ben.s

Hola H-T,

I'm currently planning a 1000 horsepower GSR build. This will be my first time doing anything of the such, I figured I'd get it started on here so when I need help I'll have it available.

After blowing a rod through my block, my goal is to make this thing essentially indestructible. (Currently swapping motors from my 98 to my 2000 at the moment.) So what I would like to start with is a Dart block and sleeve it with Darton MID's.

I have a couple questions before I continue to plan the build. Aiming for this much HP I'm unsure whether I should aim for low compression or high compression expecting to use at the very least 35+ lb's of boost... but with a build block like that I'd be able to rock the high compression for more power, right?

Also, I've been told I will need to build the transmission, that beefier axles won't be enough.. I don't feel like getting into all of that so my plan is to pay somebody to do that, what exactly would need done with this?

Thanks,

Ben.

TomCat39

1000 HP car sounds like a drag race car.

I can move this thread into that section as you may likely get a better response there.

This section is more about the machine work of the build, not the build itself.

Or if you know whether you will be Forced Induction or Naturally Aspirated would also prove fruitful.

With 1000 HP goal, I assume Forced Induction and that section would also prove more in line with your thread and net some good feedback.

Let me know if you want this thread in Drag or Forced Induction as this section isn't quite right for it.

ben.s

Will be forced induction, if you could move it please, Id greatly appreciate it. Thank you, Tom.

- Ben

king06

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84x89
cp piston with upgraded pins
aluminum rods
some port work
ferrea valve train
pro1? cam
Depending on fuel, huge or multiple injectors
t4 manifold
72mm turbo?
Coil on plug
A2W intercooler

ppg gearset
liberty housing
SpeedFactory scha
triple disk
5.9/pro axles

That's what I see people run anyways, pretty much money.

turbohatch96y7

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Lol

wantboost

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Dart blocks are already sleeved...

That one statement alone tells me this is a pipe dream.

wunfstgsr

Geis

rofl

wantboost

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A 4 digit horsepower "street" civic would be the dumbest thing on earth and entirely pointless to drive on the street.

You'd have to run something like a 26" or bigger slick with serious suspension work to even have a hope of hooking in any gear at any rpm. Then there's the fact that a turbo big enough to support those goals wouldn't be making real power till about 7,000rpm give or take so it would be incredibly slow compared to even the slowest of street cars until you reach third gear. By that point even a 350hp civic with a properly sized turbo would be in the next zipcode before you even start making power. Not to mention how boring it would be to drive.

You'd be in vacuum 99% of the time on the street because you simply don't have enough road to use the power, not to mention by the time you're making decent power you'd already be traveling fast enough to get arrested and you couldn't go around driving like a jackass on the street with that much power, it's just asking for trouble, usually the personal injury kind.

Pack your dreams up because they are utterly pointless.

ben.s

Yes I know, doesn't mean I'll trust them.

King06, your post is helpful and isn't belittling, so thank you.

By street I'm not talking about street racing, but if I wanted to, it'd be possible. I want it to be drivable though.

You guys take life way too seriously, instead of talking down to people maybe you could just assist in their questions.

TheShodan

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Not if the questions are impractical, unrealistic, and highly improbable.

This forum unfortunately isn't a love-fest, where joy-joy feelings are inspired around you. It's technical forum. Think Dr.Jekyell, Dr. House, and the Isle of Dr. Moreau all in one.

There's a reason why your questions are not being answered. Its because they CANNOT be answered in any way shape or form, both as an application and conceptually.

1000hp, "streetable", "Driveable" does not exist in 4 cylinder world. this is why your questions are being answered. They're giving you a chance to reverse the clock a little, and self-reflect a bit more on what you're really trying to do without implying that the people answering have to be clairvoyant.

Its not belittling, its not condescending, its just a short-cut from the pleasantries to tell you the truth.

Sorry if life seems to hurt..

ben.s

Pretty sure it's possible to have multiple tunes for multiple applications. For track, for street. Quite a few people rocking 850+ HP 4-bangers on here, still not understanding why I am getting flamed.

Again, anything is possible.

TheShodan

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Ok. This is the last response I think anyone will make regarding your requests in a practical and relaxed manner.. There are more than just "tunes" that give multiple boost pressures to have the power you're looking for. Unfortunately, NO amount of tunes is going to change the behaviour of a Honda Civic that you're trying to build. If there were, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all, and you'd be either given an entire list of what components and settings that you need to have in order to do it, or you'd have been able to find your list and steps yourself with a bit of time and research.

Many people are rocking 850+ HP "4 bangers" on here.. NONE of them are doing what you're "thinking" is a good idea to occur and to consist of ALL 4 conditions you're asking for.

Those that DO run 850whp+ "4 bangers" have income and resources that make them the 0.5%er to make the power and utility necessary to satisfy about 2 of the 4 things you're asking for, and one of them certainly isn't "driveability". And even then, they're not coming to a forum to ask the all-knowing questions of "how to do it" as though its simply a cookie-cutter formula in which it is easily repeatable with a reasonable budget... (hell, even a Higher-than-reasonable budget) in mind, answered by Obi-Wan Kenobi.

This isn't about being an ***, or "flaming", or saying you're crazy (well.. most of it isn't about that, anyway ). This inquiry is being dismissed because of the form in which it is being asked. Those same 0.5%ers aren't online to give tips, or advice or anything.. They're continually learning and studying their craft by researching online, in books, through experience and osmosis of other people who are perfecting their craft. Nothing more, and nothing less than that.

So, when it comes to the type of inquiry that you're forming from this thread, to many people here who HAVE learned the ways that I've described and even taken the time to give certain "tricks of the trade" by writing them here for those who are self-sufficient enough to go through the necessary steps to research more in what they find, they would find your inquiry rather disrespectful and even insulting. It's like cutting someone off in their lane while driving, or taking "cuts" in line at the cafeteria or when going onto a rollercoaster at an amusement park; You're trying to cut corners to get the information that people have taken YEARS to get, even for something that doesn't exist as a practical matter.

I know you're asking why that's the case, and again, I, nor anyone else here will teach you that, except to say that you need to go back to the proverbial "drawing board" and self reflect a bit more on what you're trying to do.. When you think you've got it figured out... self-reflect again.

I guess I'm the person kind enough to explain more thoroughly as to why your ventured inquest is... flawed.

I do wish you good luck.. And once you've performed that self-reflection.. come back again with more specific questions based upon your own research.

wunfstgsr

Listen the last thing your gonna get is a formula to make a 1,000+ WHP street driven integra which was where you posted your first post about this car you want to build. You as a individual is the exact reason why #1 no one shall be spoon fed on these forums for hard work takes dedication research and effort. Did you really think we would help you build a machine of such to be driven illegally on the street? Not only illegal but dangerous!

Let's say hypothetically that you get a setup boasting 1k HP on the dyno and you get you tuner to get it somewhat drivable on the street. And you get into a race with a high HP car on the "street" cause you think your integra or civic that has 1000hp shall not ever be beat by any other car because "you" have came to claim the throne, then you loose control and kill yourself and or a inoccent driver on the road cause of you.


No we will never conduct in any such activity.

sr20paisa

if you have the money anything is possible

Geis

Here, I'll give what I think is even more input then some much much much much MUCH more knowledgeable people already have here

I'm not sure exactly sure what your knowledge of turbocharged setups or at least turbo honda setups is, but you should make sure you know the ins and outs of all of it before undergoing such a project, look at the faqs on forced induction, and study for numerous hours online and going through builds and whatnot.
Since it seems you have some experience, start researching some of the highest hp builds you can find for B and sift through every little grain of detail they left behind; obviously start with the parts they have for the motor, and go from there, paying attention to every little detail. You can then from there make some inquiries to such people or others experienced in building these motors if needed, as long as they are educated and you took the time to try to study to figure out the answer yourself beforehand. Do the same with the turbo setup as well as transmission and whatnot, make necessary lists/budgets/plans, set aside the time and money and walla, you have your 1000hp b series.

You will be very hard pushed to do this however, but seriously google this **** and stop pissing on the trash heaps that get dropped here every day by noobies asking stupid question. Even on team integra, which is pretty dead atm, there are at least a few active users still around that have insane hp B setups on their integras, and they're all drag only non streetable cars.

**** it, I'm feeling so generous I'll even give you a link to the highest I've seen :
Luck4rmkc's track build - Video teaser - Team Integra Forums - Team Integra

He's running 877whp, has been though multiple setups with this being the latest and has put an insane amount of time and effort into this car, because this is what he competes with. You're dreams of 1000hp are ridiculous, they may be possible but man good luck trying

ben.s

I do thank everybody for their responses.

My ONLY questions were should I go high comp+lower boost, or vice versa, and how can I strengthen the transmission to hold up.

You guys act like I'm asking how to build the whole damn thing, lol.

But I will continue to research and come back once I have a base... (and it's an integra not a civic.)

- Ben

wantboost

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The dart dry liners are made by Darton and better than any wet sleeve design. Not to mention the way the blocks are cast you physically cannot change the sleeves.

What you're taking about is basically a drag car with a tag, nothing streetable of the sort. Once you break about 600hp there's no hope of traction on any "street" tire. Unless you're doing 60mph+ highway pulls with serious boost by gear, huge brakes and/or a chute.

But even then the point you're missing is that for it to be a casually driven car with that much power is pointless because you'll rarely ever be able to use it and power would only happen over half throttle. So unless you're driving like a jackass 100% of the time it's going to be nothing but a dyno queen.

ben.s

Okay so no sleeves... saves me about a stack or two to send it to Darton (long story, but the machine shops that are willing to install sleeves here, suck).

Hey buddy, it'd be easy to throw different tires on for what I'm using it for.

Anti-lag, or some type of launch control will be a must.

Also, you're saying I can't have multiple tunes with different amounts of boost on each?

You guys really have me looking at this from multiple angles though.... and I primarily mean streetable aka drivable from A to B if wanted to, act like I'm just "need for speeding".

I wanted to do an all motor monster but not too much horses I can get out of a B without slappin on a snail.

king06

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Realistically can you make 1000 hp, yes. After all the motor only makes that much power when its under boost. It can probably be done with stock ports and cams(ITR,CTR). The problem arises with all the supporting mods you have to do. The biggest being a clutch that can handle that much power would be a pain in the *** to drive, something like a tilton or comp triple disk $1500. Tiltons are like $4-5$? Then your looking at a transmission, that's like $8k+, axles are $1800. I would also go with darton sleeves, you can change one at a time and not all if it where to get damaged. Short block is like at least $4k, and that's just the basics, you still need a turbo. I was talking a tuner local to me and he said the cheapest turbo he had put on the car was $3500, but he does make like 1400hp.

So, it all comes down to how much money do you have and how much of that are you willing to spend? Will it be a "street" car, HELL NO, can it be driven on the street sure.

rudebwoy

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Boy oh Boy!
I usually avoid participating in threads like this. But I think OP should do more research on FWD cars.
definitely a pipe dream that is gonna cause a lot of disappointments.
1st of all you are in the US where in hell are you gonna drive a 1000hp street car?
2nd you speak of multiple tunes, well its possible I have a gas tune and ethanol tune.

your problem is the turbo size you will need to make 1000hp, now change the tune lets say 600hp on that turbo? you'll be slower than a stock mustang and by the time the turbo kicks in its another traffic light.

you don't want dog box transmission well well be prepared to break every time you race.

I live in Germany 662whp del sol on autobahn no speed limits except in populated areas, I spin tires in 4th gear, I took my car off the streets after multiple close calls. currently building for 800whp EM1 in a streetable car with plates, but will be a race car on the trailer to the track.
My clear advise is start low then get experience work your way up. start at 400-600hp either way you will be disappointed. you have to understand what you are working with, will just waste money and make your builder and tuner rich.

We've all started somewhere but we did not start from the top like you are trying to do. I've been building and racing Hondas since 1998 I started on Homemade turbo pulling turbos from the junk yard and modifying OEM manifolds to fit my car, from AFC hack to Uberdata I've done it all, I'm sure other guys on here have done the same. technology and market is bigger now so your options are endless.

Geis

If you are going to blatantly ignore what I and others told you, AND not study for yourself why your build is a pipe dream and why it shouldn't be done/what it would take to be done if you really wanted it that bad then all I have to say is **** off

wantboost

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^lol

Rudebwoy basically nailed it. Now do you understand what we mean? You don't see any of the 1000HP+ drag Hondas being driven home from the strip do you? Thought not... There's a reason for that.

A 1000HP "daily driver/street" car is like the rwd equivalent of me saying I'm going to use a Top Fuel Dragster to get groceries... Utterly useless, pointless, and pretty damn dangerous.

AZ_CIVIC

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I am currently sitting at 800whp and can easily push it to 850whp. It may not seem like a lot to jump up from 800whp to 1000whp but it is.

Let me just throw these numbers out real quick to give you just a taste at what it takes to run 850whp let alone 1000whp for more than a few events. We are talking about things done right for longevity

Transmission - Here is the breakdown on my transmission setup.

PPG Gear Set $7,500 - Another $500 to ship it from Australia.
Liberty Billet Bellhousing $2070 bucks after shipping to my house.
SpeedFactory SCHA $450
Mfactory Diff $500
Paying a real professional with experience to make sure it is done right, priceless.

T1 Gforce Shifter Kit $1100
Hasport mounts with solid inserts $500
MAKK Trans Brace $350
DSS Stage 2.9 axles $800 (these are what I use)

So $13,770 just for parts, now I chose this path because if I ever decide to get out of the FIS class and move to FWD I want a setup that will actually last. I also can't drive my car around because most guys at 1000whp level also run 16v setups and have no charging systems. I burn through 5 gallons of gas in 8 to 10 passes. I am sure 1000whp car is even worse.

Running a Dog Box also means a 4 speed, try driving around at 80mph with these trans setups it revs at like 5000 rpms the entire time. I used to drive mine around just for fun here and there and it was no fun. Having to carry extra gas, I hit something on the freeway which ripped a fuel line. However if you have the money no one is stopping you from trying LOL.

LightningTeg

What is the highest horsepower car you have ever built? I am assuming you plan on doing this yourself? Its not a simple cookie cutter everyday build. It takes years and years of experience to properly build and setup a car to work and get bugs out.

The reason you will get hostilities is because your asking to do something that is more or less not possible unless you have VERY large wallet and the resources (people) who know what they are doing to hold your hand. The guys out there making these power numbers are either dyno queens (like bisimoto) who never leave the trailer, have a spic and span engine bay all the time, and put together a motor and occasionally drive it to car shows, or the guys getting it done, in which they have life experience worth of building and racing Honda's and sponsors to help them get it done.

If you want a 1000hp street car buy a GTR. Seriously. Even then, its an insane amount of power.

I've got a few honda buddies out here in the 7-850whp range and they constantly break transmissions. Forget traction or street ability with more than that. The turbo is going to be large and laggy, and the thing with "multiple boost tunes" is the turbos are too large to run minimal boost for traction on the street. Its not that simple.