another ef build
03-05-2014, 03:32 AM
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another ef build
Well im buying my buddys ef hatch that had a lsv in it for 500 i was building a crx but that ended up being a complete fail so now this with a b20b p8r swap from hmotorsonline
03-05-2014, 04:49 AM
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So you bought an EF Hatchback for $500 that came with an LSVTEC swap? Score.
You were building a CRX but it failed? What went wrong?
You are swapping the LSVTEC out for a B20B? Is that the'96-'98 or '98-'01 spec? It's just a little compression change if I remember right. But it's like 20 HP.
Your photobucket is private. Also, posting photos here is much easier for everyone else.
I'm in for the back story. Not sure whats wrong with an EF with a motor to be going for $500. Also not sure what went wrong with a CRX to completely give up on it.
You were building a CRX but it failed? What went wrong?
You are swapping the LSVTEC out for a B20B? Is that the'96-'98 or '98-'01 spec? It's just a little compression change if I remember right. But it's like 20 HP.
Your photobucket is private. Also, posting photos here is much easier for everyone else.
I'm in for the back story. Not sure whats wrong with an EF with a motor to be going for $500. Also not sure what went wrong with a CRX to completely give up on it.
03-05-2014, 05:16 AM
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Re: another ef build
The crx had non matching vins and no the ef hatch doesnt come with the lsv its just a shell my buddy blew the lsv up a few weeks back and i think its a 99-01 spec p8r ill have to look later on. How do i change my photo bucket or post pics its quite annoying. Its not like how it used to be on the pb app
03-05-2014, 05:52 AM
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Re: another ef build
I got the pics to upload and yeah it is. Just more excited about it because its already had all the wiring and stuff swapped properly so it makes the work a little easier for me. Just curius but isnt the technical nme for a 4g usdm hatch a ed6
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03-05-2014, 06:27 AM
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It is a 4th Gen, commonly referred to as the EF for ease of conversation.
1st - 72-79
2nd - 80-83
3rd - 84-87
EF - 88-91
EG -92-95
EK -96-00
ES - 01-05
FG - 06-present
2nd - 80-83
3rd - 84-87
EF - 88-91
EG -92-95
EK -96-00
ES - 01-05
FG - 06-present
EC2 - 88-91 Civic 1300 1.3L
EC3 - 88-91 Civic 1500 1.5L
EC4 - 88-91 Civic sedan ?
EC5 - 88-91 Civic wagon ?
EC6 - 88-91 Civic wagon 4x4 1.3L
EC8 - 88-91 Civic hatch 1.3L
EC9 - 88-91 Civic hatch 1.3L w/o cat
ED2 - 88-89 Civic sedan 1.4L
ED3 - 89-91 Civic sedan 1.5L
ED4 - 89-91 Civic sedan 1.6L
ED6 - 89-91 Civic hatch 1.5L
ED7 - 89-91 Civic hatch 1.6L
ED8 - USDM 89-91 Civic CRX D15B6 (60hp)/D15B2 (90hp)
ED9 - 87-88 Civic CRX D16A9 (130hp w/o cat)
ED9 - 88-91 Civic CRX D16Z5 (124hp w/cat)
EE2 - 88-91 Civic wagon 1.5L
EE4 - 88-91 Civic wagon 4WD 1.6L
EE5 - 88-91 Civic sedan 4WD D16A6
EE6 - 89-91 CRX 1.4L 100hp
EE8 - 90-91 CRX B16A1 VTEC
EE9 - 90-91 Civic hatch 1.6L VTEC
EF - 88-91 Civic/CRX
EF1 - JDM 87 Civic D13B
EF2 - JDM 87 Civic D15B
EF3 - JDM 87 Civic 1.6L ZC
EF4 - JDM 87 Civic D15B
EF5 - JDM 87 Civic 1.6L ZC
EF6 - JDM 87-92 CRX D15B
EF7 - JDM 87-92 CRX 1.6L ZC (USDM D16A6)
EF8 - JDM 87-92 CRX B16A
EF9 - JDM 89 Civic B16A
EC3 - 88-91 Civic 1500 1.5L
EC4 - 88-91 Civic sedan ?
EC5 - 88-91 Civic wagon ?
EC6 - 88-91 Civic wagon 4x4 1.3L
EC8 - 88-91 Civic hatch 1.3L
EC9 - 88-91 Civic hatch 1.3L w/o cat
ED2 - 88-89 Civic sedan 1.4L
ED3 - 89-91 Civic sedan 1.5L
ED4 - 89-91 Civic sedan 1.6L
ED6 - 89-91 Civic hatch 1.5L
ED7 - 89-91 Civic hatch 1.6L
ED8 - USDM 89-91 Civic CRX D15B6 (60hp)/D15B2 (90hp)
ED9 - 87-88 Civic CRX D16A9 (130hp w/o cat)
ED9 - 88-91 Civic CRX D16Z5 (124hp w/cat)
EE2 - 88-91 Civic wagon 1.5L
EE4 - 88-91 Civic wagon 4WD 1.6L
EE5 - 88-91 Civic sedan 4WD D16A6
EE6 - 89-91 CRX 1.4L 100hp
EE8 - 90-91 CRX B16A1 VTEC
EE9 - 90-91 Civic hatch 1.6L VTEC
EF - 88-91 Civic/CRX
EF1 - JDM 87 Civic D13B
EF2 - JDM 87 Civic D15B
EF3 - JDM 87 Civic 1.6L ZC
EF4 - JDM 87 Civic D15B
EF5 - JDM 87 Civic 1.6L ZC
EF6 - JDM 87-92 CRX D15B
EF7 - JDM 87-92 CRX 1.6L ZC (USDM D16A6)
EF8 - JDM 87-92 CRX B16A
EF9 - JDM 89 Civic B16A
03-05-2014, 10:00 AM
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Re: another ef build
Yeah thats what i thought and yeah he never had electrical issues i think the guy he got it took it to rich tuned to be swapped. Idk i juat know the wiring isnt super hacked. Im just having to wait a few weeks my work schedule got cut from 40 hours to 11 but they said itd be fixed by next weekend-_-. Hoping to have it swapped and going by may 22nd...be a nice birthday gift to myself
03-07-2014, 08:42 AM
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I ment i actually cant get one theres none on cl in my area i posted on here and hondamarketplace and 6 local honda pages and not a single response. Ive seen a few but im not buying a da 5 speed with a grind in 3rd for 650
03-07-2014, 01:20 PM
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Yeah im gonna look at a few once its pay time again. 98 gsr and 94 gs in tumwater yard 190 for either but all they only said the cars are in the yard didnt say if they had trannys. Guess well find out
03-07-2014, 09:01 PM
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Re: another ef build
A few questions i have that should be easy to answer.
The engine im getting is a 96-98 b20b p8r.
Ecu. Pr4 or p75(obd1/obd2)?
What axles should i use if i get a dc2 ls tranny.
What clutch.
I think thats all ive got for questions i understand the b18a swap pretty well since its just the da axles ecu and tranny. But idk about for this
The engine im getting is a 96-98 b20b p8r.
Ecu. Pr4 or p75(obd1/obd2)?
What axles should i use if i get a dc2 ls tranny.
What clutch.
I think thats all ive got for questions i understand the b18a swap pretty well since its just the da axles ecu and tranny. But idk about for this
03-09-2014, 02:12 PM
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A few questions i have that should be easy to answer.
The engine im getting is a 96-98 b20b p8r.
Ecu. Pr4 or p75(obd1/obd2)?
What axles should i use if i get a dc2 ls tranny.
What clutch.
I think thats all ive got for questions i understand the b18a swap pretty well since its just the da axles ecu and tranny. But idk about for this
The engine im getting is a 96-98 b20b p8r.
Ecu. Pr4 or p75(obd1/obd2)?
What axles should i use if i get a dc2 ls tranny.
What clutch.
I think thats all ive got for questions i understand the b18a swap pretty well since its just the da axles ecu and tranny. But idk about for this
I'd use the P75 I guess. Or chip and tune for it if you really want.
With the DC LS trans you should be able to use the DC axles and half shaft I believe. Clutch is trans specific. Get one to match the trans.
Feel free to correct me.
03-09-2014, 06:53 PM
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Re: another ef build
Alright thanks. I was thinking about getting dss axles since there suppoaedly better built and fit any b hydro swap or cable for the ef. Wpild they be worth the 300? And i got a obd2 p75 evu and get a dc ls trans in a week also ordered a clutch from action clutches.
03-10-2014, 02:55 AM
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Hmm. Didn't know the P75 was OBD2. That's going to be annoying iirc. Any B series axles fit any b series trans I believe. You can use DA axles too, with a DA half shaft. That's what most people do. The DSS axles are worth it if you plan on putting down more power than stock. You get the security of 'new' axles too.
03-10-2014, 06:59 PM
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Re: another ef build
Hopefully i can find out. Do i just need to obd1 convert the p8r? What do i need for that.
I need to find out asap....hondafeatnw is 1 month away i wanna take it out there. Been a dream for years. Please help haha.
On another note im eventually getting bc valve springs fearra valves mild pnp bc stage 3 cams skunk 2 cam gears eddie intake and skunk 2 header with 2.5" exhaust. I tried doing a engine hp calculator...i put dohc non vtec mild port work peak perfprmance at 6800 rpm and then 7200 no f/i 1500 ft elevation 2300 lbs. And it told me that i should get 176.17 bhp/149.75 whp-186.54 bhp/158.56 whp and 14.42-14.21 in the quarter mile. Does this power seem right for stated parts? What amount of torque. Where should peak performance be without skeeved bottom stock crank rods with arp hardware
I need to find out asap....hondafeatnw is 1 month away i wanna take it out there. Been a dream for years. Please help haha.
On another note im eventually getting bc valve springs fearra valves mild pnp bc stage 3 cams skunk 2 cam gears eddie intake and skunk 2 header with 2.5" exhaust. I tried doing a engine hp calculator...i put dohc non vtec mild port work peak perfprmance at 6800 rpm and then 7200 no f/i 1500 ft elevation 2300 lbs. And it told me that i should get 176.17 bhp/149.75 whp-186.54 bhp/158.56 whp and 14.42-14.21 in the quarter mile. Does this power seem right for stated parts? What amount of torque. Where should peak performance be without skeeved bottom stock crank rods with arp hardware
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03-14-2014, 05:18 PM
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Well im pretty sure im not making it to hondatech my hours were yet again cut. I get asked last minute if i want to work an additional 4 houra and i usually say yes but sometimes i got other stuff to do. Im about 400 bucks short of amount needed to have a running car for the meet. Bummer
04-04-2014, 10:34 PM
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Well i dont have much to update here just been ordering parts so far i have a ls 5 speed inovative street/strip mounts and invative linkage and a mpfi converted harness. Im getting a chipped p75 ecu and obd1 converting. Hopefully have more to show soon. Also picked up an apprenticeship in autobody
04-05-2014, 04:28 AM
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I had a b20 swap a few years ago and two obd1 ecu's.....the pr4 and p75. My car ran a lot better with a pr4...even idle quality. I could literally take one out and plug the other in and there was a difference. Just thought I'd share my experience
