bballchris24

i have pretty much a stock 99 civic si only with a AEM CAI, DC sport 4-1 headers and a high flow cat. So i have a vtech/air fuel controller but uninstalled yet. I already know about the vtech and how i could i adjust it but just want to know how much gain will i get with the air fuel controller?

ifIexplode

Sell it. VTEC controllers are for highly modded Motors. Honda set VTEC at a certain RPM for a reason.

gsr x civic

1. i'm not going to be a dick about your ignorance.
2. i doubt you actually know how to adjust the crossover point.
3. you're actually losing power with that afc.
4. if you were smart, you'd ditch it and get hondata s2/300
5. be smart and get hondata.

posHonda

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gsr x civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1. i'm not going to be a dick about your ignorance.
2. i doubt you actually know how to adjust the crossover point.
3. you're actually losing power with that afc.
4. if you were smart, you'd ditch it and get hondata s2/300
5. be smart and get hondata.

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true

just a bit harsh

bballchris24

alright, how much horsepower will i gain on average with the hondata s2/300?

gsr x civic

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just a bit harsh </TD></TR></TABLE>

well it's just like when you're ******* setting rules for your girlfriend and ****, set em straight once and make it harsh so you won't have to repeat yourself. lol.

by being harsh it in a way makes them feel like a ******* bitch and makes them want to research and learn more so that they don't sound like a fuckass in the long run when they ask questions - if they're serious about this and not some punk *** kid who thinks vtec controllers make mAd tYte jDm pOwAAAA y0!!!

Libertariat

If you have a stock motor there is no such thing as a magic program that adds horsepower.

Your b16 with bolt ons will see no benefit from fuel/air adjustment.

Get a turbo or swap out that 1.6L for something bigger.

gsr x civic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bballchris24 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">alright, how much horsepower will i gain on average with the hondata s2/300?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i hope you don't think it's actually called the hondata s2/300. in my initial post, i was only referring to it as the hondata s2/300 in implication that there are 2 versions, the hondata s200, and the hondata s300. the s200 is obviously the previous gen before the s300. but the new version of the s200 tuning software is much like the s300 non-upgraded tuning software.

and it's not an automatic "plug it in and make horsepower". you will need to get a chipped p28 ecu and get a real good tuner. the tuner is what makes the power, not the parts, to an extent.

gsr x civic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you have a stock motor there is no such thing as a magic program that adds horsepower.

Your b16 with bolt ons will see no benefit from fuel/air adjustment.

Get a turbo or swap out that 1.6L for something bigger.</TD></TR></TABLE>

first statement is true. second statement is false.

on a full bolt on gsr i made an extra 20whp adjusting timing, af's, and changing the crossover point with hondata.

and for the third statement, we don't all have money to throw toward a swap and ****. i'd say just work with what you got. my cousin just made 200whp on his d16y8 with a 15g kit. talk abuot a good tune suprdave ftmfw!

bballchris24

nah i kno its two different things, the s200 and the s300

posHonda

youll definitely get the most out of your mods from tuning but IMO bolt ons arent a good enough reason for a hondata. boost it...

gsr x civic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iVteC_PoWeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">youll definitely get the most out of your mods from tuning but IMO bolt ons arent a good enough reason for a hondata. boost it...</TD></TR></TABLE>

wtf are you talking about, *******?
having a honda is a good enough reason for hondata.

Libertariat

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gsr x civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">on a full bolt on gsr i made an extra 20whp adjusting timing, af's, and changing the crossover point with hondata. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I find that hard to believe, what were the mods?

bballchris24

only a aem cai, dcs 4-1 headers and a high flow cat

gsr x civic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I find that hard to believe, what were the mods?</TD></TR></TABLE>

j's racing intake, greddy 4-2-1, p28 chipped ecu with hondata s200, skunk2 intake manifold, itr throttle body. i think i may have had cam gears at the time, but i can't recall.

edit: lol totally forgot about my exhaust. i had a 5zigen full 2.5 exhaust and no cat. the gsr was in a civic btw, if you couldn't tell from my name.

posHonda

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bballchris24 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">only a aem cai, dcs 4-1 headers and a high flow cat</TD></TR></TABLE>

stock piping? get an exhaust...

bballchris24

what do you recomend to get next besides exhuast? something that wont cost 300 like the hondata s200. in the range of 200 or lower

posHonda

some springs for less than $200. save up for shocks next.

if you already have suspension mods than save it for teh snail.

Libertariat

See, if you had cams I could certainly believe that. All the other mods weren't making for more air, they were just making the current available air less restrictive.

Even mild cams need a good tune to get the full potential. Because when you change valve lift duration you directly affect how much air goes in and our of the cylinder.

bballchris24

i already have the 5 way adjustable tokico illumina r suspension

posHonda

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">See, if you had cams I could certainly believe that. All the other mods weren't making for more air, they were just making the current available air less restrictive.

Even mild cams need a good tune to get the full potential. Because when you change valve lift duration you directly affect how much air goes in and our of the cylinder.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i think a 20whp gain from i/im/h/e, tb, and cam gears with a great tune is believable. thats ~170whp? most setups i see with 170whp+ setups do at least have ctr cams but i wouldnt call BS on his setup.

Libertariat

With cams I would certainly believe it.

Just bolt ons, it's questionable.

gsr x civic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">With cams I would certainly believe it.

Just bolt ons, it's questionable. </TD></TR></TABLE>

but see, i never stated my overall power. i just stated that i made an extra 20whp. could my car have been running like ****? yes. in fact, it was.

and my overall power was 172 / 131 after the tune.

THC07

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I find that hard to believe, what were the mods?</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol, X2
I call BS on that. maybe 20 @ the crank...

VAFC is CRAP! I should put in my sig. Its TRASH. i love hearing ppl at the track bragging about the gain from there vafc. lol dude its a honda, vafc are crap with hondas. ask me why and ill beat you with it.

120$ vafc retarded wates of money

Hondata is a waste of money also. not a bad system at all, but damnit you guys that ***** free, its called Crome or Uberdata or Neptune. its just an editor.

EDIT: "but see, i never stated my overall power. i just stated that i made an extra 20whp. could my car have been running like ****? yes. in fact, it was. "

sorry i dint see that, you may be righ then. but if it was running like ****, hows a vafc gonna fix that?? unless theres somthing your not telling us

gsr x civic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by THC07 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
sorry i dint see that, you may be righ then. but if it was running like ****, hows a vafc gonna fix that?? unless theres somthing your not telling us</TD></TR></TABLE>

no my friend. you're just reading it incorrectly.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gsr x civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
on a full bolt on gsr i made an extra 20whp adjusting timing, af's, and changing the crossover point with hondata. </TD></TR></TABLE>

anyway, i'd like to get off my ****. i feel bad for thread jacking this ******'s thread