K20 swap in EK Civic EX
01-23-2004, 06:23 AM
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Re: K20 swap in EK Civic EX (Austinbionic316)
custom motor mounts, custom header, custom wiring harness (probably close to $2,000) not including labor (my guess)....here you must've missed this post in the hybrid forum (read all 7 pages pls) https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=1
01-24-2004, 09:05 AM
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Re: K20 swap in EK Civic EX (Austinbionic316)
Unless you have the turbo parts already you need a custom header just to get the thing to run. You cant use the stock header from a K20 or one for a Bseries or anything else.
01-24-2004, 10:39 PM
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Re: K20 swap in EK Civic EX (JapTendencies)
but doesnt the swap come with the stock heads? cause what i wanted to do is just run the k series till i get the turbo, and the only bolt on I would get would be intake
01-25-2004, 08:14 AM
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You would need a header because the stock manifold will not clear your factory subframe.
My company hybrid racing sells them if you are interested please feel free to email me at will@hybrid-racing.com
My company hybrid racing sells them if you are interested please feel free to email me at will@hybrid-racing.com
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01-25-2004, 07:37 PM
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Hi, im actually currently swaping a K20A into a 02 civic ex. I had to get alot of extra parts like radiator, mounts, fan, and you have redo the key for the k-series. I purchased the front clip so i didnt have to worry about axiles and crossmembers. You might have to spend some money geting alot of extra parts to complete the K-series swap.
01-26-2004, 01:02 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Austinbionic316 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok so all I need is the mounts.....and Integra axles....and a special header right?
And it should bolt up with no problems?</TD></TR></TABLE>
bolt up with no problems? man, if you need to ask that question you shouldn't even undertake this project. seems like hasport and hybrid racing are going to make it easier with the mounts and the harness but it's still gonna be more difficult than a B swap. you have to cut out a hole to mount the shifter. you gotta do something about the fuel system because one is returnless. the radiator has to be figured out because the k series has outlets on the opposite side. like i said if you need to ask then it's probably too much. read up on the post in my sig.
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And it should bolt up with no problems?</TD></TR></TABLE>
bolt up with no problems? man, if you need to ask that question you shouldn't even undertake this project. seems like hasport and hybrid racing are going to make it easier with the mounts and the harness but it's still gonna be more difficult than a B swap. you have to cut out a hole to mount the shifter. you gotta do something about the fuel system because one is returnless. the radiator has to be figured out because the k series has outlets on the opposite side. like i said if you need to ask then it's probably too much. read up on the post in my sig.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stevel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
bolt up with no problems? man, if you need to ask that question you shouldn't even undertake this project. seems like hasport and hybrid racing are going to make it easier with the mounts and the harness but it's still gonna be more difficult than a B swap. you have to cut out a hole to mount the shifter. you gotta do something about the fuel system because one is returnless. the radiator has to be figured out because the k series has outlets on the opposite side. like i said if you need to ask then it's probably too much. read up on the post in my sig.
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Apparently the kits being made will not require any welding [or very minimal?] and the wiring and custom headers will be sold with the mount kits.. please correct me if I'm wrong.
bolt up with no problems? man, if you need to ask that question you shouldn't even undertake this project. seems like hasport and hybrid racing are going to make it easier with the mounts and the harness but it's still gonna be more difficult than a B swap. you have to cut out a hole to mount the shifter. you gotta do something about the fuel system because one is returnless. the radiator has to be figured out because the k series has outlets on the opposite side. like i said if you need to ask then it's probably too much. read up on the post in my sig.
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Apparently the kits being made will not require any welding [or very minimal?] and the wiring and custom headers will be sold with the mount kits.. please correct me if I'm wrong.
01-26-2004, 02:32 PM
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Well hell its gonna run me about 10grand just to get the motor and **** to fit in the damn thing..I might as well just do my old setup and put a GSR back in the EK....Hell I'll be one of the fastest Civics around here where I live and I'll be stock, but those damn GSR's Integras around here **** me off so I'll be comin fo em
01-27-2004, 05:33 AM
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Re: (Austinbionic316)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Austinbionic316 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well hell its gonna run me about 10grand just to get the motor and **** to fit in the damn thing..I might as well just do my old setup and put a GSR back in the EK....Hell I'll be one of the fastest Civics around here where I live and I'll be stock, but those damn GSR's Integras around here **** me off so I'll be comin fo em</TD></TR></TABLE>
My lightly modded EP3 walked a GSR last week... by a car ... for maybe an 1/8 mile ....
Take that 10K, save it, sell your car and buy an ep3.
My lightly modded EP3 walked a GSR last week... by a car ... for maybe an 1/8 mile ....
Take that 10K, save it, sell your car and buy an ep3.
01-27-2004, 05:46 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by taikahn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
My lightly modded EP3 walked a GSR last week... by a car ... for maybe an 1/8 mile ....
Take that 10K, save it, sell your car and buy an ep3. </TD></TR></TABLE>
that says nothing. guy could have been a shitty driver, the engine might not have been well cared for or at peak performance. I wouldn't sell an EK just for that. I say go with the EK/gsr combo.
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My lightly modded EP3 walked a GSR last week... by a car ... for maybe an 1/8 mile ....
Take that 10K, save it, sell your car and buy an ep3.
</TD></TR></TABLE>that says nothing. guy could have been a shitty driver, the engine might not have been well cared for or at peak performance. I wouldn't sell an EK just for that. I say go with the EK/gsr combo.
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01-27-2004, 05:51 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stevel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
that says nothing. guy could have been a shitty driver, the engine might not have been well cared for or at peak performance. I wouldn't sell an EK just for that. I say go with the EK/gsr combo.
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Cool. No problem.
Keep that old plastic ek interior.
that says nothing. guy could have been a shitty driver, the engine might not have been well cared for or at peak performance. I wouldn't sell an EK just for that. I say go with the EK/gsr combo.
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Cool. No problem.
Keep that old plastic ek interior.
01-27-2004, 06:03 AM
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how much less does a ek weigh compared to a ep3....was the guy originally talkin' 'bout swappin' in a 6spd a2 NOT an a3....
EDIT $10,000 is a 'lil steep estimate for a a2....but close for a jdm k20a swap in complete w/labor
$4,500 motor & tranny, est. $2,250 for mounts & harness & header, $??? for reflash of ECU (jdm R), est $1,500+ for labor unless you can get a deal at a shop, $750 for radiator & catalytic converter & other misc stuff = approximately $10,000
Modified by adirondackR at 10:37 AM 1/27/2004
EDIT $10,000 is a 'lil steep estimate for a a2....but close for a jdm k20a swap in complete w/labor
$4,500 motor & tranny, est. $2,250 for mounts & harness & header, $??? for reflash of ECU (jdm R), est $1,500+ for labor unless you can get a deal at a shop, $750 for radiator & catalytic converter & other misc stuff = approximately $10,000
Modified by adirondackR at 10:37 AM 1/27/2004
01-27-2004, 06:08 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by taikahn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Cool. No problem.
Keep that old plastic ek interior. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i think the EK interior is pretty nice, especially the 99+. you tellin me ep3's don't have plastic interiors? besides, it's a civic. who buys them for the interior?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by adirondackR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how much less does a ek weigh compared to a ep3....was the guy originally talkin' 'bout swappin' in a 6spd a2 NOT an a3....$10,000 is a 'lil steep estimate for a a2....but close for a jdm k20a swap in complete w/labor </TD></TR></TABLE>
i don't know where the hell you guys are getting your prices. I'd still do the B swap but K swaps are not that much. You can get a JDM DC5-R swap for about $4500. a k20a2 for less than $4000. It's the rest of the stuff that's gonna cost ya like mounts, radiator, wiring harness, etc.
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Cool. No problem.
Keep that old plastic ek interior.
</TD></TR></TABLE>i think the EK interior is pretty nice, especially the 99+. you tellin me ep3's don't have plastic interiors? besides, it's a civic. who buys them for the interior?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by adirondackR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how much less does a ek weigh compared to a ep3....was the guy originally talkin' 'bout swappin' in a 6spd a2 NOT an a3....$10,000 is a 'lil steep estimate for a a2....but close for a jdm k20a swap in complete w/labor
</TD></TR></TABLE>i don't know where the hell you guys are getting your prices. I'd still do the B swap but K swaps are not that much. You can get a JDM DC5-R swap for about $4500. a k20a2 for less than $4000. It's the rest of the stuff that's gonna cost ya like mounts, radiator, wiring harness, etc.
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01-27-2004, 06:34 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stevel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i think the EK interior is pretty nice, especially the 99+. you tellin me ep3's don't have plastic interiors? besides, it's a civic. who buys them for the interior?
i don't know where the hell you guys are getting your prices. I'd still do the B swap but K swaps are not that much. You can get a JDM DC5-R swap for about $4500. a k20a2 for less than $4000. It's the rest of the stuff that's gonna cost ya like mounts, radiator, wiring harness, etc.
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i bought my ep3 for the interior, I didnt like the exterior that much, the suspension compared to my previous civic sucked... BUT the interior was gorgeus, the seats perfect, A/C, power everything, sunroof, rally shifter.... ALL thse things sold me. The suspension and exterior could be "fixed".
Also the swap price into an EK is still very high.... if you think its so easy, show me the wiring harness and immobilizer info on the web?
i think the EK interior is pretty nice, especially the 99+. you tellin me ep3's don't have plastic interiors? besides, it's a civic. who buys them for the interior?
i don't know where the hell you guys are getting your prices. I'd still do the B swap but K swaps are not that much. You can get a JDM DC5-R swap for about $4500. a k20a2 for less than $4000. It's the rest of the stuff that's gonna cost ya like mounts, radiator, wiring harness, etc.
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i bought my ep3 for the interior, I didnt like the exterior that much, the suspension compared to my previous civic sucked... BUT the interior was gorgeus, the seats perfect, A/C, power everything, sunroof, rally shifter.... ALL thse things sold me. The suspension and exterior could be "fixed".
Also the swap price into an EK is still very high.... if you think its so easy, show me the wiring harness and immobilizer info on the web?
01-27-2004, 07:52 AM
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Also the swap price into an EK is still very high.... if you think its so easy, show me the wiring harness and immobilizer info on the web?</TD></TR></TABLE>
not as expensive as you may think. it's comparable to a B series, I just don't wanna be a guinea pig.
Check my sig. All the info is there. Hasport made the wiring harness and hondata has taken care of the immobilizer.
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Also the swap price into an EK is still very high.... if you think its so easy, show me the wiring harness and immobilizer info on the web?</TD></TR></TABLE>
not as expensive as you may think. it's comparable to a B series, I just don't wanna be a guinea pig.
Check my sig. All the info is there. Hasport made the wiring harness and hondata has taken care of the immobilizer.
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01-27-2004, 09:27 AM
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The EP3 weighs close to 2800 lbs just forget about that....find a cheap EK hatch shell and someone competent enough to complete the swap and you will be hauling ***...even with your coupe you will still weigh less in the end
01-27-2004, 11:14 AM
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hmm, well hell my car weighs about 2400lbs and drop a K20a in there I might see pretty good numbers...but hell since all the parts and **** is gonna run me 8 grand i'm better off with the GSR swap in my ****, this pisses me off cause Im so use to having the 6th gear, but oh poop on plastic I'll get that damn GSR again
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Austinbionic316 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmm, well hell my car weighs about 2400lbs and drop a K20a in there I might see pretty good numbers...but hell since all the parts and **** is gonna run me 8 grand i'm better off with the GSR swap in my ****, this pisses me off cause Im so use to having the 6th gear, but oh poop on plastic I'll get that damn GSR again</TD></TR></TABLE>
In the short run, yes the gsr will be cheaper. You realize the aem cai and many other intakes made over 5-6whp on a stock motor? You realize k series gains incredible amounts of power from bolt ons compared to the b series? I plan on getting a civic coupe and getting a k24 bottom / k20a2 head and going frmo there, but that won't be for at least a year so harnesses and everything will be worked out; along with the motor prices going down. And as for the dude who said JDM DC5-R motor is 4500, WHERE I'd like to know right now.
In the short run, yes the gsr will be cheaper. You realize the aem cai and many other intakes made over 5-6whp on a stock motor? You realize k series gains incredible amounts of power from bolt ons compared to the b series? I plan on getting a civic coupe and getting a k24 bottom / k20a2 head and going frmo there, but that won't be for at least a year so harnesses and everything will be worked out; along with the motor prices going down. And as for the dude who said JDM DC5-R motor is 4500, WHERE I'd like to know right now.
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