delguy

lets say i were to swap a b16 into a wagovan can you still use the 4wd tranny to keep your 4wd ?

Mista Bone

no

delguy

then how would you do swap and still keep the 4wd?

donuttes

swap a d

delguy

so i would have to use a d series engine to be able to keep the 4wd tranny on?

gutterslide

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by delguy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so i would have to use a d series engine to be able to keep the 4wd tranny on?</TD></TR></TABLE>

D-Series only (including ZC, of course), unless you want to hack together some kind of wagon/CRV hybrid setup.

delguy

so wich specific engine would you suggest for the wagovan with the 4wd tranny?

delguy

any suggestions?

gutterslide

depends on what you want to do with it, and where you live, but i'd go with a SOHC VTEC or DOHC ZC/D16A8.

delguy

i was thinking of going NA and doing some OFF ROADING LOL in the 4wd wagovan

virginia_dude

buy a truck...it will last longer off road.

delguy

i was kiddin around

virginia_dude

ok...thats good.............................


Keep in mind the wagon has a known weak trans.....the tall gears will make a DOHC ZC run like crap..those need to rev....better to build any other modle than that one becasue you are hamstrung by tranny choice.

delguy

is it possible to use a crv tranny with the rest of the wagovans drivetrain?

virginia_dude

no......it would require massive custom fabrication...and you would have to fab the CRV rear diff into it also.

This is one of those times where you can do anything if you throw enough money at it.

for the right shop its possible....but my god would it be expensive.

delguy

just checking if it could be done,thanks for the info virginia_dude.

is there anything else that can be done or suggestions?

gutterslide

convert to FWD, open up the possibilities.

delguy

why? 4wd is better if i wanted a front wheel drive car i would go buy a civic

virginia_dude

Is this a car you already own...or just a project you are kicking around.

You can keep the stock driveline (like you really have another choice) and put a stronger engine in it ( an Si or a DX with MPFI conversion). I would avoid any of the Vtec engines becasue those need to rev for power and the gears of that driveline will prevent that. Stick with a sohc D series engine...make sure you are running a 1.6 with MPFI setup (But not an HF)and not the 1.5...not a DPFI...those will serve well in lower RPM driving....Turbo is not a reasonible option due to that being the weakest D series transmission. You don't want to be munching those every few months. If you want something with guts you will unfortunately be stuck with any of the other front wheel drive only modles....but you have the flexibility with those to swap in nearly anything your budget allows.

delguy

actually i havent bought one yet, but im looking to buy one and i was kicking around some ideas and stuff i could do and i wanted to keep the 4wd but still wanted 4wd with power so i wanted to see what i could do.

how about theis:
d series sohc
high comp pistons
forged connecting rods
injectors
headers+exhaust

just a generall idea of things i should/could do

any other suggestions?

virginia_dude

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by delguy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">actually i havent bought one yet, but im looking to buy one and i was kicking around some ideas and stuff i could do and i wanted to keep the 4wd but still wanted 4wd with power so i wanted to see what i could do.

how about theis:
d series sohc
high comp pistons
forged connecting rods
injectors
headers+exhaust

just a generall idea of things i should/could do

any other suggestions?</TD></TR></TABLE>stock injectors will feed all you need....get them R&Red..stick with 4-2-1 headers...avoid 4-1 remember with those gears you are after low and mid range grunt, pistons are fine....rods? not so sure those are really needed for what you are doing. You aren't doing boost and the D series has the wrong bore stroke ratio for big rpms...but that does mean they have better low end grunt than a B16. Not a big believer on spending a lot of money where its not going to matter. If you are pulling short block down to do pistons..recomend doing a plastiguage check on the rod and main bearings....replace those if needed.

Obviously a fresh water pump, idler and timing belt......failure of any of those and you trash the engine.


remember when you decide what you go after you need to carefully select components for the rpm range the car is running...with those gears you are always going to be running fairly low rpms so thats where you want your power to be. Just don't expect to running with the suburus.....it just ain't gonna happen.

the Vtec boys (same with the DOHC ZC) need to run a Si or ZC box or a hybrid of the two....otherwise you will never get or keep the engine in its powerband.


Modified by virginia_dude at 11:23 AM 10/15/2005


Mista Bone is a good guy to talk with...he's got a very good rep for what he can do with a D series...and I consider him the resident expert of the D series transmissions.


Modified by virginia_dude at 11:25 AM 10/15/2005

delguy

so i should do this:

D series sohc engine, and what kind of pistons do you suggest to use for low rpm and power?

4-2-1 headers

and i should be good.any other suggestions are welcomed.

CO_RaceFab

no you shouldnt you should go buy a whole b20 swap out of a crv and then put it in keep awd and be cool

delguy

ya you can go do that and you can waste your own money,have fun

delguy

now on a serious note, lets get back on topic. any other suggestions on setup and specifics?