TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

Then the purpose of your readings of the wideband was moot. There's no point in doing anymore for these particular numbers until this is tuned. So, I guess my question is... What's the point of this analysis if it's not following a step to progression. you're not changing anything, so... where are we going with this?

creizlein

Well, if we read back the start of the thread the question was about the very little to none power gains upon switching cams, and the debate if it could be (or not) the fact that no 100% accurate cam degree was done, due the limitations into lock vtec to measure them, and the lack of hardware. But again, answers were that these Tuner Stage1 cams require no major adjustements on stock car with no modifications to the block (height wise).

Based on that, most of the suggestions came to say that the problem was the car running lean, with these readings what I discover is that the car is not lean at all, and that the current ecu is indeed making their respctive adjustments to fuel using Short and/or long trims. Otherwise how could we explain these readings? (Yes, assuming the readings are calibrated).
It could be said that the car is even running rich if you will, assuming 12.2 is not the best mix to target for max power in a NA car.

So, are we back to square 1?

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

You can't expect power gains without adjusting the tune properly regardless of what the stock ECU on a Narrow/Wide band on anything. These cams are just above the ITR which is just above what the STOCK P2T can even deal with.
So, yes, you're back at square 1 because you're going in circles.

That's why I'm saying this whole reading into the wideband numbers is MOOT, because you still can't judge these readings well enough without a tune.