paulzy

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Anybody interested? Will be January 18-19th 2004

The seminar will be held at Elite Autosports in Minneapolis, MN?

http://www.elite-autosport.com

Modified by Paul_Vang at 9:47 PM 8/13/2003


Modified by Paul_Vang at 10:06 AM 9/8/2003

diearzte2

I might be able to be there for that. Any idea on cost or anything like that. Also, where exactly is Elite? I know my friends know, cause they just had a RX-7 Dynoed there (150 whp baby!) but does anyone have an address?

Rob Dizzle

you will need to get some other shops in your area interested and get them signed up.

You need 10 paid people to do it, and its not that easy because people would rather buy more go fast parts compared to learning how to tune.

paulzy

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yeh, I'm trying....I'm aiming for the Chitown people to come. I've talked to Earl already. He's down with it if we get the people.

I will get an address for Elite soon, for some reason, they aren't coming up in teh questdex page

SIXTYdashONE

Paul , get your lazy behind over to NJ, hehe... jk, this is an excellent chance for everyone up there, Do your best to make it work...

paulzy

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Thanks Ron, I'd love to come to NJ, but you know how it is...if teh woman says no, then it s no

SIXTYdashONE

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No, i dont know, maybe thats why i dont have a woman, hahahah

Adi Radoncic

Paul,

If you can get one going in MN I will be there a 100% of the way...
NJ is just too much hassle to go out to and get a hotel for....

Adi

Drag_On

I'll send my money today.. Let me know the date... The earlier in the year the better..

Earl, Ben -- make this happen...

paulzy

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I'm aiming for Jan. 17-18, but will have to be checked with Ben and Earl's schedule first.

Ron, you're funny bro

so far we have 3 people then...

me, Jeff, and Adi

guys, IM your full names and H-T names so I can throw them on my notepad

SIXTYdashONE

Good Luck with the seminar Paul, BTW, if you have any questions on any procedures or ideas, dont be afraid to ask, maybe i could come to this also and help out.

paulzy

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I will bro....

I'd be really happy if all of us regulars showed up mang. We'd paint Minneapolis Red....

SIXTYdashONE

Ill see what happens with this NJ one first, hehe

diearzte2

Any idea on price? I might be able to get some more people interested.

On another note, does Elite tune Hondata ?

paulzy

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yeah, they tune Hondata...they are also autorized to sell and instll them too.

The price is $300 and it's worth it's weight in gold(information)

senpai

Well, if you get enough people, then let me know. As of now, I'm a *maybe*

paulzy

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nobody in teh upper midwest wants to learn how to install, setup, and tune standalone systems?

paulzy

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here's the course syllabus:

Below is the outline for Ben Strader’s EFI Tuning Seminar

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I. What is Tuning?
A) Calibrating an engine via Laptop
B) Creating a program that allows the engine to function in a certain manner consistent with the desired application
C) The process of testing and rearranging the files in a table that commands engine functions of a given nature

II. Why do we tune?
A) Maximum performance
1. power, torque
B) Drive-ability
C) Fuel Economy
D) Throttle response
E) Ambient conditions change
1. altitude
2. temperature
3. fuel quality

III. What things in a calibration can we tune?
A) Main fuel tables
B) Main Ignition Tables
C) Boost Tables
D) Idle Settings
E) Rev Limiters

IV. What kinds of Modifier Tables do we tune?
A) Cold Start Extra Fuel
B) Cold Start Extra Fuel Time limits
C) Warm-Up Ignition Tables
D) Warm Up extra Idle speeds
E) Acceleration Enrichment
F) Deceleration Fuel Cut
G) Altitude and Temp Correction
H) Battery Voltage Compensation

V. What Kind of A/F Ratio does the Engine want?
A) Idle
B) Part Throttle Light load
C) Part Throttle Heavy load
D) Full Throttle N/A
E) Full Throttle under Boost
F) Transient Throttle Accelerating
G) Transient Throttle Decelerating
H) Injection Timing Relative to crank position

VI. How Do I know how much Ignition Timing the Engine Wants?
A) Idle
B) Part Throttle light load
C) Part Throttle Heavy Load
D) Full Throttle N/A
E) Full Throttle under Boost
F) Transient Throttle

VII. How to read the Engine’s tell-tale signs of performance
A) Spark Plug color on porcelain
B) Spark Plug color on ground strap
C) Piston color on top
D) Exhaust pipe color
E) How does it sound
F) How does it feel

VIII. Dyno Tuning or Road Tuning; Which is better?
A) Dyno provides accurate readings
B) Dyno is a safe, controlled environment
C) Road or track tuning can be different than dyno
D) Dyno won’t provide every situation like atmospheric conditions
E) USE BOTH FOR THE BEST TUNE

IX. Tools of the Trade
A) Dyno
B) A/F Meter
C) Infrared Temp Gun
D) Spark Plug Light
E) Standard Test Light
F) Self Powered Test Light
G) DVOM
H) Oscilloscope for experts

X. Auxiliary Functions
A) VTEC Solenoid
B) IAC Valves
C) Nitrous Solenoids
D) Boost Solenoids
E) 2 Step Rev Limiter
F) Anti-Lag Function
G) Traction Control

XI. Fundamentals of Wiring
A) What size wire to use?
B) Solder or crimp ?
C) Use a relay or not?
D) Covering your wires
E) Making solid connections with solder
F) Making solid connections with crimpers
G) Using the correct connectors

XII. Tuning process from Start to Finish
A) What Octane will the engine run normally?
B) Is this the same octane that will be calibrated with?
C) What is the compression ratio?
D) Turbo, Supercharger, Nitrous, or N/A
E) Setting Fuel Pressure
F) Getting Started and Running
G) Set Mechanical Base Timing
H) Tune Engine to Idle properly after warm-up
I) Tune No-Load RPM sites
J) Tune No-Load Accel Enrich sites
K) Begin Part load tuning
L) Begin Moderate to heavy load tuning
M) Full Load tuning
N) Review data logs and power graphs
O) Make necessary changes
P) Street or Track testing and tuning

diearzte2

So do we have a definate date then? I wasnt expecting 300 for a seminar, but I will see if I can come up with enough. If we have a definate date, I can probably start spreading the word at SThree (another store west of the cities), Im sure I could generate some interest.

P.S. How much do they charge for Hondata installs? Do they have ECU's there for sale? I need an OBD1 Computer for my B18C1.

paulzy

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the date is January 17-18

Let me tell you bro....and others that have gone to the seminar can also attest that $300 is not near enough for the knowledge you get in return.

I'm not sure about the hondata stuff form Elite...you can call them at 612-521-0550

SIXTYdashONE

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At first i wasnt either, i thought it would be like $500.. This is cheap, This type of knowledge cant be taught by just anyone.. Besides, If i was interested in learning soemthing, i'd prefer to learn from one of the best..

badCRX

Put me in your notes.

Adi, we'll have to get together on hotel reservations as this nears.

Let me know when payment will be due.

senpai

Ok, sometimes I am a person that tends to forget things. If I'm paying $300, then I want to remember the stuff. Do we get like a binder of information, or do I have to take notes?

P.S. I hate taking notes

TomO

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P.S. How much do they charge for Hondata installs? Do they have ECU's there for sale? I need an OBD1 Computer for my B18C1.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry Paul, don't mean to ***** your thread....But when do we need to let you know if we can make this? I might be able to get up $300 by Jan.

Diearzte2, I have an OBDI GSR ECU if you are interested, pm me.

paulzy

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the first 10 people to get $300 in my hands will get a seat for sure...I have to talk Ben about how many people max.....

I will dig up hotel info you guys...