cruzin89lude

Ok I know I don't frequent this board that often, but a lot of you here have tons of knowledge with alarms and I sure as hell don't.

I have a viper 771xv that has remote start hooked up. The remote start has always worked fine until recently when I installed my jdm fogs. I have the fogs set up on a relay so that they will come on with the running lights when I remote start the car. Now when I remote start the car it works for a few minutes but then a fuse blows in the alarm system. So I'm thinking I'm barely overloading the fuse because it works for a bit. I want to know if it's stupid for me to want to try using a 15 amp fuse instead of a 10 amp?

also what alternatives do I have here? if I want the fogs to come on with my remote start what other than a relay can I do? like I said I never had problems with the remote start and if I take the fuse out of my fogs the remote start stays on, so it's not shorting or anything.

help guys?

fcm

By adding the fog lights to the alarm/starters park light flash output you have overloaded it, the fuse is doing exactly what it is supposed to do, DO NOT replace with a bigger fuse.
If you want the fog lights to also flash with alarm/starter use the Vipers H4/2 Brown (-) horn output, to control a relay that will supply the power for the fog lights.

I am not sure I understand how you are wiring the relay to run the fog lights of the alarm starter???? 94

cruzin89lude

well I ran a relay off of the side marker lights so the fogs come on with those. However, it seems the alarm powers it differently when the alarm has the park light flash on constantly such as when I remote start the car. I don't care if the fogs flash or not, I couldnt care less about that, I just want them to come on constant when the car is remote started. does that clarify anything?

B18C_EJ8

How exactly did you wire up this relay?

cruzin89lude

battery to fuse to relay, relay to fogs, sidemarkers tapped to the side of the relay that trips the internal switch or relay, however you say it.

that make sense? I can draw it out exactly tomorrow.

wrx-killer-Sti-eater

iTrader: (1)

Can we get pics of the relay setup? It is a couple of ways that you could of wired it wrong.

cruzin89lude

I'll get at the least a drawing of it today, My cell camera is pretty weak.

cruzin89lude

87 - tapped to side markers
86 - 87 - Fogs 85 - ground
30 - power from bat.

does that work? - is a terminal, it's a 5 pin relay (terminology?)
86 is unused, top 87 is tapped to my sidemarkers, middle 87 is to my fog lights, bottom 30 is power from bat. 85 is ground

cruzin89lude

cruzin89lude

http://img212.imageshack.us/my...1.jpg

cruzin89lude

Sorry for all the posts, there's no "submit" button after I edit a post, that link right above this post is much easier to read, looking that that should be easier than my original explanation.

wrx-killer-Sti-eater

iTrader: (1)

from the way you have it hooked on on the write up the fogs should just stay on and not go off. 85 and 86 is the relay trigger. one has to show ground or 12v for it to work. Do this. run 12v from the parking lights wire to 86. ground 85. leave the battery on 30. Put your fog lights power wire off of 87 not 87a

fcm

As has been mentioned, your relay wiring is not correct, relay can not "energize", would need 12V+ on 86, if 30 is connected to the batt., [constant 12V+] the fogs, [connected to 87a, "middle 87" if it is a SPDT relay would be on all the time, if it is a SPST relay, [top 87 and mid 87] both the fogs and the front side markers would come on if you turn either one on, turn fogs on and side markers will come on and stay on, not blinking for signals and hazards, if you turn on signals or hazards the fogs will also blink, if you turn on the park lights the fogs would also come on, if the park lights are on and the fogs are on the side markers will not blink when signal or hazards are on, also not sure how the "ICU" handles having 12V+ going into it's side marker outputs, [The "ICU" controls the front side markers] it blinks them on for signal lights and hazard lights, if park lights are off. it turns them on when you turn on the park lights and blinks then off for signal and hazard lights.

If you want them, [fog lights] to come on steady only when the car is remote started, connect 30 and 85 to 12V+ constant, connect the fog lights to 87, [top], and use the 2nd status output, [H3/1 blue/white] to control the relay, [86]. 94

cruzin89lude

OK, I think I understand where I screwed up. The fogs work fine right now. When I have them on they don't blow the fuse, but if the remote start is activated that will blow it. I'll try the setup you mentioned and post up if it worked.

Does this mean that right now my fogs are sharing the side markers power? that's ghetto... I'm stupid...

cruzin89lude

also my side markers are independent of my hazards/turn signals so it won't be a factor.

fcm

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cruzin89lude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also my side markers are independent of my hazards/turn signals so it won't be a factor.</TD></TR></TABLE>????, have you rewired them in some way? 94

cruzin89lude

I dont know, I'm not the first owner of this car so it might be diferent, I'll check into that though, could be why everything is weird?

cruzin89lude

correction, my sidemarkers aren't connected to my turn signals but the turn signals are on the hazards. wtf does that mean?

I'm gonna ask in the prelude section to check with anyone else.

cruzin89lude

well, I rewired sidemarkers tap to 86, gnd stayed at 85, bat stayed at 30, fogs moved to the top 87 and 87 middle (A) was unused, this didn't produce fog lights with the sidemarkers coming on. I then went put the fogs on the top 87 and the sidemarker tap to the middle 87, again, works great with the switch, works with remote start for a little bit, like 2 or three minutes and then that fuse blows.

AHHHHH!!!!!! pissed...

fcm

If the relay is the SPDT, 30, [ C common] and 87a, [NC normally closed] are connected when relay is at "rest", 87, [NO normally open] is not connected, when relay is "energized" 12V+ on either 85 or 86, [controls] and ground is on the one the 12V+ is not on, [can be wired either way] the relay will turn on, connecting 87 to 30 and disconnecting 87a from 30, at rest the 12V+ that goes "into" relay comes "out" on 87a when the relay is "energized" the 12V+ going in 30, comes out 87, if you have nothing connected to 86, [12V+ if 85 is ground] the relay can not energize.
Moving the side marker to 87a, [middle] and fogs to 87 and having the fog lights come on when you turn your lights on tels me you have a SPST relay, there is no 87a, [NC] there are two 87s, [NO] and they are connected to each other so when you connect the side marker to the middle 87 and the fogs to the "top" 87 you are just connecting the side markers to the fog lights, that's why the fogs come on when you turn on the lights, ["works great"] when the alarm supplies the power, [park light flash output] it is too much current for the alarms fuse and the fuse blows,
Again, I believe you have a SPST relay, and a bad one at that, it should have worked, [even a SPST relay] if you energize the relay, 85 grounded and 12V+ from the side markers to 86, the 12V+ from the batt. connected to 30 should have connected to 87 turning on the foglights.

Let me ask you this, when you rewired them, so the fogs will come on when you turn on the lights, [side marker] will the side markers come on if you turn on just the fogs? 94

cruzin89lude

yeah, they do... upon further trials, the power from the battery can be removed from 30 and the lights still work... meaning I am in fact, just powering the fogs off the side markers.

so i need to get a new relay then. I don't know how you managed to understand my situation so clearly without seeing my car, but awesome job helping me out. I guess I can fix it now though, so thanks a lot FCM and all who helped, wrx killer too.

You know I posted this on other forums and got NOTHING, so this is why I come to honda-tech when I need real help. Thanks again!