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Old 06-16-2006, 12:45 PM   #1
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According to this government website, it appears that it is illegal.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rule...s.htm

Add that to the news that West Coast customs got fined for removing a steering wheel air bag, and it seems to be true.

However, I called a PA state inspection station and they say it will pass inspection. I called the PA DMV and they said it will pass inspection. This is confusing...
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It's a federal law. US>PA. If you get into an accident with the airbag removed, your insurance won't cover it, and you could be held liable.

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It's a federal law. US>PA. If you get into an accident with the airbag removed, your insurance won't cover it, and you could be held liable.
But what exactly is the wording of the federal law? There could be loopholes worded in.
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It's a federal law. US>PA. If you get into an accident with the airbag removed, your insurance won't cover it, and you could be held liable.
Note to self: cancel day to take out airbags.
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Yeah, federal laws trump state laws. Which is why gay marriage magically becomes a major issue shortly before federal elections.

I doubt there's any loophole beyond exemptions for track-only cars. If you're driving a car that came with airbags on public roads you need to have the airbags installed.
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I doubt there's any loophole beyond exemptions for track-only cars.
Don't doubt, prove.
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Considering the weight of your steering wheel with the air-bag vs the weight of your steering wheel without... what's the added value of taking off your air bags?

When I was little, I liked removing the nut-pad off my dirtbike because I thought it looked cooler without. Shortly afterwards, I came to the realization that:

Looking cool is totally worth it until the day you get your first black and blue tea bag.
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It's not that they want to "remove" the airbag.

It's more that they want to use a cool Vin Diesel style aftermarket steering wheel with NAWS buttons
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But what exactly is the wording of the federal law?
That it is a federal offence to disable, remove or otherwise render inoperable any factory installed safety device. I'm looking up the code right now, but it was pretty much spelled out in black and white.

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either take it off completely or don't
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Old 06-16-2006, 04:43 PM   #11
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Considering the weight of your steering wheel with the air-bag vs the weight of your steering wheel without... what's the added value of taking off your air bags?

When I was little, I liked removing the nut-pad off my dirtbike because I thought it looked cooler without. Shortly afterwards, I came to the realization that:

Looking cool is totally worth it until the day you get your first black and blue tea bag.


ouch!! had the same experience

but anyways.. if you don't like the look of the stock wheel.. why not go with a dc5 or an ep3 wheel? at least it still has the airbag and it looks a lot better.
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You could probably get away with it even if it is the law. But we live in a sue happy Country, And if you let someone else drive your car, take a passenger along, or sell it, and someone gets hurt, it could come back to bite you.
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ya know that is a preaty good question........


ive always heard its illegal BUT then again if the inspection people pass the vehicle i dont see why it would be...

seeing how ive heard they will fail you for the littlest things! (gotta love being in a start that doesnt have inspections )

very questionable non the less................

but personaly id leave the bag where its at!
it could very well save your life..... its thier for a reason! ive seen alot of custom steering wheels BUT never any that totaly looked like they belong.
or they where total billet or thick plexiglass and lets face it if you make contact with either wheel that could easily kill you in a accident!!!! thats why new steering wheels at least have some padding.LOL

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If the airbag is over 10 years old, you take your chances... I will never trust an airbag, because I've seen the consequences. But I'm not as nervous in a late model car as I would be in an EG.

Wear your seatbelt, sit back as far as you can reach from the steering wheel. Maybe get a 4 or 5 pt harness.

Make your stupid arguments. I have an EF and an EG. Are you trying to tell me I'm stupid to drive the EF? Just as stupid as removing a defunct airbag from the EG, which wasn't a very good design anyway being the first incarnation. Don't even say **** unless you've hit the airbag in an old car under 40mph.

I would like to see the exact wording of the law. My understanding is that it's only illegal to sell a car that has had the airbag removed.
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Not only is it illegal. If I remember correctly, a deployed airbag or removed one, makes the car "salvaged"
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When I was little, I liked removing the nut-pad off my dirtbike because I thought it looked cooler without. Shortly afterwards, I came to the realization that:

Looking cool is totally worth it until the day you get your first black and blue tea bag.
lmfao.
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Not only is it illegal. If I remember correctly, a deployed airbag or removed one, makes the car "salvaged"
That's not accurate/true. Issuance if a salvage title is not dependent upon whether or not the airbag(s) deployed - it is only salvage if the car is deemed a total loss by an insurance company.
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It's a federal law. US>PA. If you get into an accident with the airbag removed, your insurance won't cover it, and you could be held liable.
i agree...
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That's not accurate/true. Issuance if a salvage title is not dependent upon whether or not the airbag(s) deployed - it is only salvage if the car is deemed a total loss by an insurance company.
Deployed airbags pretty much guarantee your car being written off as a total loss if it is more than 5 years old...
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Deployed airbags pretty much guarantee your car being written off as a total loss if it is more than 5 years old...

LOL
obviously the airbags have hit you more than enough times for you to have a dislike for them.
how old the car is has nothing to do with the functionality or the car deemed salvage through ones insurance company solely on them being previously deployed.
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Deployed airbags pretty much guarantee your car being written off as a total loss if it is more than 5 years old...
Not really, I've seen airbags deploy at 10mph...then again I've seen a metal utility bar rip an engine into 2 halves going 15mph b/c there was no front brace bar on the frame....that was totalled..

I've been in accidents w/ cars over 10years old, and yes, there is a major difference between them and now.. The only reason I see for taking out airbags is so they don't deploy -- Most of the time I don't go through insurance (unless I have a really bad wreck or the police get there b4 I get a wrecker there), so when the air bags are deployed it just makes one more thing you need to replace to get the car on the road again... I like to leave the air bags out and put them back in for inspection.. but ****, I'm trying to go legit as possible b/c I don't need any more ****.. so I'm leaving them in this honda.. (actually I left them in my probe too O.o)... but I say leave 'em in for the following reasons: one: it's a federal law that if your car came standard with airbags, you CANNOT remove them and drive them on state nor federal land (roads outside your property).

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As to that guy that mentioned the elections and gay marriage....

That doesn't have anything to do with the elections, it just has to do with the fact that Bush hates gay people...
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airbags arent as safe as you guys or SOCIETY like to think they are. the deploy at 200mph and arent soft and fluffy .

"just 152 deaths for a statistical estimate of about 5000 lives saved. But the real number of airbag caused deaths is greater. And this doesn't even consider all the severe injuries caused by airbags over the last 12 years."

sometimes your better off not having an airbag go off. the key to safety is your seatbelt imo. here is a good site that explains all about airbag injuries

http://www.airbagonoff.com/rbarticle.htm

so its not necessarily about being "JDM" looking cool and like "vin diesel"

as for it being illegal to be taken out . there are ways around it but it is they sell off switches that might help you with the federal law im not sure

its on the same website
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My 2002 Corolla hasn't deployed bags.

I've been in two accidents that weren't taken through insurance because of no frame damage, but in both I wondered why the bags didn't go off considering it was a front end collision.

One of them I rear ended a Ford Explorer and the front of my hood actually went slightly under the Explorer. That was at about 20 miles per hour.

The second accident I hit a rail wall on a 25mph curve ramp going about 45 miles per hour. That time the airbag should've DEFINITELY went off but it didn't.

After reading that airbagonoff.com link, and knowing I didn't get injured at ALL in either of my accidents, I only lost a soda, I'm actually GLAD they didn't go off. Reminds me of Final Destination 2 where the girl is in her car and they're opening the door with the jaws of life, and she complains about him making too much noise. He goes "Oh okay ma'am, I'll keep it down" in a sarcastic tone and then mashes on the door again, it makes the airbag go off and her head slams against some broken pipe behind her and kills her instantly. (Part of me wondered why the f they didn't unplug the airbag before using a collision tool like that... That firefighter should've been fired on the spot)
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I bought a 94 civic with deployed airbags. It has a 'salvaged rebuilt' title because it was a recovered theft and the theif removed them. I don't have any problem getting it to pass inspection. granted the SRS light is a little annoying, but it doesn't seem to be an issue in NC.
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