NerveAgent

Hi
Im saving money right now and doing a lot of research on buy a new engine for my 96hx. I've decided that i want to get a b16a2(si 99-00). I just finished reading the engine swap faq, and i came across an interesting point.

B16
These can be found in the JDM SIR and SIRII (among other JDM cars, which I don't claim to know all of which it came in) as well as the USDM 99-00 SI (EM1) and the 99-00 Canadian SIR.

Pros
160 hp stock
High RPM power
Fairly inexpensive
Good transmission
DOHC VTEC

Cons
113ft/lbs torque (very little more than a D16z6 stock)
<U>Without knowing what you're looking for you can end up with a high mileage JDM model</U>
Under 4k or so it feels just like a D16


I know there is almost no way to find out what has been done or how much mileage is on an engine. But this IS my 1st time buying an engine so im asking for any tips or procedures i should do, or look on the engine before it gets dumps into my bay.

Thanks.

McNizzle

Ask for papers to verify the mileage of the engine and ask if it comes with any type of warranty. Also, make sure it was compression and leak down tested before it was removed from the car and if not ask them if it comes with any type of guarantee that the compression and what not are at propper levels. http://www.importautosalvage.com/ and http://www.hmotorsonline.com are very reputable places to buy an engine. Good luck

NerveAgent

I was just quoted today b16a2 installed (he said i needed a rear bracket or something) well everthing installed for 2900. I said 2900?!?!(thought in my mind..wow thats cheap!) he said it was a jdm engine. Thats all i obtained from that conversation. By compression and leak down tested before it was removed from the car and if not ask them if it comes with any type of guarantee that the compression and what not are at propper levels. any certain numbers i should look for?! im sorry im really new at this whole engine swapping thing.

McNizzle

$2900 is a good deal. I think the compression should be around 210 each cylinder, but im not positive on the exact numbers.

McNizzle

also you want to make sure that the numbers are farely close across the board. you want them all to be within 10psi of each other. example 210, 210, 200, 210 would be fine....you dont want anything like 210, 185,210, 190

NerveAgent

cool cool can anyone confirm the compression numbers. 210ish..

97mini-me

210 sounds about right. I hit 230-235 on my b18c.
If you can buy the engine locally, do it. Whatever you do, don't buy it from TotalJDM.com. They don't know how to run a business. It took me about 3 months to get an engine from them that "they had in stock". Still waiting on my ctr cluster. Order was placed last May.

HondaFanatic708

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NerveAgent &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hi
Im saving money right now and doing a lot of research on buy a new engine for my 96hx. I've decided that i want to get a b16a2(si 99-00). I just finished reading the engine swap faq, and i came across an interesting point.

B16
These can be found in the JDM SIR and SIRII (among other JDM cars, which I don't claim to know all of which it came in) as well as the USDM 99-00 SI (EM1) and the 99-00 Canadian SIR.

Pros
160 hp stock
High RPM power
Fairly inexpensive
Good transmission
DOHC VTEC

Cons
113ft/lbs torque (very little more than a D16z6 stock)
<U>Without knowing what you're looking for you can end up with a high mileage JDM model</U>
Under 4k or so it feels just like a D16


I know there is almost no way to find out what has been done or how much mileage is on an engine. But this IS my 1st time buying an engine so im asking for any tips or procedures i should do, or look on the engine before it gets dumps into my bay.

Thanks.
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Ok your close man. There is actuall NO JDM B16A2, there is the first gen JDM B16A (cable tranny, similiar HP to USDM 99-00Si B16) and the second gen JDM B16A (hydro tranny, better HP over USDM 99-00Si B16). These are commonly reffered to as JDM B16A1 and JDM B16A2 but BOTH will have B16A on the block. The USDM B16A is the actual B16A2 from the 99-00Si. I wouldn't go with this option, most likely stolen for one and its USDM for two. Also there is the USDM B16A3 from the 94 DelSol VTEC. The USDM motors will say B16A2 or B16A3 on the block, again JDM will not have a number after B16. Go JDM bro, talk to Tony @ Import Palace, he hooked me up with my second gen JDM B16A. His website is http://www.import-palace.com. When ordering let him know Adam from Chicago sent you to him. Have fun. Happy Tuning!!!

NerveAgent

Would i need a instrument cluster with the swap?!

NerveAgent

didn't think there was a jdm b16a2 either. I asked him is it a b16a2?! he said yes. he also said its jdm. the only b16jdm engines i knew of are B16A G1 (JDM '88-91 Civic SiR)
B16A G2 (JDM '92-95 Civic SiR2,93-95 Del Sol) And i can't use any of these engines because in california your engine has to be of the year of your car or newer. Since i have a 96ej i can't use thoese engines. So is there a jdm b16a 96 and up?

Ricey McRicerton

People will tell you anything is "JDM" now becase so many stunner kids see it as the new style and will pay retarted amounts of money for **** based on that alone.

93egSIboi

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Tell me about it. Just look at ebay, there is "JDM Style" crap everywhere on there and the sad thing is people actually buy that crap.

McNizzle

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I wouldn't go with this option, most likely stolen for one and its USDM for two. Also there is the USDM B16A3 from the 94 DelSol VTEC. The USDM motors will say B16A2 or B16A3 on the block, </TD></TR></TABLE>

For being in California, those UDSM motors might be the best options in order to pass emissions easily. JDM motors can pass emissions with some extra work, but its much easier to do with a USDM motor.

NerveAgent

What extra work would i have to do to make it pass easlily?!

B16aDasher

beucase you are in CA, buy one local. IMO That way you can save on shipping.

Mischief_EG

well not to burst your bubble....but save your money for a b18c!

McNizzle

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NerveAgent &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What extra work would i have to do to make it pass easlily?!</TD></TR></TABLE>

nothing major...i think u need an USDM ecu, good catalytic converter, and some other things. not too sure exactly everything that is needed because I dont live in a state with emissions testing. There are a few threads on here about passing smog in cali, just search and im sure youll find somethin.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Team_MISCHIEF_916 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well not to burst your bubble....but save your money for a b18c! </TD></TR></TABLE>

to each his own....

HondaFanatic708

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Team_MISCHIEF_916 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well not to burst your bubble....but save your money for a b18c! </TD></TR></TABLE> As Chris said, to each his own. You could take a B16A, throw a JMD B18 head on the bitch with a "spacer" talk to Eagle and get some super long connecting rods, bore the bitch out and stroke the hell out of it. BLAM, you got yourself like a 2.4L or maybe a 2.5L. And when you pop the hood people look at the B16A mark on your block and think their B18 will blow you away, it's a passive means of a sleeper. IMO

HondaFanatic708

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NerveAgent &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">didn't think there was a jdm b16a2 either. I asked him is it a b16a2?! he said yes. he also said its jdm. the only b16jdm engines i knew of are B16A G1 (JDM '88-91 Civic SiR)
B16A G2 (JDM '92-95 Civic SiR2,93-95 Del Sol) And i can't use any of these engines because in california your engine has to be of the year of your car or newer. Since i have a 96ej i can't use thoese engines. So is there a jdm b16a 96 and up?</TD></TR></TABLE>
There are a ton of people who refer to the JDM 1st and 2nd gen B16A as B16A1 and B16A2. Ask them what is printed on the front of the block. Ask them to take a picture or something. If they insist one with A2 or A3 is JDM tell em your not ****** stupid, people on Honda-Tech got my back, they don't want me to buy your bunk *** USDM motor. No new guage cluster needed for the swap unless you have a cluster without a tach (this is an optional thing BTW, you can survive with your stock cluster)

Like also stated buy USDM locally since you have some fucked up emissions in CA. It is your best bet $ wise. It takes some good $, proper tuning and excessive maintainence to make a JDM motor pass CA emission standards. You want cost effective from what I gather in this thread. Talk to Toni if you can't find one locally, he should be able to help you out.

hybrid_vtec

IMO stay away from a B16, get a GSR. And if you dont have the $ for a GSR, you can get an H22 for the same price as a B16.

jdmBOMEXsi

IMO get a GSR block, wit a B16 head....B16a2 tranny....mmmmmfeel the power....

McNizzle

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> As Chris said, to each his own. You could take a B16A, throw a JMD B18 head on the bitch with a "spacer" talk to Eagle and get some super long connecting rods, bore the bitch out and stroke the hell out of it. BLAM, you got yourself like a 2.4L or maybe a 2.5L. And when you pop the hood people look at the B16A mark on your block and think their B18 will blow you away, it's a passive means of a sleeper. IMO </TD></TR></TABLE>


i say do that, if your pockets go that deep

NerveAgent

IMO stay away from a B16, get a GSR. And if you dont have the $ for a GSR, you can get an H22 for the same price as a B16.

I would love to get a h22 but... im a little bitch and i like a/c. And im pretty sure you can't have a/c and a h22 swap. If i am wrong someone correct me because i love torque. but i love a/c more.. as for a b18c (gsr)..The price is the only reason i haven't considerd it. plus i heard that the b16 can take more abuse than the b18. Again if im wrong enlighten me.

McNizzle

you CAN keep a/c with an h22, but it will be a really tight fit....as for the b16 being able to take more of a beating than a b18, havent really heard that one? I thought that they would be equal, as long as they are in stock form.

NerveAgent

really h22 and a/c..i wonder how much that would be in my ej..yeah i was reading something about that how honda made the b16 head to rev more..im prolly sounding stupid now ill stop. but i dunno h22 stop won't i have to change like stiffer springs and whatnot. i dunno sounds too complicated. b18 sounds temping though. Im doing my swap most defintley in sep/aug. would a b18 really worth a few hunderd more?!