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Is a 5-lug conversion worth it?
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Re: Is a 5-lug conversion worth it?
well while i have a lot of ppl putting in input, does anyone have a pic of a thunder grey metallic teg with the white CTR wheels? I think it would look sick
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Re: Is a 5-lug conversion worth it?
Integra 11" kit $630: http://www.fastbrakes.com/ProductDet...DC+11+inch+kit
Or for $120 more you can go up to 12.2" rotors with 4-pot Wilwood calipers (requires 16" or larger wheels): http://www.fastbrakes.com/ProductDet...tegra+140+6163
Or for $120 more you can go up to 12.2" rotors with 4-pot Wilwood calipers (requires 16" or larger wheels): http://www.fastbrakes.com/ProductDet...tegra+140+6163
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Re: Is a 5-lug conversion worth it?
from TI
http://www.weaksauceparts.com/store/...at=1098&page=1
BRAKE PACKAGE COMBO 3 (POWERSLOT/HAWK HPS/EARLS/CUSCO) #17219
Total package includes:
Powerslot Slotted Rotors (front pair)
Powerslot Slotted Rotors (rear pair)
Hawk HPS front pads
Hawk HPS rear pads
Earl's Steel Braided brake lines (front/rear)
Cusco Master Cylinder Brace
This package includes front and rear slotted rotors by PowerSlot. By upgrading to slotted rotors, you help evacuate gasses and dust, shed heat, and keep the brake pad surface clean. In wet and raining conditions, the rotors help push water off the braking surface for better stopping power.
By adding Hawk Performance HPS pads to your slotted rotor upgrade, you get the best combination of brake performance for your vehicle. Hawk HPS pads are the best choice for street driven as well as weekend autocross or track day events.
Reinforcing the brake master cylinder with the Cusco MC brace will keep the firewall from flexing during frequent and/or hard braking keeping consistant brake pedal feel.
Finish off the system with Earl's Steel Braided brake lines and you'll have a responsive brake system setup for your street/track vehicle. Details Price: $575.00!!!
http://www.weaksauceparts.com/store/...at=1098&page=1
BRAKE PACKAGE COMBO 3 (POWERSLOT/HAWK HPS/EARLS/CUSCO) #17219
Total package includes:
Powerslot Slotted Rotors (front pair)
Powerslot Slotted Rotors (rear pair)
Hawk HPS front pads
Hawk HPS rear pads
Earl's Steel Braided brake lines (front/rear)
Cusco Master Cylinder Brace
This package includes front and rear slotted rotors by PowerSlot. By upgrading to slotted rotors, you help evacuate gasses and dust, shed heat, and keep the brake pad surface clean. In wet and raining conditions, the rotors help push water off the braking surface for better stopping power.
By adding Hawk Performance HPS pads to your slotted rotor upgrade, you get the best combination of brake performance for your vehicle. Hawk HPS pads are the best choice for street driven as well as weekend autocross or track day events.
Reinforcing the brake master cylinder with the Cusco MC brace will keep the firewall from flexing during frequent and/or hard braking keeping consistant brake pedal feel.
Finish off the system with Earl's Steel Braided brake lines and you'll have a responsive brake system setup for your street/track vehicle. Details Price: $575.00!!!
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Re: Is a 5-lug conversion worth it?
Rotors won't make any difference in your braking performance. They will be more resistant to cracking when used on the racetrack, but they won't reduce your stopping distances. And they won't make any difference on the street.
Stainless steel brake lines won't give you better braking performance either. Some people recommend them to improve pedal feel by reducing the flex/swelling in the brake lines. Does your brake pedal feel spongey? Mine doesn't.
This package includes front and rear slotted rotors by PowerSlot. By upgrading to slotted rotors, you help evacuate gasses and dust, shed heat, and keep the brake pad surface clean. In wet and raining conditions, the rotors help push water off the braking surface for better stopping power.
By adding Hawk Performance HPS pads to your slotted rotor upgrade, you get the best combination of brake performance for your vehicle. Hawk HPS pads are the best choice for street driven as well as weekend autocross or track day events.
Reinforcing the brake master cylinder with the Cusco MC brace will keep the firewall from flexing during frequent and/or hard braking keeping consistant brake pedal feel.
Finish off the system with Earl's Steel Braided brake lines and you'll have a responsive brake system setup for your street/track vehicle.
By adding Hawk Performance HPS pads to your slotted rotor upgrade, you get the best combination of brake performance for your vehicle. Hawk HPS pads are the best choice for street driven as well as weekend autocross or track day events.
Reinforcing the brake master cylinder with the Cusco MC brace will keep the firewall from flexing during frequent and/or hard braking keeping consistant brake pedal feel.
Finish off the system with Earl's Steel Braided brake lines and you'll have a responsive brake system setup for your street/track vehicle.
Hawk makes a variety of pads, but the HPS is NOT their high performance pad; it's their OEM replacement pad for people who are concerned about noise and dusting. (Their HP+ pad is the one for the purposes mentioned here.)
Apparently this post was written by someone's marketing department, not anyone who has actually tried these parts!
#59
Re: Is a 5-lug conversion worth it?
Brake pads can make a difference in your braking performance. Not as big a difference as tires, though. If you're already using really sticky tires, then pads can be a nice upgrade, but if you're not, they won't give you any improvement.
Rotors won't make any difference in your braking performance. They will be more resistant to cracking when used on the racetrack, but they won't reduce your stopping distances. And they won't make any difference on the street.
Stainless steel brake lines won't give you better braking performance either. Some people recommend them to improve pedal feel by reducing the flex/swelling in the brake lines. Does your brake pedal feel spongey? Mine doesn't.
Rotors won't make any difference in your braking performance. They will be more resistant to cracking when used on the racetrack, but they won't reduce your stopping distances. And they won't make any difference on the street.
Stainless steel brake lines won't give you better braking performance either. Some people recommend them to improve pedal feel by reducing the flex/swelling in the brake lines. Does your brake pedal feel spongey? Mine doesn't.
so in order of importance (for circuit racing)
#1 - tires
#2 - pads
#3 - rotors (for surface area)
#4 - SS brake lines
#5 - brake fluid
is that right?
#61
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Re: Is a 5-lug conversion worth it?
from TI
http://www.weaksauceparts.com/store/...at=1098&page=1
BRAKE PACKAGE COMBO 3 (POWERSLOT/HAWK HPS/EARLS/CUSCO) #17219
Total package includes:
Powerslot Slotted Rotors (front pair)
Powerslot Slotted Rotors (rear pair)
Hawk HPS front pads
Hawk HPS rear pads
Earl's Steel Braided brake lines (front/rear)
Cusco Master Cylinder Brace
This package includes front and rear slotted rotors by PowerSlot. By upgrading to slotted rotors, you help evacuate gasses and dust, shed heat, and keep the brake pad surface clean. In wet and raining conditions, the rotors help push water off the braking surface for better stopping power.
By adding Hawk Performance HPS pads to your slotted rotor upgrade, you get the best combination of brake performance for your vehicle. Hawk HPS pads are the best choice for street driven as well as weekend autocross or track day events.
Reinforcing the brake master cylinder with the Cusco MC brace will keep the firewall from flexing during frequent and/or hard braking keeping consistant brake pedal feel.
Finish off the system with Earl's Steel Braided brake lines and you'll have a responsive brake system setup for your street/track vehicle. Details Price: $575.00!!!
http://www.weaksauceparts.com/store/...at=1098&page=1
BRAKE PACKAGE COMBO 3 (POWERSLOT/HAWK HPS/EARLS/CUSCO) #17219
Total package includes:
Powerslot Slotted Rotors (front pair)
Powerslot Slotted Rotors (rear pair)
Hawk HPS front pads
Hawk HPS rear pads
Earl's Steel Braided brake lines (front/rear)
Cusco Master Cylinder Brace
This package includes front and rear slotted rotors by PowerSlot. By upgrading to slotted rotors, you help evacuate gasses and dust, shed heat, and keep the brake pad surface clean. In wet and raining conditions, the rotors help push water off the braking surface for better stopping power.
By adding Hawk Performance HPS pads to your slotted rotor upgrade, you get the best combination of brake performance for your vehicle. Hawk HPS pads are the best choice for street driven as well as weekend autocross or track day events.
Reinforcing the brake master cylinder with the Cusco MC brace will keep the firewall from flexing during frequent and/or hard braking keeping consistant brake pedal feel.
Finish off the system with Earl's Steel Braided brake lines and you'll have a responsive brake system setup for your street/track vehicle. Details Price: $575.00!!!
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Re: Is a 5-lug conversion worth it?
Pads and tires are both important, in different ways. I would go on the track with low-performance tires before I would go on the track with low-performance brake pads. It's not that the tires aren't important to braking performance; they are. But low-performance brake pads could fade and/or get used up quickly, so like the fluid, they become a safety issue, more so than a performance issue.
If you've never been on the track before, you'll want to get fresh fluid, preferably high-temp fluid. If you're using decent pads, i.e. stock or better for higher-performance cars, maybe something a bit better than stock for lower-performance cars, that's all you really need for your first few track events. And you can use whatever tires you use on the street. Once you start building experience, then you'll want to consider what to change, and tires and pads may both be on that list. If you have decent, fresh fluid, decent tires, and decent pads, then getting better tires will give you more of a performance upgrade than better pads. But if you're doing a lot of track driving, you probably have upgraded all three already.
The main benefit of bigger rotors isn't substantially shorter stopping distances, but heat management, i.e. avoiding ill effects like cracking or fluid boiling. Depending on what car you have, your stock rotors may be perfectly fine, even on the track. If you've done everything else and you're having issues with cracking etc, then you might consider bigger rotors. For street driving, they won't make any difference at all.
I've never found any need for stainless steel brake lines. In over 200 track events and 30,000 actual track miles, I've never had a spongey brake pedal. Ever. When race cars use SS lines, they replace them pretty often (every season or two), as there are maintenance issues with abrasion inside the lines. If you have a spongey brake pedal even with fresh fluid, you might consider them, or you might just want to replace your brake lines with new rubber lines. Again, no difference for street driving.
Last edited by nsxtasy; 07-29-2009 at 06:02 AM.
#63
Re: Is a 5-lug conversion worth it?
Dogginator said he would place fluid before pads. I would even consider placing it before tires. The reason for high-temperature fluid isn't to make your braking distances shorter; it's to keep the fluid from boiling. (Although your distances will be a lot longer if your fluid boils.) Also, regarding fluid, it's important that the fluid be reasonably fresh, as well as high-temperature, since the boiling point goes down over time as the fluid absorbs moisture. Fresh fluid, preferably high-temp fluid, is essential for track use.
Pads and tires are both important, in different ways. I would go on the track with low-performance tires before I would go on the track with low-performance brake pads. It's not that the tires aren't important to braking performance; they are. But low-performance brake pads could fade and/or get used up quickly, so like the fluid, they become a safety issue, more so than a performance issue.
If you've never been on the track before, you'll want to get fresh fluid, preferably high-temp fluid. If you're using decent pads, i.e. stock or better for higher-performance cars, maybe something a bit better than stock for lower-performance cars, that's all you really need for your first few track events. And you can use whatever tires you use on the street. Once you start building experience, then you'll want to consider what to change, and tires and pads may both be on that list. If you have decent, fresh fluid, decent tires, and decent pads, then getting better tires will give you more of a performance upgrade than better pads. But if you're doing a lot of track driving, you probably have upgraded all three already.
The main benefit of bigger rotors isn't substantially shorter stopping distances, but heat management, i.e. avoiding ill effects like cracking or fluid boiling. Depending on what car you have, your stock rotors may be perfectly fine, even on the track. If you've done everything else and you're having issues with cracking etc, then you might consider bigger rotors. For street driving, they won't make any difference at all.
I've never found any need for stainless steel brake lines. In over 200 track events and 30,000 actual track miles, I've never had a spongey brake pedal. Ever. When race cars use SS lines, they replace them pretty often (every season or two), as there are maintenance issues with abrasion inside the lines. If you have a spongey brake pedal even with fresh fluid, you might consider them, or you might just want to replace your brake lines with new rubber lines. Again, no difference for street driving.
Pads and tires are both important, in different ways. I would go on the track with low-performance tires before I would go on the track with low-performance brake pads. It's not that the tires aren't important to braking performance; they are. But low-performance brake pads could fade and/or get used up quickly, so like the fluid, they become a safety issue, more so than a performance issue.
If you've never been on the track before, you'll want to get fresh fluid, preferably high-temp fluid. If you're using decent pads, i.e. stock or better for higher-performance cars, maybe something a bit better than stock for lower-performance cars, that's all you really need for your first few track events. And you can use whatever tires you use on the street. Once you start building experience, then you'll want to consider what to change, and tires and pads may both be on that list. If you have decent, fresh fluid, decent tires, and decent pads, then getting better tires will give you more of a performance upgrade than better pads. But if you're doing a lot of track driving, you probably have upgraded all three already.
The main benefit of bigger rotors isn't substantially shorter stopping distances, but heat management, i.e. avoiding ill effects like cracking or fluid boiling. Depending on what car you have, your stock rotors may be perfectly fine, even on the track. If you've done everything else and you're having issues with cracking etc, then you might consider bigger rotors. For street driving, they won't make any difference at all.
I've never found any need for stainless steel brake lines. In over 200 track events and 30,000 actual track miles, I've never had a spongey brake pedal. Ever. When race cars use SS lines, they replace them pretty often (every season or two), as there are maintenance issues with abrasion inside the lines. If you have a spongey brake pedal even with fresh fluid, you might consider them, or you might just want to replace your brake lines with new rubber lines. Again, no difference for street driving.
hitting up a trackday Aug 3rd so I'll def invest in brake fluid and pads first! this should be stickyed.
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GSR 5 Lug Conversion
I was wondering about this, is it possible, how much would it cost, what would I need. Is there a peformance increase with it? I really just wanted to do it because my cuz has some s2000 rims laying around, and the staggered look would be fresh on a gsr, right now I have Brembo drilled rotors with only 400 miles on them so I don't know if it will be worth it, but I just want to know how much it would cost. Should I just get ITR parts?
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Re: GSR 5 Lug Conversion
sometimes you can find an itr 5 lug conversion here on h-t for around 800 bucks or so. i've seen them for less, but from what i've seen thats average.
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Re: GSR 5 Lug Conversion
the 5 lug brakes will out perform anything you can do with the gsr stockers. bigger rotors and bigger calipers. 800 is a pretty good deal but they are major theft targets
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Re: GSR 5 Lug Conversion
Integra 11" kit $630: http://www.fastbrakes.com/ProductDet...DC+11+inch+kit
Or for $120 more you can go up to 12.2" rotors with 4-pot Wilwood calipers (requires 16" or larger wheels): http://www.fastbrakes.com/ProductDet...tegra+140+6163
Or for $120 more you can go up to 12.2" rotors with 4-pot Wilwood calipers (requires 16" or larger wheels): http://www.fastbrakes.com/ProductDet...tegra+140+6163
Last edited by follie gatts; 08-27-2009 at 10:23 AM.
#73
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Re: GSR 5 Lug Conversion
that fast brake kit is SUCH a rip off, it's near the price of a full blown 5 lug conversion and anyone with even the slightest skills can create the same kit for half the money. i mean, i have one on the front of my car. total cost with ultimate pads $270