kchungb17a

Hi guys,

I have a Python 524 which apparently is the same as Viper 5204 and Clifford 520.4X, and have some questions about installation into a 95 Integra GSR 3dr.

FYI: I have 2 530T's, one for windows and the other for sunroof. I also have a 520 battery backup and will install a trunk solenoid with relay and a hood pin switch. I probably will only use remote start as a novelty but at some point I will use the turbo timer. I also plan on buying a bit writer to program this.

My car is completely torn apart due to a rebuild project so I thought this would be the best time to put the alarm in. I've stealth installed many alarms in the past but that was a while ago and the technology has changed a little so please bare with me!

First question: What's the deal with the Flex Relay? I've read that in can supply either a (-) or (+) signal when needed. Is this just for remote start control? So I would just hook up the wires I need and not worry about it?

Wiring questions:

Main Harness (H1), 6-pin connector (only 1 question on this connector):
H1/4, white/brown: Parking light isolation wire:
- Do I need this if I'm just lighting the parking lights? I assume this is if I'm lighting the blinkers?

H2 Harness, 24-pin connector (please add to/check my connections):
H2/1 PINK/WHITE (-) 200mA IGNITION/FLEX RELAY CONTROL OUTPUT - ? - What is this for?
H2/2 BLACK/WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY INPUT - Connect to parking brake wire?
H2/3 BLUE/WHITE (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT - Will not use
H2/4 GREEN/BLACK (-) 200mA OEM ALARM DISARM OUTPUT - N/A
H2/5 RED/WHITE (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT - To relay for trunk solenoid
H2/6 GREEN (-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT (N/C* OR N/O) - Grn/Red (-)
H2/7 BLACK/YELLOW (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT SUPERVISION OUTPUT - To relay with Grn/Red
H2/8 BROWN/BLACK (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT - Gray or Blu/Grn (-) Do I need a relay?
H2/9 DARK BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT - ?
H2/10 PINK (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT - ?
H2/11 WHITE/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT - ?
H2/12 VIOLET (+) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT - N/A
H2/13 WHITE/VIOLET (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT - 530T windows
H2/14 VIOLET/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT - 530T sunroof
H2/15 ORANGE/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT - ?
H2/16 BROWN (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT - ? Car brake switch is (-). Relay?
H2/17 GREY (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (N/C OR N/O) - To hood pin switch
H2/18 VIOLET/YELLOW (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT - ?
H2/19 BLUE (-) TRUNK PIN/ INSTANT TRIGGER INPUT (N/C OR N/O) - Grn from trunk latch
H2/20 GREY/BLACK (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT - N/A
H2/21 WHITE/BLUE (-) REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER ACTIVATION INPUT - ?
H2/22 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT - ?
H2/23 VIOLET/WHITE TACHOMETER INPUT - Blue wire at Distributor
H2/24 GREEN/WHITE (-) 200mA OEM ALARM ARM OUTPUT - N/A


Remote Start, (H3) 10-pin connector
H3/1 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT - ?
H3/2 RED/WHITE (87) FLEX RELAY +12V INPUT (30A FUSED) - 12V constant?
H3/3 ORANGE (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT - ?
H3/4 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT (CAR SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL)
H3/5 GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT (KEY SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL)
H3/6 RED IGNITION 1 +12V INPUT (30A FUSED) - 12V with key on?
H3/7 PINK/WHITE (30) FLEX RELAY OUTPUT (car side of ign, acc or starter wire) - ?
H3/8 PINK/BLACK (87a) FLEX RELAY INPUT (key side of ign, acc or starter wire if needed) - ?
H3/9 RED/BLACK ACCESSORY/STARTER RELAY +12V INPUT (30A FUSED) - ?
H3/10 NC No Connection

That's about it for now. Any and all input is appreciated! If you have recommendations on any add ons or uses for the additional Aux outputs, I'd like to here them!

Thanks a lot everyone.

Aau

Main Harness (H1), 6-pin connector (only 1 question on this connector):
H1/4, white/brown: Parking light isolation wire:
- Do I need this if I'm just lighting the parking lights? I assume this is if I'm lighting the blinkers? not needed

H2 Harness, 24-pin connector (please add to/check my connections):
H2/1 PINK/WHITE (-) 200mA IGNITION/FLEX RELAY CONTROL OUTPUT - ? - What is this for?not needed
H2/2 BLACK/WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY INPUT - Connect to parking brake wire? hook to ground
H2/3 BLUE/WHITE (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT - Will not use
H2/4 GREEN/BLACK (-) 200mA OEM ALARM DISARM OUTPUT - N/A
H2/5 RED/WHITE (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT - To relay for trunk solenoid
H2/6 GREEN (-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT (N/C* OR N/O) - Grn/Red (-)
H2/7 BLACK/YELLOW (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT SUPERVISION OUTPUT - To relay with Grn/Red
H2/8 BROWN/BLACK (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT - Gray or Blu/Grn (-) Do I need a relay?not really but i recomend using a relay
H2/9 DARK BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT - ? not needed
H2/10 PINK (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT - ? not needed
H2/11 WHITE/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT - ? not needed
H2/12 VIOLET (+) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT - N/A
H2/13 WHITE/VIOLET (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT - 530T windows
H2/14 VIOLET/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT - 530T sunroof
H2/15 ORANGE/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT - ?
H2/16 BROWN (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT - ? Car brake switch is (-). Relay?connect straight to brake wire
H2/17 GREY (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (N/C OR N/O) - To hood pin switch
H2/18 VIOLET/YELLOW (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT - ? not needed
H2/19 BLUE (-) TRUNK PIN/ INSTANT TRIGGER INPUT (N/C OR N/O) - Grn from trunk latch
H2/20 GREY/BLACK (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT - N/A
H2/21 WHITE/BLUE (-) REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER ACTIVATION INPUT - ? not needed
H2/22 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT - ? not needed
H2/23 VIOLET/WHITE TACHOMETER INPUT - Blue wire at Distributor
H2/24 GREEN/WHITE (-) 200mA OEM ALARM ARM OUTPUT - N/A


Remote Start, (H3) 10-pin connector
H3/1 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT - ?hook to ignition wire
H3/2 RED/WHITE (87) FLEX RELAY +12V INPUT (30A FUSED) - 12V constant? hook to 12v constant
H3/3 ORANGE (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT - ? hook to accessory wire
H3/4 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT (CAR SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL)
H3/5 GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT (KEY SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL)
H3/6 RED IGNITION 1 +12V INPUT (30A FUSED) - 12V with key on? hook to 12v constant
H3/7 PINK/WHITE (30) FLEX RELAY OUTPUT (car side of ign, acc or starter wire) - ? hook to second ignition or accessory if u have them
H3/8 PINK/BLACK (87a) FLEX RELAY INPUT (key side of ign, acc or starter wire if needed) - ? not needed
H3/9 RED/BLACK ACCESSORY/STARTER RELAY +12V INPUT (30A FUSED) - ? hook to 12v constant
H3/10 NC No Connection

hope this helps also for ur window and sunroof i think i need two channels to make them open and close

kchungb17a

Thank you very much for the info!

As for the 530T's I was going to hook them up to the orange ground when armed output wire for close and the aux outputs to open.

Aau

i think if u hook up the channel 3 aux output u can program the alarm to close the window when armed, look in ur install manual for that i think its in the 2-11 in the programming instructions, says something about setting the channel aux output to output when armed, if u wire the orange wire i think it's gonna leave the window module on and possibly burn something out, if ur not sure then i recomend having a professional to do the work.

fcm

It's a GS-R so I assume a 5 speed, H2/9 DARK BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT - would be used for CIS over ride during remote start, unless starter lead(s) are connected after the cars starter relay.

Or you can use H2/3 BLUE/WHITE (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT - 94

kchungb17a

fcm: I missed your comment until now. Going to do most of this work tomorrow.

What is CIS override? What would I hook this wire to?

Thanks

wrx-killer-Sti-eater

iTrader: (1)

fcm. This alarm brain is picky. You have to use a relay to bypass the dei 520t trigger output to the alarm brain during remote start. Or the car will crank once and go full trigger if you try to remote start the car while armed. Also you have to use a relay to bypass the gwa orange wire too during remote start if your using that wire to control a kill switch. Or the car will not start.

fcm

??? 520t trigger output???
Or are you talking to Aau? 94

wrx-killer-Sti-eater

iTrader: (1)

naw. I was just updating ya. The blue wire from the 520t needs to be interupted during remote start. If not you will have to unlock the car to remote start. Or if you start the car armed. It will crank once and the alarm will go off. Same with the orange gwa. Its stays active during remote start.

fcm

OIC, but I know this, and it is a problem with the 520T, I have run into that on other then Viper/DEI alarms, or maybe it's the car on more then a few cars, the voltage drop to the 520T when cranking, [remote starting with alarm armed] triggers the 520T, [blue lead] and a relay controlled by the systems status lead has solved that problem.

Again I do not know if it is a problem with the 530T or some cars starting circuit, I don't think its the alarm/remote start as it happens with diff. brands of alarm/remote starts.

Either way, the OP will still have to connect the remote starts status lead to the CIS output for engine crank, unless he connects starter out, [H3/4 violet] to the cars starter relay output, the point I was trying to make. 94

wrx-killer-Sti-eater

iTrader: (1)

The older 791 or 50.5x never had this issue. I talked to dei about this withen a few hours of getting the newer units in a few years ago. Its the way the new brain is made and picks up. They do not plan on fixing this as its cheaper to use a relay. I get messages about this all day long..smh. So its a lil heads up.

kchungb17a

Thanks for the tip. Do I use a (-) status output like H2/9 to activate these relays? Is 200mA enough to activate 2 relays?