smsimon

Hey all. My 94 accord has oil all inside all 4 spark plug housing. I noticed my #4 spark plug wire was not plugged in all the way.....so naturaly i pulled it out to check it out. As soon as i took it out there was oil all over the place. I removed all the other wires and they were all like that. I'm not talking about a little oil.....it was dripping all over the place. The weird thing is that the car drives just fine. I drove about half hr or so and looked under the hood again and found the #4 spark plug wire out again. If i squeeze down hard oil squirts out of the little pressure hole. Anyone have any ideas on what it could be? Also another thing....this might have nothing to do with the same problem......my distributor o ring seems to be cracked. There is a little bit of oil leaking out between the distributer and the engine. This does not relate to my spark plug problem does it? Any help will be great.....THANKS!

accord99power

spark plug tube seals sound like their bad but not usually all of them at the same time go out, but if u havent checked them ever then that might be the prob. vlave cover kits normally have the gromets, valve cover gasket and spark plug tube seals. ohh and please replace the o-ring! hehe!

cityslicker1606

you might have the 4th spark plug cross-threaded

sony224422

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hes talking about the wire.

Theres pressure from the oil popping it off.

smsimon

How hard is it to replace the tube seals? I have a service maual but do you recommend this service to be a do-it-yourselfer?

JimBlake

If it's the upper tube seals, that's simple like a valve cover gasket. Those upper tube seals usually come with the valve cover gasket, but be sure when you buy it.

If you have an LX, it also has LOWER tube seals. To replace those, you have to dismantle the rockers, camshaft bearing caps, & all that stuff. Much bigger job. The EX (vtec) engine doesn't have lower tube seals.

smsimon

i have the LX model. Most likely do you think its just the top tube seal?

sony224422

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JimBlake &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If it's the upper tube seals, that's simple like a valve cover gasket. Those upper tube seals usually come with the valve cover gasket, but be sure when you buy it.

If you have an LX, it also has LOWER tube seals. To replace those, you have to dismantle the rockers, camshaft bearing caps, & all that stuff. Much bigger job. The EX (vtec) engine doesn't have lower tube seals.
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aww man i have to do this too and i have an LX.
I was reading the faq's and read this http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/sh...seals

but its for a 90-93. its the same engine we have correct ( 5th gen f22 non vtec) so it'd be the same stuff as in that write up?

JimBlake

Should be about the same, but I barely glanced at that write-up & it doesn't have pictures.

I'd hate to try & guess whether it's the upper or lower that's leaking in your car. Still, I'd replace the valve cover gasket with the upper tube seals. Then cross your fingers & hope that the lower ones aren't leaking. If you have to go back & do the lower ones, you've only wasted the time of taking your valve cover off; which isn't really much work.

kidcool1977

there are no lower tube seals in the 94 lx i know because i have one.The single overhead cam has only has four upper spark plug tube seal, just look for a diagram it will show. As for the o-ring in the distributor it's fairly simple, but if you have never done it might seem difficult. if you have ?,s just do a search or post.

JimBlake

They're #19.

Honda_Accord

im pretty sure there are lower seals in 94.s

i had to do this to my 97 b.c i was leaking oil in my spark plugs to, its not that hard at all, specially if u have some sort of manual (i didnt have a manual to do it), u can even google it.

Good luck

kidcool1977

i was looking at my manual and all i see is intake valve seals, unless that's what ya'll meant.

sony224422

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JimBlake &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Should be about the same, but I barely glanced at that write-up & it doesn't have pictures.

I'd hate to try & guess whether it's the upper or lower that's leaking in your car. Still, I'd replace the valve cover gasket with the upper tube seals. Then cross your fingers & hope that the lower ones aren't leaking. If you have to go back & do the lower ones, you've only wasted the time of taking your valve cover off; which isn't really much work.
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i haven't looked in my repair manual, but should it cover the lower gaskets? I'd rather just do them all once.

JimBlake

What manual? Helm? The lower gaskets probably don't have their own index/section. You want to look for the section that covers dismantling the valvetrain & removing the camshaft.

Look at the picture I posted. The camshaft bearing caps form the middle part of the sparkplug tube, so you have to take those off. In order to do that, you have to remove the rocker assemblies. The only step you don't need is to remove the camshaft itself. Make sure you get bolting sequence & torque for the cam caps.

smsimon

From what I read online and from what people say its really rare for all the seals to break at the same time. what do you guys think? If its not the seal what else can cause an excessive amount of oil in the spark plug housing? Just wanted to know so i can take a look while i have the cover off.

Honda-Master

here you go..

http://www.hondaaccordforum.co...m.htm

JimBlake

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But all of those seals are the same age & have gone through the same temperature history. What can happen is you don't notice anything, and you don't remove any of the cables, until they all have had a chance to start leaking.

sony224422

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http://www.hondaaccordforum.co...m.htm</TD></TR></TABLE>

i read thru that and its pretty much the same thing as the other one.. however he states not to adjust the valves? I know the valves are not self adjusting.. so why wouldn't you

JimBlake

I think he means if you're careful putting everything back, the valves should remain in adjustment.

If you're going to adjust them anyway (say it's been 40k miles) then you ought to adjust them after doing this job.

Honda-Master

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i read thru that and its pretty much the same thing as the other one.. however he states not to adjust the valves? I know the valves are not self adjusting.. so why wouldn't you</TD></TR></TABLE>

if you read carefully it says ( there is no need to adjust the valves ) it does not say do not adjust the valves ,,Like Jim says if you have not adjusted valves for over 30k , than adjust them but if they were recently adjusted than there is no need to adjust them.
I have replaced a **** load of these lower seals and not readjusted the valves ..
now this being your own car, you can do anything you want on it ,, all it was saying is no need to readjust if you DO NOT want to or need to

sony224422

whoa desert i didn't notice.

yeah i need to adjust them, i was just confused. 126k on the orginal adjustment hehe.

smsimon

Just wanted to let everyone know.....I talked to the dealer and a few other parts stores and they all said the 94 accord lx only has 4 seals on top.

TouringAccord

then none of them know what they are talking about. JimBlake showed you a diagram showing the o-ring. But just in case you'd like a better quality diagram, here you go.



The lower o-ring seals are part #19

91301-PT0-003 O-RING (29.7X2.5) ~$3

Just go to the dealer and have them look up the "Cylinder Head" diagram for your year/model Accord. It'll look the same as above, then ask them what part #19 is.

NeKe1point0

^^^ha ha ! ! i jst had to replace my lower seals too - they are def in there like what was sd above... the people at the parts store are jst min wage workers. im sure someone here will agree, but half the time whn i go into a part store they have no idea what they're talkin about, they are jst punching in ur yr make and model and making an educated guess, even at honda... my guess is if its not the lower seals which is a very good poss it is, it could be if someone recntly changed the valve cover gasket it jst may hv been a faulty job. good luck