My new turbo b16a2 setup barely making 300hp after tune??
#76
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A
Posts: 4,412
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like
on
1 Post
Re: My new turbo b16a2 setup barely making 300hp after tune??
I have made 442whp on id1000cc injectors on straight 91 octane and I maxed then on on e85 at 500whp. ID1000s don't come close to maxing out at 300whp weather your on gas or e85. I would start by rewireing your fuel pump with a relay so it gets the power straight from the battery. Use 10-12 gauge wire for the fuel pump.
#78
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: schooling kids in ny, usa
Posts: 9,813
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes
on
9 Posts
Re: My new turbo b16a2 setup barely making 300hp after tune??
stock hardlines -6 from the filter to the rail. 880s. walbro 255 stock wiring stock fpr. under high load im at 13.8 volts
#83
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Holiday, FL
Posts: 1,456
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: My new turbo b16a2 setup barely making 300hp after tune??
Question OP? Maybe this has been answered and maybe not but what EMS software are you using (your tuner using)?If the same things happening it makes me wonder if he's using Ectune which since its last update is horrible.....
If its happening to another client of his its not the hardware.....either him or a bug
Edit....nvm, seen you have an S300
If its happening to another client of his its not the hardware.....either him or a bug
Edit....nvm, seen you have an S300
#86
Who is Mr Robot?
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: ATL - Where the Pimps and Players dwell
Posts: 21,474
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes
on
10 Posts
Re: My new turbo b16a2 setup barely making 300hp after tune??
Air and coolant temp sensors can affect fuel trims, ignition advance, tip in enrichment, etc and things of that nature. I would get both sensors wired up in addition to fixing/completing any other issues or tasks before any attempt to retune. The more issues you resolve before another tune means one less thing that could be causing the issue.
#87
Honda-Tech Member
Re: My new turbo b16a2 setup barely making 300hp after tune??
Soooo Im assuming he has monitored fuel pressure to see if its dropping or not? If it is, theres really only one cause and its that cheap filter.
#89
Honda-Tech Member
#90
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Baton Rouge,Louisiana
Posts: 7,635
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
Re: My new turbo b16a2 setup barely making 300hp after tune??
What exactly is the issue you're experiencing, have you been able to properly diag it?? I'm a tuner in louisiana, as well.
I would first verify Voltage at the pump and during a pull. A multimeter on the pump while doing a pull to see if the voltage stays regular, if it does not, then there is a voltage drop somewhere..ground or B+
I would then monitor the actual pressure during the pull.. It could be something like your FPR internally leaking and that causes alot of these issues because it'll not hold pressure and the pressure, will drop during a high rpm pull.
Secondly, Are the proper injector offsets used for the battery offset table?.. I know Steve, so i assume that they are.
I report back, if something jumps out i'm going to read the thread.
I would first verify Voltage at the pump and during a pull. A multimeter on the pump while doing a pull to see if the voltage stays regular, if it does not, then there is a voltage drop somewhere..ground or B+
I would then monitor the actual pressure during the pull.. It could be something like your FPR internally leaking and that causes alot of these issues because it'll not hold pressure and the pressure, will drop during a high rpm pull.
Secondly, Are the proper injector offsets used for the battery offset table?.. I know Steve, so i assume that they are.
I report back, if something jumps out i'm going to read the thread.
#92
Who is Mr Robot?
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: ATL - Where the Pimps and Players dwell
Posts: 21,474
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes
on
10 Posts
Re: My new turbo b16a2 setup barely making 300hp after tune??
Yea I would just take it to Derek (DDTECH). If he can't straighten you out then no one can
#94
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Baton Rouge,Louisiana
Posts: 7,635
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
Re: My new turbo b16a2 setup barely making 300hp after tune??
Im in zachary, but ill travel to you. We also have access to a number of dynos around the state. Steve will get you taken care of, but if things go south or you cant figure it out, just holla.
#95
moderator emeritus
Re: My new turbo b16a2 setup barely making 300hp after tune??
you really think a different tuner will fix his "problem"? You know as well as I do that the guys at CNR are more than capable and experienced in tuning and building fast hondas to do a low powered honda.
regardless, if the fuel pressure isn't falling off, the AFR isnt going lean and the engine "sounds" healthy (tuners know the sound), its not possible for 1000cc injectors to be at 100%. The Duty Cycle in these management systems probably aren't all that accurate anyway even with everything setup right in the software.
A b16 makes what? 150-160whp? You added 150whp with 12psi with what looks like a little boost creep. whats the problem with that?
the smartest thing you can do is monitor fuel pressure and make sure it is doing what it is supposed to.
If everything is showing good on your gauges and tests, everything is mechanically happy, throw some more boost at it. If adding more power gets the injectors to a point to where they cant keep up at 350-400whp then you definitely have a problem. You aren;t going to drop a cylinder by testing the "100% mark" a couple times. repeatly overheating the injector will eventually fail but not just making test runs.
regardless, if the fuel pressure isn't falling off, the AFR isnt going lean and the engine "sounds" healthy (tuners know the sound), its not possible for 1000cc injectors to be at 100%. The Duty Cycle in these management systems probably aren't all that accurate anyway even with everything setup right in the software.
A b16 makes what? 150-160whp? You added 150whp with 12psi with what looks like a little boost creep. whats the problem with that?
the smartest thing you can do is monitor fuel pressure and make sure it is doing what it is supposed to.
If everything is showing good on your gauges and tests, everything is mechanically happy, throw some more boost at it. If adding more power gets the injectors to a point to where they cant keep up at 350-400whp then you definitely have a problem. You aren;t going to drop a cylinder by testing the "100% mark" a couple times. repeatly overheating the injector will eventually fail but not just making test runs.
Last edited by 98vtec; 01-24-2015 at 12:08 PM.
#96
Re: My new turbo b16a2 setup barely making 300hp after tune??
I had a similar problem, make sure it's a 255HP as the regular 255 won't hold up to boost fuel pressure. I also had an issue with maxing my 1000ccs at low boost, turned out the FPR was bad and not raising pressure 1:1 with boost. You ARE running manifold pressure to the FPR right...? You should see base plus manifold pressure at the rail under boost through the top end. I figured it out by running my gauge into the cabin with a long *** fuel hose, I'd try the same. One way or the other, I'm running a single Walbro 255HP with a relay, stock lines, stock rail, stock (drilled) regulator, 1000cc injectors, FJO drivers and easily did 450hp. It maxed the fuel delivery before 500hp. It's not your tuners fault if the fuel delivery is maxed with that setup at 300, unless it's running 9:1 under boost :p
#97
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Baton Rouge,Louisiana
Posts: 7,635
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
Re: My new turbo b16a2 setup barely making 300hp after tune??
Nothing has been reported back, so who knows.
I laid out some things to check and dont know the answer to any of them. Fuel pressure drop and voltage drop could all be a cause.
I laid out some things to check and dont know the answer to any of them. Fuel pressure drop and voltage drop could all be a cause.
#99
Who is Mr Robot?
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: ATL - Where the Pimps and Players dwell
Posts: 21,474
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes
on
10 Posts
Re: My new turbo b16a2 setup barely making 300hp after tune??
I always hard wire fuel pumps in any application making power. Eliminates any possibility that the stock wiring could pose a problem and ensures maximum and reliable performance from the pump.
That's something I would have done from the start. The oem wiring was never meant to handle the amperage draw from a larger pump.
That's something I would have done from the start. The oem wiring was never meant to handle the amperage draw from a larger pump.