BlkChryKord

I'm trying to make my H22 loving friend a believer that the F23 has just as much potential on boost or N/A as his H22, without sleeving.

Looking for highest N/A or Boost, streetable, with dyno charts to back up the info.

All I've found so far is one guy's F23 in a 96 Accord w/ RSX pistons hitting 177hp/187tq on a dynapack. - Funny thing is that that's more than what my buddies H22 is putting out w/ JUN cams and supertech springs/retainers.




Modified by BlkChryKord at 10:32 AM 4/3/2007

notoriousB

242 hp/268 ft/lbs

stock F23 at about 12 psi w/ drag t3/04b - ringlands didn't last at this power level; tuner is suspect.



F23 N/A will never touch an H22 N/A. boosted F23 will toast an N/A H22.

hurleyint

The F23 will only be fast on boost or nitrous.

twkdCD595

only F23's?

4drH22Accord

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlkChryKord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm trying to make my H22 loving friend a believer that the F23 has just as much potential on boost or N/A as his H22, without sleeving.

Looking for highest N/A or Boost, streetable, with dyno charts to back up the info.

All I've found so far is one guy's F23 in a 96 Accord w/ RSX pistons hitting 177hp/187tq on a dynapack. - Funny thing is that that's more than what my buddies H22 is putting out w/ JUN cams and supertech springs/retainers.


Modified by BlkChryKord at 10:32 AM 4/3/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>

There is no way that H22 is putting less then 177hp. I have a H22A with I/H/E on Hondata and I am putting down 197whp. Maybe he is untuned, but with Jun cams and supertech springs/retainers should be more around 202-207. H22 will always put more then the F23 motor. Whether is turbo vs turbo or NA vs NA, plus more torque.

hotaccord243

i dont have my dyno available because its on a poster for car shows, but right now ive dynod at 247.9whp i can't remember the exact wtq but thats with a precision sc34 at 8psi and aem ems, that was after the fact that i got a couple other mods so id say a tad more without sleeves right now, and its been holding up for months now!

Tyte-S

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4drH22Accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

There is no way that H22 is putting less then 177hp. I have a H22A with I/H/E on Hondata and I am putting down 197whp. Maybe he is untuned, but with Jun cams and supertech springs/retainers should be more around 202-207. H22 will always put more then the F23 motor. Whether is turbo vs turbo or NA vs NA, plus more torque.</TD></TR></TABLE> Ha Funny ****... An f23 will never touch an h22? really? really? Remove head from *** then speak. Why are some ppl so die hard for these h22's? even when i was all motor my 6th gen spanked 'ludes easily

Tyte-S

Honestly, Youre better off keeping the f23 bottom end with and h22 head if you want a good setup.

BlkChryKord

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4drH22Accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

There is no way that H22 is putting less then 177hp. I have a H22A with I/H/E on Hondata and I am putting down 197whp. Maybe he is untuned, but with Jun cams and supertech springs/retainers should be more around 202-207. H22 will always put more then the F23 motor. Whether is turbo vs turbo or NA vs NA, plus more torque.</TD></TR></TABLE>

He is tuned, that's the sad part. He bought his JUN's used so eh...maybe they're not really JUN's? I dunno I've never seen em and I certainly didn't notice a difference when he swapped cams and tuned w/ Crome. He told me the tuner said he was maxing out his injectors too. I'm not really sure what to believe when it comes from his mouth.

H22 will not put down more torque either, its not in the motor.

thetomshow

f23 block with h22 head.. is that bolt on .. cause ia was looking for something like that.. (f23 dohc chiped) ??

Tyte-S

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thetomshow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">f23 block with h22 head.. is that bolt on .. cause ia was looking for something like that.. (f23 dohc chiped) ??
</TD></TR></TABLE> From what i hear, bolts right up. Someone correct me if im wrong, but even if it doesnt, they do fit.

philadd

Not quite.

There's a link in the Accord FAQ.

DCFIVER

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by f23a4t &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Ha Funny ****... An f23 will never touch an h22? really? really? Remove head from *** then speak. Why are some ppl so die hard for these h22's? even when i was all motor my 6th gen spanked 'ludes easily</TD></TR></TABLE>

N/A ,mod for mod, no the F23 will never touch the H22. sorry buddy but it just cant happen. The motor was not designed with performance in mind. With that said, boost is a diffrent matter. I cant honestly say wich motor is superior...

Tyte-S

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N/A ,mod for mod, no the F23 will never touch the H22. sorry buddy but it just cant happen. The motor was not designed with performance in mind. With that said, boost is a diffrent matter. I cant honestly say wich motor is superior...</TD></TR></TABLE> Seriously, the f23 responds great to boost while the h22 seems sluggish unless you throw it into a civic. How do you know it wasnt built for performance? Did you have a hand in building it? I guarantee any all motor set up on an h22 out there i can build a f23 all motor set up to match it.

361 accord

im satisfied wth stock F23A1, whats so good about h22's ok they came out of preludes, sooo what are all the preludes using right now, who the expletive is gonna swap a H22 for a civic engine, btw theres no such thing as a H22 motor swap, its an engine, it runs offa fuel, not rice, not electricity or gerbil power...

DCFIVER

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by f23a4t &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I guarantee any all motor set up on an h22 out there i can build a f23 all motor set up to match it.</TD></TR></TABLE>


No. You cant. Especially if you're idea of "building up" a motor consists of all those garbage AEM/ DC sports parts that you threw at your motor. Oh yea and your great OBX ehxaust too

BlkChryKord

Well this thread went to **** fast.

notoriousB

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlkChryKord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well this thread went to **** fast.</TD></TR></TABLE>
it sure did.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by f23a4t &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I guarantee any all motor set up on an h22 out there i can build a f23 all motor set up to match it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
this is funny. and wrong. LMAO.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 361accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">btw theres no such thing as a H22 motor swap, its an engine, it runs offa fuel, not rice, not electricity or gerbil power...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have no idea what this means but it made me laugh too.

guys, let's face facts, the H22 is a better platform, NA or boost. It is a DOHC motor with a shorter stroke. The F23 is a long stroke, low rev motor. F23 is OK for low end torque but up top an H22 will beat it any day. Build for build, dollar for dollar the H22 will always outperform the F. Sorry.

And before you start whining please note that I have a turbocharged F23 with a built bottom end.

DCFIVER

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlkChryKord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well this thread went to **** fast.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry.

4drH22Accord

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by f23a4t &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Ha Funny ****... An f23 will never touch an h22? really? really? Remove head from *** then speak. Why are some ppl so die hard for these h22's? even when i was all motor my 6th gen spanked 'ludes easily</TD></TR></TABLE>

First off you have no idea who I am and what I know. I know that an all motor H22 will walk an all motor F22/F23. Its been proven time and time again and the F23 was not built for performance, it was built as a economy style car. Good gas milage was its main purpose. If you have ever heard of Brauning Motorsports in VA then you might consider what you are talking about. Just say it, H22 is better then a F series. Read what everyone else has said and say-----I'm sorry, you all are right. I guess I was the one needing to pull my head out of my ***. As for spanking Preludes, did they have the same bolt ons as you???? Auto or 5 speed???? Vtec or Non-Vtec.

4drH22Accord

check them out http://www.brauningmotorsports.com

Tyte-S

A boosted f213 will walk all over a boosted h22. Point blank. Ive built both, so unlike you, i dont need to go to another shop to ask which one is better. Even stock to stock. 2000 accord to 2000 prelude. Ide take the accord. vtec to vtec. 2.3L to 2.2L. dohc to sohc. however you want. ****, bring your your h22 up here. we can run anytime. im not the only person who knows a boosted f23 is better than a boosted h22, im not even the only person in this thread who says this. I guess the avatar doesnt lie.

Tyte-S

ummm, its a GReddy MX Free Flow exhaust with OBX canisters froma v6 accord. LoL Anyways, if you cant type things correctly after looking at them, next time just copy and paste son. And i never said my engine was built, i said i could build an f series to match a h series. ffs get your **** straight lil kid, dont come in here aguing with grown men quoting the wrong information. And i am not arguin that the h22 is not a good platform, **** ide rather have 2 cams instead of one as well. I am simply stating the f23 can match it. With the exact builds they will both put down similiar power numbers.


Modified by f23a4t at 3:57 PM 4/4/2007

accordselux

Seriously, is it your mission to go through honda tech and post incorrect info? I have just reentered the Accord forum after a few weeks, and every time I come in you're writing something ridiculous.

Tyte-S

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No. You cant. Especially if you're idea of "building up" a motor consists of all those garbage AEM/ DC sports parts that you threw at your motor. Oh yea and your great OBX ehxaust too
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ummm, its a GReddy MX Free Flow exhaust with OBX canisters froma v6 accord and yes i know its a v4 but it was on from when the original engine which was turboed then in a flood.