiring, sensors, and ecu for a VTEC head or to use the oil pump mounted crank sensors and the external coil distributor etc., and maybe a H22 crank pulley if you are using H22 alternator, A/C etc. If you do this you'll need to mark the pulley with TDC because the F23 block doesn't have the hole or pins to set timing off the flywheel. There are few things like this that you have options with, depending on which parts you use. There is also the driver's side engine mount to deal with.</TD></TR></TABLE>

So this to me says that the f23 crank pulley does the timing, if the block doesnt
have the timing hole or pins, right? would you look and let me know. because i am
very curios about that. for some reason my clutchmaster flywheel didnt come with
timing marks. to Sam1am26: i am anxiosly awaiting the outcome of this. i have 2
h22a's and want to do a budget boost. this looks like it may be the way to do it.
Sleeving a block is expensive. damn frm. if this works i plan to sell one short
block and one whole motor. to everyone else, pirateMcFred and prelittlelude,
thanks for the info you have already contributed. you are all pioneers helping us other guy out.

hOndafienD 04

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PirateMcFred &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The F23 crank has a hole where there is a pin on the H series.

The F23 lower timing cover has the "sight" for setting the ignition timing according to notches on the F23 crank pulley. whereas the H22 and H23 have a little window between the block and transmission with marks on the flywheel.

I put the F23 pulley on the crank with the key and set it to TDC. Then I removed the F23 pulley and put the H22 pulley on. I then took a file and put a tic mark on the edge of the H22 pulley so that I could see where the timing mark is after putting the head and transmisssion on.

Pirate</TD></TR></TABLE>

nice!

you make it seem too easy.

nmecum

I think I love you.

Silverpike

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nataku &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Great job man. Wish I knew people in Raleigh, NC that could help me out.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dude just shoot me a line. I have a well stocked garage, and a buddy of mine does DSM engine builds like once a week there. I've got an JDM H22 getting built for someone in Atlanta, and soon to come: a 2.4L frankenstien DSM monster. Send me mail at silverpike0 (at) yahoo (dot) com

Jacen

sorry to sound stupid, but are the f22a1 blocks sleeved too?