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3 problems, 2 error codes. I'm stumped!

Old 08-16-2010, 09:49 AM
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Icon6 3 problems, 2 error codes. I'm stumped!

I have a 2000 civic lx sedan.
The main problem that I can't figure out, I've asked tons of people and nobody can figure it out either.
When my car is running my dashlights, headlights, interior lights, etc. all "Pulse".
When I turn the car off they dont pulse anymore. I'm uploading a video now, hopefully you can see it clear enough. Every now and then while im driving they will stop pulsing and everything is fine, then a couple minutes later it starts again. Sometimes I can even feel the car spudder along with the pulses. The car isnt misfiring as far as I know. Autozone tested the alt and said it was fine, but they said i might need a new battery soon. Any ideas?

Apart from that, I'm getting 2 error codes which I cant figure out how to fix.
They showed up when my car spuddered hard from the pulses.

P1336 - csf sensor interruption.
P0138 - o2 circuit high voltage. Bank 1, sensor 2.

Any advice helps.
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Default Re: 3 problems, 2 error codes. I'm stumped!

Have a different auto parts store check the alternator. It may be bad.

Is dash 7.5A dash fuse 15 blown?
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Default Re: 3 problems, 2 error codes. I'm stumped!

Just learned about this a few days ago, but it may be what Ron is leading to. Your engine harness may be getting worn around on the IM bracket. The piping around the wire may have come apart and is now getting worn down and shorting. Or the fuse Ron brought up could just be blown. The description I brought up causes that fuse to blow though.
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Default Re: 3 problems, 2 error codes. I'm stumped!

I'll check the fuse when my girlfriend gets home with my car.

But where the IM bracket?"

Intake manifold bracket?


Also, any ideas on the pulsing? I dont think a fuse would cause that
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Default Re: 3 problems, 2 error codes. I'm stumped!

You have something starting to ground out, like previously mentioned.
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Default Re: 3 problems, 2 error codes. I'm stumped!

Originally Posted by xTomei
But where the IM bracket?"

Intake manifold bracket?
yep, underneath the intake manifold, the wire are simply wrapped with tape from the factory and can/will rub through and short to ground and cause some funky issues, honda's fix involves taping up the individual wires and putting loom over the whole thing.

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Also, any ideas on the pulsing? I dont think a fuse would cause that
I've seen it before, harness shorts and blows fuse, dash lights pulse, speedometer is often erratic as well, but its totally dependent on just which wires are touching the bracket.
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Default Re: 3 problems, 2 error codes. I'm stumped!

you guys are amazing. There is a few wires in the harness rubbing against the alternator belt. I'll unplug it and tape it up. Might solve my other problems as well seeing as they are power related.
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Default Re: 3 problems, 2 error codes. I'm stumped!

Well, I fixed the exposed wires, and my lights still pulse! Any other ideas?
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^You look at the harness by the IM bracket too?
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Did you get the alternator checked yet?
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best idea to replace the harness
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Originally Posted by F4MzEkSOL
best idea to replace the harness
Pretty much all of them suffered from the same issue. Honda issued a TSB for it years ago. So even if you replace the harness you're still going to have to fix it unless you buy a brand new one.
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Default Re: 3 problems, 2 error codes. I'm stumped!

I'll go check the intake manifold bracket right now.

Autozone checked the alt and said it passed the test.

And if I need to replace the whole harness I will either deal with the problem or sell the car.
Thats one pain in the dick job.
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Default Re: 3 problems, 2 error codes. I'm stumped!

Just checked and I couldn't find anymore exposed wires.
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Default Re: 3 problems, 2 error codes. I'm stumped!

Also I would like to add that sometimes my car spudders in time with the pulsing of the lights.

Its very aggravating.
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^Yes, the engine pulsing is also a symptom of the problem I'm telling you about. You have to have exposed wires somewhere. Did you ever change the fuse?
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Heres a link to the actual TSB itself. --> http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/civic/x99-029e.pdf

I have no idea why the diagram shows 2 plugs plugged into each other, theres 2 dead end plugs, but they don't plug into each other, one is blue, one grey. You usually have to look pretty close at the wires to see where they rubbed through. I fixed one these before for someone, dash lights definately pulsed.
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Ok, I'll check again tomorrow. The wires i fixed were very exposed and touching eachother. 3 wires coming from under the intake manifold going down past the belts and going into the head where one of the pulleys connects.

And No I didn't change the fuse, It is still good.
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That pdf says that the problem is for 96-99 and not in my model.

I have a 2000 civic LX. I'm not sure is theres a difference though.
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They say the problem is corrected on 00's but the corrected problem is just putting plastic tubing around the wire so...
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Originally Posted by SpecialBrownie
They say the problem is corrected on 00's but the corrected problem is just putting plastic tubing around the wire so...
Yep, engine might have been replaced at some point, '99 harness may have been used, maybe the guy/girl building engine harnesses was hung over that day the tubing got missed and went through QA without being noticed.
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Default Re: 3 problems, 2 error codes. I'm stumped!

Still cant find any exposed wires. And the problem is getting worse.
My lights flash, my horn sounds like a siren, the car spudders, pretty much everything involving some sort of electricity pulsates.

This is getting weird and annoying.
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