The easiest brake upgrade you NEVER knew about. Details inside!
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Re: The easiest brake upgrade you NEVER knew about. Details inside! (Jonathan_ED3)
if someone else is to do this.. can you post pictures of all parts used and not installed that would be great for everyone else....
ok i want it because it would make my life easier .. :D
and roughly how much did this whole setup cost...
ok i want it because it would make my life easier .. :D
and roughly how much did this whole setup cost...
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Re: The easiest brake upgrade you NEVER knew about. Details inside! (XtraFastCRX)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by XtraFastCRX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if someone else is to do this.. can you post pictures of all parts used and not installed that would be great for everyone else....
ok i want it because it would make my life easier .. :D
and roughly how much did this whole setup cost...</TD></TR></TABLE>
everything he said...
ok i want it because it would make my life easier .. :D
and roughly how much did this whole setup cost...</TD></TR></TABLE>
everything he said...
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Re: The easiest brake upgrade you NEVER knew about. Details inside! (Jonathan_ED3)
so im sure you could find some badass aftermarket rotors drilled and slotted and use those too, if they are ITR/Legend ones?
I wish i knew how to go from rear drum to put these in the rear too.
If i can figure out how, im gonna do a 4 wheel conversion to this setup... what else will i need?
I wish i knew how to go from rear drum to put these in the rear too.
If i can figure out how, im gonna do a 4 wheel conversion to this setup... what else will i need?
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Stop now dude! You're going to confuse everybody.
You do NOT use Legend/ITR rotors.
You use 91 EX rotors (same as 92-95 Civic Sedan) and ITR (17CL15VN calipers) with a 25T mounting bracket.
For the rear all you need is the regular disc brake convesion...no need for big breaks in the rear.
You do NOT use Legend/ITR rotors.
You use 91 EX rotors (same as 92-95 Civic Sedan) and ITR (17CL15VN calipers) with a 25T mounting bracket.
For the rear all you need is the regular disc brake convesion...no need for big breaks in the rear.
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Re: The easiest brake upgrade you NEVER knew about. Details inside! (GSRCRXsi)
how is the pad to rotor contact?
do any of the pad hang off the edge of the rotor
good job
do any of the pad hang off the edge of the rotor
good job
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Re: The easiest brake upgrade you NEVER knew about. Details inside! (GSRCRXsi)
and if you dont know if they are the same i can find out. just measure the distance between the two holes where it mounts to the knuckles (will be the same distance as on the crx knuckles) try and measure from center to center if you can. if you cant be sure to let me know what points of the hole you used as a reference. let me know those measurements if you can.
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Re: The easiest brake upgrade you NEVER knew about. Details inside! (Dan GSR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dan GSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how is the pad to rotor contact?
do any of the pad hang off the edge of the rotor
good job </TD></TR></TABLE>
he already answered this. scroll up, lol. full pad/rotor contact
do any of the pad hang off the edge of the rotor
good job </TD></TR></TABLE>
he already answered this. scroll up, lol. full pad/rotor contact
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Pad contact area is absolutely perfect. No overhang or off-edge.
I got my calipers and mounts from the junkyard off a '94 Accord Wagon.
The 25T and the 23T use the exact same mounting position (hole distance), GSRCRXsi....the only difference is the way it's offset and the depth between the two edges. One of them accepts a thicker rotor...I don't remember which one is which though.
But they both bolt on.
Both of them will work, I'm sure....depending on which one is which, you may not even need to grind anything off of the 23T.
I don't know what came on the ITR..I've never even seen an ITR hub up close.
If I remember correctly from my last trip to the junkyard, the Legend uses a 23T....if anyone has a 23T laying around, try it out!
I got my calipers and mounts from the junkyard off a '94 Accord Wagon.
The 25T and the 23T use the exact same mounting position (hole distance), GSRCRXsi....the only difference is the way it's offset and the depth between the two edges. One of them accepts a thicker rotor...I don't remember which one is which though.
But they both bolt on.
Both of them will work, I'm sure....depending on which one is which, you may not even need to grind anything off of the 23T.
I don't know what came on the ITR..I've never even seen an ITR hub up close.
If I remember correctly from my last trip to the junkyard, the Legend uses a 23T....if anyone has a 23T laying around, try it out!
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I have absolutely no clue! Like I said, I've never seen an ITR.
Although, I guess there's another bracket out there. 28T...which comes from (at least) the 95-97 Accord V6. I believe this is probably the same bracket used by the ITR and the Prelude VTEC.
And new info regarding the 23T bracket...the more I research, the more it appears that this may be the perfect bracket; there may not be any milling/spacers needed if you use this bracket.
Also, from what I can gather (so far) the 23T comes from the NSX caliper...which means it's probably also used with the large(r) Legend calipers.
Which means that the ITR PROBABLY uses a 23T or a 25T. Read above concerning this mounts!
Although, I guess there's another bracket out there. 28T...which comes from (at least) the 95-97 Accord V6. I believe this is probably the same bracket used by the ITR and the Prelude VTEC.
And new info regarding the 23T bracket...the more I research, the more it appears that this may be the perfect bracket; there may not be any milling/spacers needed if you use this bracket.
Also, from what I can gather (so far) the 23T comes from the NSX caliper...which means it's probably also used with the large(r) Legend calipers.
Which means that the ITR PROBABLY uses a 23T or a 25T. Read above concerning this mounts!
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Certainties:
23T- Used with the Prelude VTEC, 1st generation Acura Legend, 95-98 Honda Odyssey, ITR
28T- Used with Accord V6, NSX
25T- Used with older Accord Wagon. This is what the write-up is based around.
The only real difference is the offset.
Somebody try the 23T and 28T brackes...maybe one of them is absolutely perfect and requires no spacer/grinding!
23T- Used with the Prelude VTEC, 1st generation Acura Legend, 95-98 Honda Odyssey, ITR
28T- Used with Accord V6, NSX
25T- Used with older Accord Wagon. This is what the write-up is based around.
The only real difference is the offset.
Somebody try the 23T and 28T brackes...maybe one of them is absolutely perfect and requires no spacer/grinding!
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Re: (Jonathan_ED3)
hmm interesting, im planning on buying the calipers i posted the pics of once the seller gets back to me, they are the ITR ones and they are already milled. hmmm we'll see.
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Re: (Jonathan_ED3)
Ok so to try the 23T, i go to napa and ask for loaded caliper kit for 92-01 Prelude Vtec..which includes pads, caliper, caliper bracket. Then i get the 90-91 Civic EX front rotors. Sound good??
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16crxkid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok so to try the 23T, i go to napa and ask for loaded caliper kit for 92-01 Prelude Vtec..which includes pads, caliper, caliper bracket. Then i get the 90-91 Civic EX front rotors. Sound good??</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes....but to be safe (and make it easier on the salesperson) just ask for 94 Prelude VTEC loaded calipers.
I think it was only made from 92-94.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSRCRXsi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmm interesting, im planning on buying the calipers i posted the pics of once the seller gets back to me, they are the ITR ones and they are already milled. hmmm we'll see.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you are buying the calipers from that guy, have him measure the thickness of the caliper mounting area (the area that he shaved off). and also the thickness of the rotor cut out.
25T bracket:
Thickness of the caliper mounting area is ~15mm
Thickness of the rotor cut out is ~29mm
Beyond that, all distances should be the same....all brackets use the same mounting holes and the distance between the mounting holes and the placement of the caliper should be the same, as they all mount on an 11.1" rotor.
Modified by Jonathan_ED3 at 12:23 PM 3/8/2005
Yes....but to be safe (and make it easier on the salesperson) just ask for 94 Prelude VTEC loaded calipers.
I think it was only made from 92-94.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSRCRXsi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmm interesting, im planning on buying the calipers i posted the pics of once the seller gets back to me, they are the ITR ones and they are already milled. hmmm we'll see.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you are buying the calipers from that guy, have him measure the thickness of the caliper mounting area (the area that he shaved off). and also the thickness of the rotor cut out.
25T bracket:
Thickness of the caliper mounting area is ~15mm
Thickness of the rotor cut out is ~29mm
Beyond that, all distances should be the same....all brackets use the same mounting holes and the distance between the mounting holes and the placement of the caliper should be the same, as they all mount on an 11.1" rotor.
Modified by Jonathan_ED3 at 12:23 PM 3/8/2005
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Re: The easiest brake upgrade you NEVER knew about. Details inside! (p1nkunit)
damn now that is a tool i need thanks for the pics, they will be helpful in explaining the measurements i need.