need help builing a b serious engine
07-03-2015, 12:39 AM
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need help builing a b serious engine
I want to beat my friends srt4 turboed with way more mods
I want to build the perfect build to beat his car and be even faster then it
I want to have turbo off course but I want to know like what mods engine and stuff like that is good I was thinking b20b vtec
For my civic ek97
Currently has a d16
@any suggestions ? Need help
I want to build the perfect build to beat his car and be even faster then it
I want to have turbo off course but I want to know like what mods engine and stuff like that is good I was thinking b20b vtec
For my civic ek97
Currently has a d16
@any suggestions ? Need help
07-03-2015, 09:50 AM
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Re: need help builing a b serious engine
I see this time and time again.
You can builing a serious b engine you only need to do two things right
Strong welds on the intake manifold
locktite on the ******* floor board bolts!!!!!
**** falls off everytime
You can builing a serious b engine you only need to do two things right
Strong welds on the intake manifold
locktite on the ******* floor board bolts!!!!!
**** falls off everytime
07-03-2015, 10:35 AM
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Re: need help builing a b serious engine
1Eagle rods, forged pistons, ACL bearings, main studs, head studs, engine management
2you dont have the money, sell your body at truck stops
3get several stds
4win the race vs your friends srt4
2you dont have the money, sell your body at truck stops
3get several stds
4win the race vs your friends srt4
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07-04-2015, 02:42 PM
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Re: need help builing a b serious engine
Take it easy little buddy.
There are plenty of FAQ's and builds to search through and figure out what you need to do to get how fast want to be.
For example, go check out the SOHC turbo setups thread, and the B18/B20 turbo thread to see what numbers are people are putting down and what they've done to their engines to be able to achieve those numbers.
There are plenty of FAQ's and builds to search through and figure out what you need to do to get how fast want to be.
For example, go check out the SOHC turbo setups thread, and the B18/B20 turbo thread to see what numbers are people are putting down and what they've done to their engines to be able to achieve those numbers.
07-04-2015, 06:37 PM
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07-04-2015, 08:18 PM
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No he really doesn't... Spoon feeding people regarding turbo setups and turbo tech does nothing for the person being spoon fed... After everyone tells them what to do and what they need it results in them having no clue as to why each part is needed, where it needs to go, and why you use certain parts for certain purposes and power goals. If we tell you what to do step by step then you wind up not learning a damn thing.
Read the FAQ at the top of this forum at least twice, probably read it again, then take your car to a reputable shop and have them build it. It's obvious you aren't well versed when it comes to turbocharging. If you buy your own parts and build your own setup while knowing jackshit then you'll ultimately wind up with parts that have no bearing or significance on your build, as well as parts that wouldn't even work properly for your setup. This would result in you spending even more money to replace the bullshit parts you bought with the right ones. The other thing is installing everything and getting it ready for tuning and such. It goes way beyond just bolting **** to other ****, if you **** up even one step installing certain parts it's almost a certainty that it will result in failure, costing you even more money.
If you take it to a proper shop with experience building turbo hondas then you can tell them your budget, what kind of power you want to make, and the purpose of the car then they can order the proper parts, install them correctly, and if they tune in house then it will all run reliably. Granted this assumes that your goals are attainable within your budget, which sounds highly doubtful.
The cost of a quality new turbo kit by itself is no less than roughly 3,000 dollars, that doesn't include mandatory supporting modifications like a clutch (stock clutch won't even begin to withstand the torque increase), fuel system (pump, regulator, injectors, etc), ignition modifications (plugs at least one step colder, quality plug wires, depending on mileage/age there is a new coil, cap, and rotor. Depending on power goals and boost pressures you might need a stronger external coil, ignitor delete, and external ignition box)
Finally there is engine management... (some sort of ecu and software, map sensor, boost control solenoid, etc) A chipped p28 is much more affordable than a standalone and is really all you need for your power goals, granted the older AEM EMS have become affordable. Then there is a map sensor that can read more pressure, the stock map sensor can only read up to 11psi. Typically most use a 3bar map. Plus you need software/hardware to tune a chipped stock ecu. Hondata S300, Neptune, Crome, etc. If you want to raise boost pressures above the spring pressure of the wastegate then you need some type of boost controller. Manual ones are cheap and reliable, not to mention almost impossible to break. Typically whatever ecu/software you decide on can control boost pressures directly using some type of electronic solenoid. This gives you a much wider range of boost control strategies that a manual cannot provide. You can also buy a standalone electronic boost controller but those have been made virtually obsolete thanks to ecu based boost control. Also electronic control systems allow the turbo to spool up faster since they keep the wastegate closed until the preset pressure level is met and it opens to gate to maintain that pressure. Running the base spring pressure or a manual controller will allow the gate to start to start opening before the target pressure is met. This allows exhaust to bypass the turbine wheel causing slower spool.
Then there is the cost of having someone install the kit and supporting modifications.
Again, depending on how complex the turbo setup is and if the shop is building you a motor then labor can easily cost as much as the turbo kit if not more. Tuning a fresh setup is usually no less than 450-500 dollars, it can increase from there depending on the complexity of the setup and if multiple fuels/boost pressures are used.
Take it to a professional... The amount of money you could waste trying to do a complex build as your very first, especially with little to knowledge of the subject matter, is almost limitless but could wind up well beyond what you think it would cost, not to mention you would then have so much money in the car that you could never make it back or break even on your investment regardless of you selling it as a running car or parting out piece by piece.
Know when to say "I don't know what I'm doing" and never be too proud to ask for help
Read the FAQ at the top of this forum at least twice, probably read it again, then take your car to a reputable shop and have them build it. It's obvious you aren't well versed when it comes to turbocharging. If you buy your own parts and build your own setup while knowing jackshit then you'll ultimately wind up with parts that have no bearing or significance on your build, as well as parts that wouldn't even work properly for your setup. This would result in you spending even more money to replace the bullshit parts you bought with the right ones. The other thing is installing everything and getting it ready for tuning and such. It goes way beyond just bolting **** to other ****, if you **** up even one step installing certain parts it's almost a certainty that it will result in failure, costing you even more money.
If you take it to a proper shop with experience building turbo hondas then you can tell them your budget, what kind of power you want to make, and the purpose of the car then they can order the proper parts, install them correctly, and if they tune in house then it will all run reliably. Granted this assumes that your goals are attainable within your budget, which sounds highly doubtful.
The cost of a quality new turbo kit by itself is no less than roughly 3,000 dollars, that doesn't include mandatory supporting modifications like a clutch (stock clutch won't even begin to withstand the torque increase), fuel system (pump, regulator, injectors, etc), ignition modifications (plugs at least one step colder, quality plug wires, depending on mileage/age there is a new coil, cap, and rotor. Depending on power goals and boost pressures you might need a stronger external coil, ignitor delete, and external ignition box)
Finally there is engine management... (some sort of ecu and software, map sensor, boost control solenoid, etc) A chipped p28 is much more affordable than a standalone and is really all you need for your power goals, granted the older AEM EMS have become affordable. Then there is a map sensor that can read more pressure, the stock map sensor can only read up to 11psi. Typically most use a 3bar map. Plus you need software/hardware to tune a chipped stock ecu. Hondata S300, Neptune, Crome, etc. If you want to raise boost pressures above the spring pressure of the wastegate then you need some type of boost controller. Manual ones are cheap and reliable, not to mention almost impossible to break. Typically whatever ecu/software you decide on can control boost pressures directly using some type of electronic solenoid. This gives you a much wider range of boost control strategies that a manual cannot provide. You can also buy a standalone electronic boost controller but those have been made virtually obsolete thanks to ecu based boost control. Also electronic control systems allow the turbo to spool up faster since they keep the wastegate closed until the preset pressure level is met and it opens to gate to maintain that pressure. Running the base spring pressure or a manual controller will allow the gate to start to start opening before the target pressure is met. This allows exhaust to bypass the turbine wheel causing slower spool.
Then there is the cost of having someone install the kit and supporting modifications.
Again, depending on how complex the turbo setup is and if the shop is building you a motor then labor can easily cost as much as the turbo kit if not more. Tuning a fresh setup is usually no less than 450-500 dollars, it can increase from there depending on the complexity of the setup and if multiple fuels/boost pressures are used.
Take it to a professional... The amount of money you could waste trying to do a complex build as your very first, especially with little to knowledge of the subject matter, is almost limitless but could wind up well beyond what you think it would cost, not to mention you would then have so much money in the car that you could never make it back or break even on your investment regardless of you selling it as a running car or parting out piece by piece.
Know when to say "I don't know what I'm doing" and never be too proud to ask for help
07-04-2015, 08:29 PM
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Re: need help builing a b serious engine
Finally some one who can help with something and I was asking to see atlesst the amount of money ill waist and the est parts that are quality I have someone who knows what their doing but I want to make sure of the type of granny head ect that I needed i know a while about Hondas dude trust me I just need a lil help picking parts and finding the price
07-04-2015, 08:45 PM
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Re: need help builing a b serious engine
No he really doesn't... Spoon feeding people regarding turbo setups and turbo tech does nothing for the person being spoon fed... After everyone tells them what to do and what they need it results in them having no clue as to why each part is needed, where it needs to go, and why you use certain parts for certain purposes and power goals. If we tell you what to do step by step then you wind up not learning a damn thing.
Read the FAQ at the top of this forum at least twice, probably read it again, then take your car to a reputable shop and have them build it. It's obvious you aren't well versed when it comes to turbocharging. If you buy your own parts and build your own setup while knowing jackshit then you'll ultimately wind up with parts that have no bearing or significance on your build, as well as parts that wouldn't even work properly for your setup. This would result in you spending even more money to replace the bullshit parts you bought with the right ones. The other thing is installing everything and getting it ready for tuning and such. It goes way beyond just bolting **** to other ****, if you **** up even one step installing certain parts it's almost a certainty that it will result in failure, costing you even more money.
If you take it to a proper shop with experience building turbo hondas then you can tell them your budget, what kind of power you want to make, and the purpose of the car then they can order the proper parts, install them correctly, and if they tune in house then it will all run reliably. Granted this assumes that your goals are attainable within your budget, which sounds highly doubtful.
The cost of a quality new turbo kit by itself is no less than roughly 3,000 dollars, that doesn't include mandatory supporting modifications like a clutch (stock clutch won't even begin to withstand the torque increase), fuel system (pump, regulator, injectors, etc), ignition modifications (plugs at least one step colder, quality plug wires, depending on mileage/age there is a new coil, cap, and rotor. Depending on power goals and boost pressures you might need a stronger external coil, ignitor delete, and external ignition box)
Finally there is engine management... (some sort of ecu and software, map sensor, boost control solenoid, etc) A chipped p28 is much more affordable than a standalone and is really all you need for your power goals, granted the older AEM EMS have become affordable. Then there is a map sensor that can read more pressure, the stock map sensor can only read up to 11psi. Typically most use a 3bar map. Plus you need software/hardware to tune a chipped stock ecu. Hondata S300, Neptune, Crome, etc. If you want to raise boost pressures above the spring pressure of the wastegate then you need some type of boost controller. Manual ones are cheap and reliable, not to mention almost impossible to break. Typically whatever ecu/software you decide on can control boost pressures directly using some type of electronic solenoid. This gives you a much wider range of boost control strategies that a manual cannot provide. You can also buy a standalone electronic boost controller but those have been made virtually obsolete thanks to ecu based boost control. Also electronic control systems allow the turbo to spool up faster since they keep the wastegate closed until the preset pressure level is met and it opens to gate to maintain that pressure. Running the base spring pressure or a manual controller will allow the gate to start to start opening before the target pressure is met. This allows exhaust to bypass the turbine wheel causing slower spool.
Then there is the cost of having someone install the kit and supporting modifications.
Again, depending on how complex the turbo setup is and if the shop is building you a motor then labor can easily cost as much as the turbo kit if not more. Tuning a fresh setup is usually no less than 450-500 dollars, it can increase from there depending on the complexity of the setup and if multiple fuels/boost pressures are used.
Take it to a professional... The amount of money you could waste trying to do a complex build as your very first, especially with little to knowledge of the subject matter, is almost limitless but could wind up well beyond what you think it would cost, not to mention you would then have so much money in the car that you could never make it back or break even on your investment regardless of you selling it as a running car or parting out piece by piece.
Know when to say "I don't know what I'm doing" and never be too proud to ask for help
Read the FAQ at the top of this forum at least twice, probably read it again, then take your car to a reputable shop and have them build it. It's obvious you aren't well versed when it comes to turbocharging. If you buy your own parts and build your own setup while knowing jackshit then you'll ultimately wind up with parts that have no bearing or significance on your build, as well as parts that wouldn't even work properly for your setup. This would result in you spending even more money to replace the bullshit parts you bought with the right ones. The other thing is installing everything and getting it ready for tuning and such. It goes way beyond just bolting **** to other ****, if you **** up even one step installing certain parts it's almost a certainty that it will result in failure, costing you even more money.
If you take it to a proper shop with experience building turbo hondas then you can tell them your budget, what kind of power you want to make, and the purpose of the car then they can order the proper parts, install them correctly, and if they tune in house then it will all run reliably. Granted this assumes that your goals are attainable within your budget, which sounds highly doubtful.
The cost of a quality new turbo kit by itself is no less than roughly 3,000 dollars, that doesn't include mandatory supporting modifications like a clutch (stock clutch won't even begin to withstand the torque increase), fuel system (pump, regulator, injectors, etc), ignition modifications (plugs at least one step colder, quality plug wires, depending on mileage/age there is a new coil, cap, and rotor. Depending on power goals and boost pressures you might need a stronger external coil, ignitor delete, and external ignition box)
Finally there is engine management... (some sort of ecu and software, map sensor, boost control solenoid, etc) A chipped p28 is much more affordable than a standalone and is really all you need for your power goals, granted the older AEM EMS have become affordable. Then there is a map sensor that can read more pressure, the stock map sensor can only read up to 11psi. Typically most use a 3bar map. Plus you need software/hardware to tune a chipped stock ecu. Hondata S300, Neptune, Crome, etc. If you want to raise boost pressures above the spring pressure of the wastegate then you need some type of boost controller. Manual ones are cheap and reliable, not to mention almost impossible to break. Typically whatever ecu/software you decide on can control boost pressures directly using some type of electronic solenoid. This gives you a much wider range of boost control strategies that a manual cannot provide. You can also buy a standalone electronic boost controller but those have been made virtually obsolete thanks to ecu based boost control. Also electronic control systems allow the turbo to spool up faster since they keep the wastegate closed until the preset pressure level is met and it opens to gate to maintain that pressure. Running the base spring pressure or a manual controller will allow the gate to start to start opening before the target pressure is met. This allows exhaust to bypass the turbine wheel causing slower spool.
Then there is the cost of having someone install the kit and supporting modifications.
Again, depending on how complex the turbo setup is and if the shop is building you a motor then labor can easily cost as much as the turbo kit if not more. Tuning a fresh setup is usually no less than 450-500 dollars, it can increase from there depending on the complexity of the setup and if multiple fuels/boost pressures are used.
Take it to a professional... The amount of money you could waste trying to do a complex build as your very first, especially with little to knowledge of the subject matter, is almost limitless but could wind up well beyond what you think it would cost, not to mention you would then have so much money in the car that you could never make it back or break even on your investment regardless of you selling it as a running car or parting out piece by piece.
Know when to say "I don't know what I'm doing" and never be too proud to ask for help
07-04-2015, 10:58 PM
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Re: need help builing a b serious engine
I talk down to you because you are a waste of time. Because once a week, we get some ignorant pissant like you, shitting up our forums, refusing to read anything, and expecting everything handed to you on a silver platter. You show blatant disrespect for the blues, and the other people involved in building and maintaining the FAQ and rules stickies, and these forums as a whole, and then expect people to give a **** enough about you to help you. In case you didn't notice, almost every post in your abortion of a thread is making fun of you. Did you ever stop and wonder why that is? Why your thread, specifically, is ****, when nearly every other thread on this page is people having sensible conversation, helping each other? Because that's what we do to people like you.
In short, since I'm sure long words make your brain hurt, you walked into our house and **** on our rug. No, we won't offer you coffee. Around here, we'll just **** back on you. Right now, you're covered in it.
In short, since I'm sure long words make your brain hurt, you walked into our house and **** on our rug. No, we won't offer you coffee. Around here, we'll just **** back on you. Right now, you're covered in it.
07-04-2015, 10:59 PM
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Re: need help builing a b serious engine
wantboost, you have WAY too much patience, but then again, that is probably why you're an admin.
07-05-2015, 03:34 AM
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Re: need help builing a b serious engine
I don't really post in this section very often, as I'm more a lurker than anything.
However, my best advice to the OP is just read, research, and read more. I knew NOTHING of turbo stuff a year ago, but by just reading the conversations of the more educated people, I've learned a metric **** ton of information. Since then, I built and turbo'ed my first engine. It just came off the dyno last week and I couldn't be more happy. I learned how to do all of this by simply reading the FAQ/Google/and paying attention to what other's post.
Do your own homework.
However, my best advice to the OP is just read, research, and read more. I knew NOTHING of turbo stuff a year ago, but by just reading the conversations of the more educated people, I've learned a metric **** ton of information. Since then, I built and turbo'ed my first engine. It just came off the dyno last week and I couldn't be more happy. I learned how to do all of this by simply reading the FAQ/Google/and paying attention to what other's post.
Do your own homework.
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