Turbo automatic obd2 integra , with ac and ps
08-04-2015, 01:22 AM
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Turbo automatic obd2 integra , with ac and ps
Honestly im impressed. When I first saw the title my initial reaction was "why? It'll go boom" but you actually have a competent setup that seems to be pretty reliable and good at what its for (consistent bracket racing) I'll be keeping an eye on this to see how it goes as you progress.
08-04-2015, 07:28 AM
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I have to say I absolutely love what you are trying to accomplish here. It seems like here lately there haven't been any unique or ground breaking builds, at least not that or noticed. What I am seeing is an increase in what I call "cookie cutter" setups. That is someone researches other setups making the same kind of power they want and then they pick and choose parts from the best examples. This project already has wolf in sheeps clothing written all over it and as you keep increasing the power it will only start pissing more people off lol.
And if I become your girlfriend would you build me a car too? haha
Honestly I think most people on here are missing the point of this experiment. It isn't designed to be fast. It's main purpose is to be quicker, more fun to drive, and consistent. That last part is especially important in the kind of heads up bracket racing she does. While I never personally embraced drag racing I have done my share of runs here and there ad I think anyone can tell you that a consistent launch (without breaking the drivetrain left and right) is easily the single most important part.
Now in regards to the methanol are you injecting pure methanol or a water/methanol blend? From your description it sounds like you have one of Snows kits correct? If it is a water/methanol blend what ratio/percentage are you using? While 50/50 is considered more stable in regards to flammability moving up to 70% methanol would raise the detonation limit even higher because then you are getting a larger octane boost and using the methanol more as a secondary supplemental fuel more than anything else while still getting some IAT lowering from the water content. Moving to pure methanol would yield better results as well.
In regards to "tuning" I don't recall if the obd2 civics had an external or internal TCU. IIRC Spawne32 or one of his friends managed to break the code used by the TCU and that allowed them to play with transmission tuning. I was thinking about boosting the auto f22a1 in my accord because despite having right under 246 on the car the transmission still behaves like it is brand new although I don't really feel like finding the limits of the trans the hard way.
Furthermore if you ever decide to move over into actually doing fuel and ignition tuning then I have the perfect solution for you. The AEM FIC..it piggybacks between the ecu and engine harness while letting you keep your stock ECU and TCU. You simply setup signal clamps on the signals entering the OEM ECU and that prevents it from ever knowing anything on the motor was changed. Using the on board MAP sensor you can then manipulate the signals leaving the ecu to control fuel and ignition settings. It can even control additional injectors and I believe control boost pressure as well. The FIC is very popular on OBD2 applications that have no available aftermarket form of factory ECU tuning while avoiding having to cut up an OEM wiring harness or going full standalone which would prevent the car from getting tagged.
I would seriously consider the FIC down the road if you ever want to reliably make more power although I have to imagine you'll find the transmission limits sooner than later. I wish HPTuners would break into the "import" market, especially with confirmation that the new turbocharged Type R will be released here in the US. We use it on our 650rwhp C6 Z06 time attack car and I absolutely love the interface and ease of use. I was also bummed that HPT doesn't support my 04 SVT Focus but they do support the 05 and up models leaving me with no options but the SCT Pro Racer software (meh), run an SAFC (even more meh haha), or go full standalone. I definitely feel that HPT could dominate a large section of the import market if they could.
I'll definitely keep an eye on your build as it has caught my interest and I can't wait too see what direction it's headed in. Keep up the hard work and ignore the **** talkers, I have a feeling this is headed for infamy
And if I become your girlfriend would you build me a car too? haha
Honestly I think most people on here are missing the point of this experiment. It isn't designed to be fast. It's main purpose is to be quicker, more fun to drive, and consistent. That last part is especially important in the kind of heads up bracket racing she does. While I never personally embraced drag racing I have done my share of runs here and there ad I think anyone can tell you that a consistent launch (without breaking the drivetrain left and right) is easily the single most important part.
Now in regards to the methanol are you injecting pure methanol or a water/methanol blend? From your description it sounds like you have one of Snows kits correct? If it is a water/methanol blend what ratio/percentage are you using? While 50/50 is considered more stable in regards to flammability moving up to 70% methanol would raise the detonation limit even higher because then you are getting a larger octane boost and using the methanol more as a secondary supplemental fuel more than anything else while still getting some IAT lowering from the water content. Moving to pure methanol would yield better results as well.
In regards to "tuning" I don't recall if the obd2 civics had an external or internal TCU. IIRC Spawne32 or one of his friends managed to break the code used by the TCU and that allowed them to play with transmission tuning. I was thinking about boosting the auto f22a1 in my accord because despite having right under 246 on the car the transmission still behaves like it is brand new although I don't really feel like finding the limits of the trans the hard way.
Furthermore if you ever decide to move over into actually doing fuel and ignition tuning then I have the perfect solution for you. The AEM FIC..it piggybacks between the ecu and engine harness while letting you keep your stock ECU and TCU. You simply setup signal clamps on the signals entering the OEM ECU and that prevents it from ever knowing anything on the motor was changed. Using the on board MAP sensor you can then manipulate the signals leaving the ecu to control fuel and ignition settings. It can even control additional injectors and I believe control boost pressure as well. The FIC is very popular on OBD2 applications that have no available aftermarket form of factory ECU tuning while avoiding having to cut up an OEM wiring harness or going full standalone which would prevent the car from getting tagged.
I would seriously consider the FIC down the road if you ever want to reliably make more power although I have to imagine you'll find the transmission limits sooner than later. I wish HPTuners would break into the "import" market, especially with confirmation that the new turbocharged Type R will be released here in the US. We use it on our 650rwhp C6 Z06 time attack car and I absolutely love the interface and ease of use. I was also bummed that HPT doesn't support my 04 SVT Focus but they do support the 05 and up models leaving me with no options but the SCT Pro Racer software (meh), run an SAFC (even more meh haha), or go full standalone. I definitely feel that HPT could dominate a large section of the import market if they could.
I'll definitely keep an eye on your build as it has caught my interest and I can't wait too see what direction it's headed in. Keep up the hard work and ignore the **** talkers, I have a feeling this is headed for infamy
Yes i have looked into the FIC however i really wanted to do something different and just try this method first. the fic would have been the cheaper route over a meth kit for sure.
i run straight meth in all my cars that have a meth kit. i dont like to use any water due to most of my cars ( this one excluded ) have such low IAT temps the water dont all flash off and can pool up in the intake and actually start taking up volume in the rear cylinders basically raising compression , meth flashes off at like 70 degrees so gets distributed allot better.
I use alky control kits as i personally feel they are the best money can buy.
as far as a agriculture pump goes, alky controls pumps are built to very high standards , they can handle straight meth for a long time and most other cant. the heart of the system is really the control module and main controller. these allow you a wide array of tuning and safety features. if you browse my channel you will find a few other videos i have done using these kits including my " how to install a meth kit and run 9s " where i put a turbo kit and meth kit on a junk yard stock 5.3 and run mid 9s in a street car. and " the benefits of alcohol injection " where i install a alky control kit on my AWD 95 civic hatch, on that set up we used a cool feature that alky controls kits have in that we was able to run 2 maps in the hondata s300 and the meth kit controlled which map was used based on if there was meth spraying or not via a pressure sensor thats built in the pump, not by if the kit was on or not, this was the ultimate safe guard in case meth ran out or a system failure the ECU would just run a less aggressive pump gas tune switching back and forth in real time.
i would love to hear more from spawn or his buddy about what they learned please direct them to me. i would love to figure out a way to increase line pressure even if just slightly.
yes i love HP tuners it took me a while to adjust to it being used to neptune and hondata but now i wish they offered more makes and models.
i really hope this exhaust up grade we are doing soon helps it wake up even more off the line, the 60ft coming down a little will go a long way to getting this thing into the 14s.
08-04-2015, 08:07 AM
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Spawn32 left this site a while ago. He may lurk on a rare occasion, but otherwise don't expect any further feedback. His past threads should put you in the direction you'd like to continue with.
Interesting build...
Interesting build...
08-04-2015, 09:04 AM
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Re: Turbo automatic obd2 integra , with ac and ps
I did a lot of bracket racing for about 10yrs. It's not being fast that matters but pure consistency and reaction time. The auto will certainly give her the reaction time but turbo cars tend to be inconsistent especially if racing starts at 5pm @ 90degrees and ends at midnight @ 70degrees. Just curious if you have some type of plan for temp changes? I ran a carb so it was a matter of changing pills for temp changes
08-04-2015, 12:57 PM
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Honestly if you use HP Tuners then you know how much it sucks. EFI Live is a much better system to use. The problem with EFI Live is it isn't very user friendly when compared to HP Tuners because it comes from New Zealand or something. 
Plus most people are naturally cheap so they gravitate towards the cheaper stuff. HP Tuners is definitely behind the times. Every time I open it up I feel like I take a step backwards from even Hondata. Oh, just because I had some of my tuning stuff out (getting ready to tune another car) I decided to snap a picture just so you know I am not full of it...
Plus most people are naturally cheap so they gravitate towards the cheaper stuff. HP Tuners is definitely behind the times. Every time I open it up I feel like I take a step backwards from even Hondata. Oh, just because I had some of my tuning stuff out (getting ready to tune another car) I decided to snap a picture just so you know I am not full of it...
08-04-2015, 09:20 PM
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Re: Turbo automatic obd2 integra , with ac and ps
Why not slap in a 190LPH pump and use an FMU? In the end you could use much less meth, probably do a 50/50 mix, and be cheaper w/o worrying about draining the meth at a bad time. I recall a GSR turbo my brother had a while back with just an FMU. It lasted til the next owner turned the boost up.
I'd certainly recommend turning the boost down to 4psi after you get the bigger exhaust on it. It will drastically change AFR's and what the motor can tolerate for timing. I'd almost say keep the pea-shooter exhaust.
In any case, bringing a car down nearly 3 seconds with minimal tuning is not bad at all. Even better if it's consistent considering it's a bracket racer.
I'd certainly recommend turning the boost down to 4psi after you get the bigger exhaust on it. It will drastically change AFR's and what the motor can tolerate for timing. I'd almost say keep the pea-shooter exhaust.
In any case, bringing a car down nearly 3 seconds with minimal tuning is not bad at all. Even better if it's consistent considering it's a bracket racer.
08-04-2015, 11:31 PM
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Hmmmm... speaking of Hondata, have you considered finding one of the old "Stage" systems and tune it like any other car ???
I have tuned two auto Tegs over the years... a '92 and a '97. Both were making in the neighborhood of 230 wheel HP and better than 200 ft/lbs. The engines performed flawlessly... no failures there. The transmissions performed like normal as well initially, although I did warn both customers that I doubted that either would survive long term if they abused them. The DA was killed in an accident six weeks after completion - a woman doing her make-up ran a red light and buried her car in the passenger side door of the DA. The DC owner lunched three transmissions before essentially giving up and "moth-balling" the car. I only tuned the car, so we never collaborated on solutions to help the transmission survive. I haven't heard from him in years, so I am unsure if he gave up or not. Last I heard he was trying to convince Level10 to strengthen the trans and modify his torque converter.
If you need help finding one of those dinosaurs for tuning purposes... hit me up. I think I may still have one or two.
I have tuned two auto Tegs over the years... a '92 and a '97. Both were making in the neighborhood of 230 wheel HP and better than 200 ft/lbs. The engines performed flawlessly... no failures there. The transmissions performed like normal as well initially, although I did warn both customers that I doubted that either would survive long term if they abused them. The DA was killed in an accident six weeks after completion - a woman doing her make-up ran a red light and buried her car in the passenger side door of the DA. The DC owner lunched three transmissions before essentially giving up and "moth-balling" the car. I only tuned the car, so we never collaborated on solutions to help the transmission survive. I haven't heard from him in years, so I am unsure if he gave up or not. Last I heard he was trying to convince Level10 to strengthen the trans and modify his torque converter.
If you need help finding one of those dinosaurs for tuning purposes... hit me up. I think I may still have one or two.
08-05-2015, 04:05 AM
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I'm not too well versed in Honda auto trans, but when I was building my VQ35 A32 Infiniti chassis back in the day I kept the stock auto for a while and did very well with just a few changes. The first was to delete the line output signal converter so the trans ran its full line pressure at all times. This firmed the shifts beyond belief. This obviously creates a lot more heat than factory though, so a large external cooler with fan was added. At this point, the only other item that was touched was the stock torque converter, which was ditched in favor of a high-stall unit from IPT (Import Performance Transmissions) and that was the last thing I touched on the auto. It lasted two track seasons making over 250hp/tq and never gave any issues. Granted this trans was designed for a V6 so probably a little more stout to begin with, but I still highly doubt a 96 Nissan 4 speed auto for their fwd sedans was any kind of a performance beast compared to your Acura box. For anything trans related though, IPT is definitely worth checking out as they do great work with FWD autos.
08-05-2015, 05:40 AM
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Hmmmm... speaking of Hondata, have you considered finding one of the old "Stage" systems and tune it like any other car ???
I have tuned two auto Tegs over the years... a '92 and a '97. Both were making in the neighborhood of 230 wheel HP and better than 200 ft/lbs. The engines performed flawlessly... no failures there. The transmissions performed like normal as well initially, although I did warn both customers that I doubted that either would survive long term if they abused them. The DA was killed in an accident six weeks after completion - a woman doing her make-up ran a red light and buried her car in the passenger side door of the DA. The DC owner lunched three transmissions before essentially giving up and "moth-balling" the car. I only tuned the car, so we never collaborated on solutions to help the transmission survive. I haven't heard from him in years, so I am unsure if he gave up or not. Last I heard he was trying to convince Level10 to strengthen the trans and modify his torque converter.
If you need help finding one of those dinosaurs for tuning purposes... hit me up. I think I may still have one or two.
I have tuned two auto Tegs over the years... a '92 and a '97. Both were making in the neighborhood of 230 wheel HP and better than 200 ft/lbs. The engines performed flawlessly... no failures there. The transmissions performed like normal as well initially, although I did warn both customers that I doubted that either would survive long term if they abused them. The DA was killed in an accident six weeks after completion - a woman doing her make-up ran a red light and buried her car in the passenger side door of the DA. The DC owner lunched three transmissions before essentially giving up and "moth-balling" the car. I only tuned the car, so we never collaborated on solutions to help the transmission survive. I haven't heard from him in years, so I am unsure if he gave up or not. Last I heard he was trying to convince Level10 to strengthen the trans and modify his torque converter.
If you need help finding one of those dinosaurs for tuning purposes... hit me up. I think I may still have one or two.
08-06-2015, 02:25 PM
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Re: Turbo automatic obd2 integra , with ac and ps
I must be weird because I like HPTuners lol, maybe the tuning experience is better becaus we use it on an NA C6Z06 time attack car. I could see the less supported platforms having issues. Unfortunately I'm stuck with SCT and their "Pro Racer" software for tuning my SVT Focus... My biggest gripe is SCT won't give you screenshots of the software or a demo version to see what sort of capabilities it has and what the GUI looks like. So basically you're spending 350 on a tuning solution and don't really know what you're getting.
Fords little 3 year low volume run bastard child uses a goofy Visteon ecu with a PowerPC processor like late model Ford CAN PCMs but uses the older, painfully slow, and limited J1850PWM protocol. Le sigh.
Back on topic, exactly how much methanol are you injecting? Depending on volume I might have a lead on a much more appropriate, durable, high pressure, purpose built methanol injection pump.
Fords little 3 year low volume run bastard child uses a goofy Visteon ecu with a PowerPC processor like late model Ford CAN PCMs but uses the older, painfully slow, and limited J1850PWM protocol. Le sigh.
Back on topic, exactly how much methanol are you injecting? Depending on volume I might have a lead on a much more appropriate, durable, high pressure, purpose built methanol injection pump.
08-06-2015, 03:16 PM
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Would also be curious as to the amount of meth it takes to keep a setup like that safe. And Wantboost as for the SVTF, pretty sure Diablo still offers the CM Revolution for tuning the Focus ecu. It's been a long time since I've had mine, but from what I remember back in the day that was easier to use than the SCT Pro Racer. Less math lol.
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well we stuck on a after market 2.5 inch exhaust today and boost is now 7 psi. it def spools faster, i did have to add a little more meth as well to keep AFRs where i want so thats a good sign that its breathing better. ( boost went up 1 psi on its own with the exhaust i didnt have to adjust it ) we go to the track next friday and the dyno at the end of the month just to see what its making.
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Diablosport is all handhelds which suck donkey dick, especially on boosted applications which my SVT will be turbocharged with a built head, bigger cams, VCT delete, etc. The only thing I like about the Pro Racer software is it's laptop based which makes tuning way easier. I'm trying to see if I can get someone to email me a copy of the software lol.
So how much methanol are you running? The big problem with the standard glorified diaphragm pump is when running large nozzles they don't produce enough system pressure when you factor in pressure drop across the nozzle to properly atomize the mixture. Coolingmist has released a line of high atomization nozzles which are kicking every other companies nozzles in tests but it still just bandaids the pump problem.
I'm giving serious consideration to having a small dedicated fuel system with one or more fuel injectors to inject pure methanol then use a standard injection "kit" to handle the water side. The pros are much more precise control of methanol quantity and superior atomization. Obviously there's an additional cost but if you know where to buy components and do the work yourself it's fairly cheap. It does add some complexity to tuning and would require a full standalone but the one I'm using can control the additional injectors and fuel map with ease.
I still really want to see photos of this setup.
So how much methanol are you running? The big problem with the standard glorified diaphragm pump is when running large nozzles they don't produce enough system pressure when you factor in pressure drop across the nozzle to properly atomize the mixture. Coolingmist has released a line of high atomization nozzles which are kicking every other companies nozzles in tests but it still just bandaids the pump problem.
I'm giving serious consideration to having a small dedicated fuel system with one or more fuel injectors to inject pure methanol then use a standard injection "kit" to handle the water side. The pros are much more precise control of methanol quantity and superior atomization. Obviously there's an additional cost but if you know where to buy components and do the work yourself it's fairly cheap. It does add some complexity to tuning and would require a full standalone but the one I'm using can control the additional injectors and fuel map with ease.
I still really want to see photos of this setup.
08-08-2015, 05:56 AM
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call alky control, tell him craig from PA sent you. he will explain his set ups. i have used his at over 1000 HP with just 2 nozzles and pump gas.
UPDATE. got to do a small race and see where we stand with the new exhaust and 7 psi.
UPDATE. got to do a small race and see where we stand with the new exhaust and 7 psi.
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UPDATE!!
we got to the track yesterday. only changes are full 2.5 inch exhaust , boost went to 7 psi from 6 on its own. also now makes almost a full psi on the line on the foot brake. weather was very hot and muggy so we think it will go even faster when cooler air is around. any way here is the time slip. the car runs and drives like stock and is really fun. to go from 18s to 14s and can over 23 mph as well is awesome my GF is very happy with the car now.it now traps 3 mph more in the 1/8th then it used to in the 1/4 !!
we got to the track yesterday. only changes are full 2.5 inch exhaust , boost went to 7 psi from 6 on its own. also now makes almost a full psi on the line on the foot brake. weather was very hot and muggy so we think it will go even faster when cooler air is around. any way here is the time slip. the car runs and drives like stock and is really fun. to go from 18s to 14s and can over 23 mph as well is awesome my GF is very happy with the car now.it now traps 3 mph more in the 1/8th then it used to in the 1/4 !!
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UPDATE.
Last night we went 14.8 at 97 no changes to car just better weather. Dyno session is monday will report back with HP numbers.
Last night we went 14.8 at 97 no changes to car just better weather. Dyno session is monday will report back with HP numbers.
08-22-2015, 02:11 PM
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What were your 60' times? I'm guessing the car at this point is probably capable of 2.0Xs if you can build a little boost off the line. With those ETs and traps I'd guesstimate your making around 190ish whp.
08-24-2015, 11:41 PM
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This thread was a great read... It's fun to see more tinkering with Hondas and the ideas behind it, and I got really excited just because I thought nobody else cared about daily driven, fuel economical turbo Honda with A/C, auto trans and running trouble free.
I did a similar thing but with an Acura 1.6EL and D16Y8 and AT and boost. It's actually my mom's car, or a car that stays within the family, and anyone could drive it if needed. I still have the car to this current day, and I drive it from time to time if I need to go downtown, or if I knew the drive was going to be shitty in traffic!
At the earlier stages (this does go way back in '98, so bear with me..lol) with a VAFC and an SDS additional injector controller. Mid stage (around '01-08) I had the typical E-manage Blue and missing link and two additional injectors (controlled by E-manage). It did well, and the car literally was daily driven like this for about 200000km. About every 80000km, it would eat up one transmission. It had 3 transmissions over the course of its life (nominal power at 180-190 WHP with JRSC + Toyota CT12 turbo) and 1/4mile time of high 14's as well.
Later stage since then, I have been running a dual ECU setup. I made a basic parallel harness so I could run an OBD-I chipped ECU for tuning, but kept the factory stock OBD-II ECU running with no codes (it passes local E-test via OBD-II port). There is a few relays to fool the stock ECU so it doesn't throw codes for injector and coil, and separate 3-Bar MAP/ECT/IAT sensor wired to the OBD-I ECU. The car drives like any other tuned and chipped P28, full control of everything. I was also able to integrate an AT shift-retard with ECTune and used the 2-step function (RPM/TPS based) so that whenever the transmission shifts at WOT, it does a 25 deg timing drop and a soft cut whenever TPS is above 85% and over 7000RPM. That literally saved my transmission and doubled its life and I am still on the same auto trans since then (car has 345000kms now).
I'd Just thought I would share! If anyone is interested in more info, just PM me so it won't clutter up this thread.
My 1.6EL's setup is a stock D16Y8, Jackson Racing SC @ 7 PSI and a GT2860R @ 10 PSI (compounded at 17 PSI). Power is sitting at 205 WHP and 180 WTQ through 2.5" downpipe, Vibrant 2.5" metal core cat, 2.5" piping and a USDM ITR muffler
I did a similar thing but with an Acura 1.6EL and D16Y8 and AT and boost. It's actually my mom's car, or a car that stays within the family, and anyone could drive it if needed. I still have the car to this current day, and I drive it from time to time if I need to go downtown, or if I knew the drive was going to be shitty in traffic!
At the earlier stages (this does go way back in '98, so bear with me..lol) with a VAFC and an SDS additional injector controller. Mid stage (around '01-08) I had the typical E-manage Blue and missing link and two additional injectors (controlled by E-manage). It did well, and the car literally was daily driven like this for about 200000km. About every 80000km, it would eat up one transmission. It had 3 transmissions over the course of its life (nominal power at 180-190 WHP with JRSC + Toyota CT12 turbo) and 1/4mile time of high 14's as well.
Later stage since then, I have been running a dual ECU setup. I made a basic parallel harness so I could run an OBD-I chipped ECU for tuning, but kept the factory stock OBD-II ECU running with no codes (it passes local E-test via OBD-II port). There is a few relays to fool the stock ECU so it doesn't throw codes for injector and coil, and separate 3-Bar MAP/ECT/IAT sensor wired to the OBD-I ECU. The car drives like any other tuned and chipped P28, full control of everything. I was also able to integrate an AT shift-retard with ECTune and used the 2-step function (RPM/TPS based) so that whenever the transmission shifts at WOT, it does a 25 deg timing drop and a soft cut whenever TPS is above 85% and over 7000RPM. That literally saved my transmission and doubled its life and I am still on the same auto trans since then (car has 345000kms now).
I'd Just thought I would share! If anyone is interested in more info, just PM me so it won't clutter up this thread.
My 1.6EL's setup is a stock D16Y8, Jackson Racing SC @ 7 PSI and a GT2860R @ 10 PSI (compounded at 17 PSI). Power is sitting at 205 WHP and 180 WTQ through 2.5" downpipe, Vibrant 2.5" metal core cat, 2.5" piping and a USDM ITR muffler
08-25-2015, 02:44 AM
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It wouldn't HAVE to be a mix. Some people do run straight meth just for the true octane increase. Some people run straight water as well just to help stave off pre-ignition. (Detonation). Most however run a mixture of both to get the attributes of both. The pump would be the last thing I would allow to choose my mix lol. Engine > meth pump
08-25-2015, 02:47 AM
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Re: Turbo automatic obd2 integra , with ac and ps
This thread was a great read... It's fun to see more tinkering with Hondas and the ideas behind it, and I got really excited just because I thought nobody else cared about daily driven, fuel economical turbo Honda with A/C, auto trans and running trouble free.
I did a similar thing but with an Acura 1.6EL and D16Y8 and AT and boost. It's actually my mom's car, or a car that stays within the family, and anyone could drive it if needed. I still have the car to this current day, and I drive it from time to time if I need to go downtown, or if I knew the drive was going to be shitty in traffic!
At the earlier stages (this does go way back in '98, so bear with me..lol) with a VAFC and an SDS additional injector controller. Mid stage (around '01-08) I had the typical E-manage Blue and missing link and two additional injectors (controlled by E-manage). It did well, and the car literally was daily driven like this for about 200000km. About every 80000km, it would eat up one transmission. It had 3 transmissions over the course of its life (nominal power at 180-190 WHP with JRSC + Toyota CT12 turbo) and 1/4mile time of high 14's as well.
Later stage since then, I have been running a dual ECU setup. I made a basic parallel harness so I could run an OBD-I chipped ECU for tuning, but kept the factory stock OBD-II ECU running with no codes (it passes local E-test via OBD-II port). There is a few relays to fool the stock ECU so it doesn't throw codes for injector and coil, and separate 3-Bar MAP/ECT/IAT sensor wired to the OBD-I ECU. The car drives like any other tuned and chipped P28, full control of everything. I was also able to integrate an AT shift-retard with ECTune and used the 2-step function (RPM/TPS based) so that whenever the transmission shifts at WOT, it does a 25 deg timing drop and a soft cut whenever TPS is above 85% and over 7000RPM. That literally saved my transmission and doubled its life and I am still on the same auto trans since then (car has 345000kms now).
I'd Just thought I would share! If anyone is interested in more info, just PM me so it won't clutter up this thread.
My 1.6EL's setup is a stock D16Y8, Jackson Racing SC @ 7 PSI and a GT2860R @ 10 PSI (compounded at 17 PSI). Power is sitting at 205 WHP and 180 WTQ through 2.5" downpipe, Vibrant 2.5" metal core cat, 2.5" piping and a USDM ITR muffler
I did a similar thing but with an Acura 1.6EL and D16Y8 and AT and boost. It's actually my mom's car, or a car that stays within the family, and anyone could drive it if needed. I still have the car to this current day, and I drive it from time to time if I need to go downtown, or if I knew the drive was going to be shitty in traffic!
At the earlier stages (this does go way back in '98, so bear with me..lol) with a VAFC and an SDS additional injector controller. Mid stage (around '01-08) I had the typical E-manage Blue and missing link and two additional injectors (controlled by E-manage). It did well, and the car literally was daily driven like this for about 200000km. About every 80000km, it would eat up one transmission. It had 3 transmissions over the course of its life (nominal power at 180-190 WHP with JRSC + Toyota CT12 turbo) and 1/4mile time of high 14's as well.
Later stage since then, I have been running a dual ECU setup. I made a basic parallel harness so I could run an OBD-I chipped ECU for tuning, but kept the factory stock OBD-II ECU running with no codes (it passes local E-test via OBD-II port). There is a few relays to fool the stock ECU so it doesn't throw codes for injector and coil, and separate 3-Bar MAP/ECT/IAT sensor wired to the OBD-I ECU. The car drives like any other tuned and chipped P28, full control of everything. I was also able to integrate an AT shift-retard with ECTune and used the 2-step function (RPM/TPS based) so that whenever the transmission shifts at WOT, it does a 25 deg timing drop and a soft cut whenever TPS is above 85% and over 7000RPM. That literally saved my transmission and doubled its life and I am still on the same auto trans since then (car has 345000kms now).
I'd Just thought I would share! If anyone is interested in more info, just PM me so it won't clutter up this thread.
My 1.6EL's setup is a stock D16Y8, Jackson Racing SC @ 7 PSI and a GT2860R @ 10 PSI (compounded at 17 PSI). Power is sitting at 205 WHP and 180 WTQ through 2.5" downpipe, Vibrant 2.5" metal core cat, 2.5" piping and a USDM ITR muffler
08-25-2015, 03:15 AM
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Re: Turbo automatic obd2 integra , with ac and ps
I'm pretty sure Tony knows twincharging better than anyone on this forum. Im sure there's a good reason for it (other than just fun? lol).
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UPDATE:
got on the dyno and was around 180 hp added a little boost and now at 205, went 14.6 at almost 100 mph . video shows it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8xj...ature=youtu.be
got on the dyno and was around 180 hp added a little boost and now at 205, went 14.6 at almost 100 mph . video shows it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8xj...ature=youtu.be
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Re: Turbo automatic obd2 integra , with ac and ps
Off topic, but I'm curious if you still have your awd eg? Its one of my favorite cars I've seen put together. 10s on street tires is badass! I watched a lot of your YouTube videos and really got a lot of info from them. Thanks and keep up the good work!