Bserious

That's QSD's KIM adapter in the picture displaying their product. I'm sure it will soon change, or not.



http://cms.skunk2.com/id/804/H2K-Int...-Body-Adapter/

EGHATCH4YA209

Skunk2 continues its tradition of innovation by ?

Copying a product made by QSD!

Then Skunk2 tries to advertises their knock off manifold adapter with a picture of a car sporting a QSD manifold adapter on it! WTF?

They must not know that car has a QSD manifold adapter on it?

SIXTY

Wow classless. Im glad i got the original. Thanks Seth and Josh. QSD

Charlie Moua

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hum..... this is interesting....

i'm going to see what most people say..


I have my own opinion.

Salami

Not for Skunk2 in any way, but how in the hell can you tell what adapter is on the motor?


I can barely see the adapter let alone tell who made it. Am I missing something obvious in the picture?

Bserious

It's a small community as we know it... whos sporting who and who has associations with who, yada, yada. We do keep in touch.

http://cms.skunk2.com/id/657/RandomSnaps-Hangin-Out/

Salami

That answers that. I figured there was more to it since there is no way of telling what is there from that picture alone.

2fast4u831

Nice new part skunk2

flatblack-h22

maybe seth should start making cams... lolol

hella vtec yo

Skunk2 aka The Imitator not The Innovator.
QSD FTW

h22crxpwr

that other link that you posted had this (Below) from someone asking where they can get the plate.



G_money[12] Jun 22nd, 2011 @ 10:32 AMWhere can this adapter plate be purchased?

...Skunk2.com[13] Jun 22nd, 2011 @ 4:39 PMG_money, we're not sure who makes the H2K manifold adapters anymore. We believe this one came from a company called Quartersport.
.

(then they decided to make one and cash in on it too i guess) and now they have deleted that post on their site!

Bserious

They didn't have to claim anything, pictures speak louder than words. <Ha, I was able to use that saying and it really holds true.

EGHATCH4YA209

So basicaly all of skunk2's so called new product details pertaining to the manifold adapter are bassed on the QSD Quartersportsdrag.com intake manifold adapter not thier own?

Wouldnt you expect them to advertise their so called new part with a picture of a car actualy sporting their product? A part they claim to have tested? Instead they chose to post a pic of the very adapter they copied?


Quoted from Skunk2

All Skunk2 products are carefully planned and designed in-house using the latest computer simulation and modeling techniques, followed by careful testing in controlled laboratory environments using state-of-the-art equipment. Each product is then subjected to rigorous dyno, street, and race track testing to ensure proper performance in the most extreme conditions. For these reasons, top street cars and race cars worldwide rely on Skunk2 products.




So is the above quote just a bunch of BS that sounds good to customers?

Sounds to me like they did a lot of testing all right, with a quartersportsdrag.com manifold adapter.

h22crxpwr

I guess skunk found out about this post somehow..

they deleted the content in that second link that Seth posted.. hahahhahaha

not sure why they deleted it though. Seems to me they would want to leave that up..

Deleting it really makes them look guilty now.!

siregcivic

the only and last thing will ever buy from skunk 2 is my alpha 70mm throttle body..

it was awesome racing someone full throttle go to let off and the car keeps going imagine that...

shut the engine off pulled over and the plate was stuck halfway open awesome and i finally got it to close went to drive home and it got stuck halfway open whatever... finally got it home took off the throttle body took off my tps and this is what i found



wow thats pretty dope right... spend money on supposedly good product and it breaks after the first week lmfao

they used a small *** washer to hold the plate on so i put a bigger washer and fixed it myself... next time ill buy something else i tried skunk2 but never will again.. my friend bought a 68mm alpha and his did the same **** the same day junk 2 lmfao soo sad people waste their money on their product



wrong thread i know and dont care

Bserious

Did you click on the link under the picture in the first post?

Here: (more advertisement for them but oh well, just to prove a point...)

http://cms.skunk2.com/id/804/H2K-Int...-Body-Adapter/

Same car, same pic.

Bserious

Or is that publicity for us? ...lol

h22crxpwr

Damn didn't see those pics..!!!! can't believe they used it like that. no wonder they took down the pics on that other link where they were saying they thought it was a QSD adapter.. !!

doood

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R&D at junk2 means review and duplicate

h22crxpwr

Didnt see those... damn that is pretty fkd up...

using those pics.... no wonder they took down the other post they had on that link.

FlewByU352

I love the products Skunk 2 makes on paper but I hate the physical parts. Junk2 is right! They look pretty but just can't handle being used.

AM_H2B

Wow, that's pretty lame. It's funny that they have a entire blog bitching about "Copycats", then the next thing they do is screw the little guy. Way to go Skunk2!

http://cms.skunk2.com/c/45/WARNING-C...-Counterfeits/

dpine

patent on the origional?

Charlie Moua

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Seems like people posting their ramdom comments which don't offer much insight as to
why they think it's wrong/bad or right/good.


What's also important to find out is if QSD patent their product so that other companies cannot copy it without signficant differences & if the patten is only protected by law for a certain duration.



This thread is pointless unless we are trying to ask BIGGER questions such as :
Lets say that
A) QSD never patented it
B) QSD did patented their products but that "ppatend period" has now expired

1) Does allowing Company-X to make replica's of someone elses work ethically wrong with no compenstation to the orginial inveting company?

2) Should the "aftermarket honda" automotive industry have special treatment when compared to other "manufacture" industry?


Food for thought, think about......

aftermarket honda market:
Hasport vs. Innovate, place racing, AZ, ebay mounts
Full-Race ramhorn vs. all the other ones out there (lol)
Hondata vs. uberdata, crome, neptune, turbo edit ect
Skunk2 cams/IM vs. blox, replicas
Hytech/Bis/Toda vs. PLM headers lol

Parmaceutical drug: O
rginal medication vs. generic copy medication

Technology:
Apple Ipad, Iphone, Ipad, Ipod vs. all replica/comptitors

Manufacture goods:
tape (3M duck tape) vs. other brand




My take on this is that as long as Skunk2 hasn't broken any patent laws, people should not give them grief about it. Nobody ever put down blox for copying cam profiles or IM designs from Skunk2. Skunk2 did they can, the made new profile, the expanded their parts line, they changed to survive.

It's just part of the capitalistic & free market industry that manufacture companies are in. If they fail to recognize it I'm not sure what "protection" they have from their compeitors.

I'm sure seth is a great guy & he did invest a lot of personal time, money, effort into his products, but this issue is not about just Seth's efforts it's or if it's a likeable guy.

It's really about, is it fair to prevent JOE/Company X to start making parts similar to the orginal invetor/product ?


If you don't think that free markets is not a good idea for any industry then I'm not sure what to say to convince you otherwise.


I'm not defending skunk2 as a company. I would say the same thing if it was a discussion about Hondata IM gasket vs. golden eagle, blox, ANR, ebay copy IM gaksets.


Charlie Moua

DA is best

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Lol charlie always so serious :p